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MidnightRun85
Dragon Trail. I can't get my Q time under 1:46 which is killing my Q positions. I've watched loads of track guides and tried all the described braking and turning points but constantly find myself running deep into the hairpin at the bottom of the hill and the final hairpin. Can't quite work out why, when I'm nailing the braking points in all the track guides and on the ghost cars... :banghead:

Any hints or tips from my lap below would be much appreciated!

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I think i can really help. My sector 1 is exactly the same as yours and i have run several 45.5's. I have run other laps a few tenths faster in sector 1 but not able to keep the rest of the lap together. I am slow in S2 which suggests you are losing a SOLID half second to me in sector 3. I am useless at the COD but always take it flat, or crash, in qualifying. Apex of final turn is absolutely critical, try a slightly higher line and powering our harder.

Jesus if you do that and take Groundfish advice re. sector 1 you find a full second.
 
barak181
So, I'm having another one of those unexpectedly good weeks in terms of improving my pace.

I'm concentrating on Race B this week and started with the Jag and qualy'd something like 1:47 or just under, between the main and alt. Then I switched to the Atenza after watching @Mistah_MCA abuse the curbs like they owed him money. I got the qualy down to just under 1:46.3xx. I've been around that for most of the week (except for one day when I apparently forgot how to drive and kept on lapping in the 1:47's.)

I jump in the Gr4 Aston today because why not? It's topping the the NA boards right now and the Atenza combo was getting a little stale. There's just something about the G4 Aston and me that just don't mesh. I like the Gr3 just fine but I can't seem to make the Gr4 work for me. I spend an hour or so working to get my lap time down to 1:46.4-ish and run a couple races. (Which were hysterical wreckfests, btw.)

I finally say screw it, I'm not making this Aston work and get back into the Atenza. First practice lap, 1:46.4xx. Second, 1:46.1xx. Third, 1:45.4xx. Fourth, 1:45.5xx. Um, wtf just happened?

I jump in a race, qualy P2 and get mugged by the Mexican Mafia but that's another story. I'm still trying to figure out how I magically took 9 tenths off my qualy time...
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BigSarj
Does anyone else find that doing the actual races helps with the qualifying time? A few days ago, I was struggling to maintain a consistent 1:46.5xx in qualifying and today, after missing the entry cutoff, I decided to try qualifying again and hit 1:45.7 in my first go. I wonder why that is. I don't think the explanation is as simple as just because I have technically done more laps.
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Race B: DTS right? Racing others absolutely helps. Unconsciously, you learned and absorbed info from others. Repeated hotlapping could send you into a rut doing the same things without making a gain. Sometimes, I simply switch cars. Use a ghost. Get rid of the ghost. Intense practice includes mixing it up. A race will do that.

There is another odd thing at play... the scientific word for it is MOJO! On Wednesday night I had MOJO! I pumped out four 1.44.* laps in a row. :) By Thursday morning, the MOJO left. No more 1.44's. :(
 
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Little_Guppy
Race B: DTS right? Racing others absolutely helps. Unconsciously, you learned and absorbed info from others. Repeated hotlapping could send you into a rut doing the same things without making a gain. Sometimes, I simply switch cars. Use a ghost. Get rid of the ghost. Intense practice includes mixing it up. A race will do that.

There is another odd thing at play... the scientific word for it is MOJO! On Wednesday night I had MOJO! I pumped out four 1.44.* laps in a row. :) By Thursday morning, the MOJO left. No more 1.44's. :(
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more often than not i beat my quali time during races but impossible to recreate it in quali :banghead:
 
NevilleNobody
I think i can really help. My sector 1 is exactly the same as yours and i have run several 45.5's. I have run other laps a few tenths faster in sector 1 but not able to keep the rest of the lap together. I am slow in S2 which suggests you are losing a SOLID half second to me in sector 3. I am useless at the COD but always take it flat, or crash, in qualifying. Apex of final turn is absolutely critical, try a slightly higher line and powering our harder.

Jesus if you do that and take Groundfish advice re. sector 1 you find a full second.
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Oh, a second sounds good to me! Yeah, COD is my nemesis for sure. 75% failure rate when I go for it flat, so I think I'll have to work on my consistency!
 
Have had a go at race A this week, I'm rated B/S and it keeps putting me on pole, finding it hard to maintain because you get slip streamed and then bumped at St Marys/Lavant, which means you're in the pack and just get hit by everyone, I've been down to 10th after the first lap in some races.
The other thing I noticed is watching the replay of the No.1 quaifying time is that out of the last chicane the guy is on the grass right up to the pit entrance, no idea how he makes it work, but he's got a lot more speed across start/finish straight than I can get by exiting the chicane properly. How that isn't a penalty for running that far on the grass and clearly not backing off I've no idea.
 
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Groundfish
COD flat is totally overrated vs a little lift on the entry curb then flat going through.
In race you lift anyways.
Lifting mid COD bad. Lifting to shift a little weight to get turned in good.
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I definitely noticed that working on the COD yesterday. A slight lift to line up the entry and you can usually get back full on the throttle before the first curb.

Edit: Oh, yeah. And @RacingGrandpa and @sturk0167's pointer about spotting the entry curb really helped my consistency through there, as well.
 
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Little_Guppy
Race B: DTS right? Racing others absolutely helps. Unconsciously, you learned and absorbed info from others. Repeated hotlapping could send you into a rut doing the same things without making a gain. Sometimes, I simply switch cars. Use a ghost. Get rid of the ghost. Intense practice includes mixing it up. A race will do that.

There is another odd thing at play... the scientific word for it is MOJO! On Wednesday night I had MOJO! I pumped out four 1.44.* laps in a row. :) By Thursday morning, the MOJO left. No more 1.44's. :(
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Race C for me but what you say makes sense. I often qualified high up so a lot of my laps were spent in someone faster's slipstream, which would explain me learning subconsciously.
 
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MidnightRun85
Dragon Trail. I can't get my Q time under 1:46 which is killing my Q positions. I've watched loads of track guides and tried all the described braking and turning points but constantly find myself running deep into the hairpin at the bottom of the hill and the final hairpin. Can't quite work out why, when I'm nailing the braking points in all the track guides and on the ghost cars... :banghead:

Any hints or tips from my lap below would be much appreciated!

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From watching the video & focusing on your 2 requested trouble zones, I'll give you my advice. At both hairpins that you mentioned, the brake markers are not in the correct spot. They are too close to the corner, so you need to brake before those sets of cones. At the bottom of the hill, brake where the black/white section of the rumble strips start. At the final hairpin, brake a few feet before those cones. There isn't anything to act as a good marker. Just brake a few feet before you reach them.

And for anyone asking for advice about the Gr. 2 cars & race this week, I'll upload a replay & post to YouTube as well. I've found that the '16 GT-R does fine going up the hill at turn 1 in 4th gear if you can get the brakes, gear change, & car pointed in the right direction. I know I'm not the fastest there, but some of you B level DR folks might pick up a trick.
 
A weekend, finally! Had a free morning and participated in five races B. Had a great fun and some really close racing, even I raced ok for a change.
Got on pole twice, from P6 and P8.
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Most drivers were pretty clean, but in the last race I ended up in tail and people there were brutal, my "favourite" move I saw these people do is to go into COD side by side. Wanted to address them all in the post race chat but they all left in an instant.

Had a fun little moment in another race where I passed two drivers who had a little bit of contact between them. Happened on the last lap, too, so finished fifth from P7:


I also wanted to ask a question about one incident that happened in the same race. I didn't hold the inside on the hairpin before the COD, so let some drivers through (my mistake clearly). As we reach the entrance of COD I try to move into the line just to end up touching the guy who was following that line just half a car behind me. From my point of view I didn't really noticed him and I had to get into the train. From his point of view I pushed him. Who had the priority? I was first, but he had the inside line. There are both mine and his POV in the video:
 
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Hmmm. I’ve been racing B race and doing well, but...I am getting sooo aggressive if behind someone holding me up.
It’s like the game influences me towards caring less about others...
It’s sort of like you know if you get held up the guys behind will most likely hit you so you really really wanna get by.
Last race a guy was in a Scirroco fairly defending me for 2 laps then he went too deep last turn lap 3 on exit I just drove normally and ran him off the curb...
I’m sorry man.
I will say once again I prefer the Ferrari and I’m a little faster in it but I’m using the Mustang, no one uses a Ferrari even though it’s really fast and the Vantsges and TT see it as an easy target.
The Mustang tcs 3 is running like mid 45 in race but no one dares mess with it. On tcs3 it’s a battleship.

Edit I secured the first true victory I have had in a very very long time.
I pulled off the seamless outbrake on turn 4 early. Brakes are weak in the Vantage.
Surprised I don’t see a few Huracan. It used to be great here...The trend this time is heavy on Vantage TT Atenza
 
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MidnightRun85
Oh, a second sounds good to me! Yeah, COD is my nemesis for sure. 75% failure rate when I go for it flat, so I think I'll have to work on my consistency!
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A 75% failure rate is a reasonable expectation. The payback is the 2 tenths lowering of your QT.

If you manage it once for your best lap then you are pretty much committed to using it in order to make any further gain.

As noted by @Groundfish the flat business is for QT. A tiny lift as you are trying to change direction can minimize time loss.

D_Dragline
Depending on the car, a well timed shift can be critical for navigating the CoD.
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D_Dragline
Yeah, I don’t drive the Viper much, but watching your lap I think a slight short shift as you apex the exit left hander will help you rotate it right without lifting.
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Shift = Lift and allows for a needed change of direction with steering input. When possible turns are a great place to do the shift since a shift loses time so best to do it when that *actually* helps. Kills two birds, so to speak.
 
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GOTMAXPOWER
Down to 5th but with at least one dirty driver ahead...

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Nice of them to see you behind and get out of your way like that. If only I could get other drivers to do the same for me...

cosme
I also wanted to ask a question about one incident that happened in the same race. I didn't hold the inside on the hairpin before the COD, so let some drivers through (my mistake clearly). As we reach the entrance of COD I try to move into the line just to end up touching the guy who was following that line just half a car behind me. From my point of view I didn't really noticed him and I had to get into the train. From his point of view I pushed him. Who had the priority? I was first, but he had the inside line. There are both mine and his POV in the video:
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He should have held back. It was poor from them to try and dive up there. He's then on the outside for the next two corners which is a killzone. He paid for his lack of thought.
 
cosme
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I also wanted to ask a question about one incident that happened in the same race. I didn't hold the inside on the hairpin before the COD, so let some drivers through (my mistake clearly). As we reach the entrance of COD I try to move into the line just to end up touching the guy who was following that line just half a car behind me. From my point of view I didn't really noticed him and I had to get into the train. From his point of view I pushed him. Who had the priority? I was first, but he had the inside line. There are both mine and his POV in the video:
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You were far enough ahead. The other guy had no reasonable expectation to get the spot. Good try on his part but nothing for him to complain about.

When in the outside position and side by side or even a little ahead I concede as the outside spot has more to lose.
 
In the race in big heavy cars (jag and aston) i tap the brake to shift left fast enough then on the beans full before I hit the left kerb.

Surprised more people don't use the jag, it has pace. The aston is a touch faster and more raceable due to the higher top end but it is more sluggish to turn in and shift its weight.
 
Well that’s punted turn 4 lap one and a revenge (twice) shoving him off to a cool six seconds of pens.
Down to A.
Lol I guess I will have to nurse it around the worst track ever made in c race.
Dirty players ruin races. I ruin theirs.
Dunno how this bs is allowed yet when I revenge it stacks penalties on me like bricks on a wall.


Edit I don’t care if it’s a mistake or not. If you clearly are not going to give back the spot you will get big problems coming from me.
I can race clean all day long and will, but I won’t tolerate the idiocy and cheating.
It’s either
A do something about it (revenge)
Or
B let it eat at you and bother you do nothing and cry like a baby
There’s really no other option but doing something if only to preserve mental health if nothing else!
I didn’t get good with the Mustang for nothing!
 
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cosme
A weekend, finally! Had a free morning and participated in five races B. Had a great fun and some really close racing, even I raced ok for a change.
Got on pole twice, from P6 and P8.
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Most drivers were pretty clean, but in the last race I ended up in tail and people there were brutal, my "favourite" move I saw these people do is to go into COD side by side. Wanted to address them all in the post race chat but they all left in an instant.

Had a fun little moment in another race where I passed two drivers who had a little bit of contact between them. Happened on the last lap, too, so finished fifth from P7:


I also wanted to ask a question about one incident that happened in the same race. I didn't hold the inside on the hairpin before the COD, so let some drivers through (my mistake clearly). As we reach the entrance of COD I try to move into the line just to end up touching the guy who was following that line just half a car behind me. From my point of view I didn't really noticed him and I had to get into the train. From his point of view I pushed him. Who had the priority? I was first, but he had the inside line. There are both mine and his POV in the video:
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I would say the blame lies on him for being a bit too ambitious, there was no way he would have followed them through to overtake.

On your part, like you said, you didn't see him, but mostly loss of spatial awareness. Sure he may have appeared on your radar, you could have left him a bit of space.

But just an unfortunate racing incident in my opinion. I can see how he/she would be upset. But nothing dirty there and they also need to learn to concede the position like stated above by @Little_Guppy
 
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The GT-R has definitely been a weapon for me.

I used the C7. Very nice corner entry and mid-corner speed. Nice rotation at the hairpins.

Tried the Viper. The engine doesn't excite me, but it's a smooth performer. Deceptively quick. Again, the engine is muted next to many other Gr.4 cars.

Switched back to the GT-R. Ran another qualy session. Easily .3-.8 a second faster than the FRs I been switching up with. In race, I lost ground to a TT. I even dropped behind a Huracan, to avoided blocking and impeding that car's forward progress.
Re-focused and dispatched that Huracan within 1/3 of the lap. Attacked the TT for the remaining two laps. Nearly set FL and finished 4th on the bumper of the TT.

I see at least two other GT-Rs in my races. It's been a sleeper alternative, at DTS, since the past Race Cs there.
 
First lap I got sideswiped by someone coming back from off track which boxed me in and sent me into another car knocking him off the track and I got a 3 sec penalty... Then on the last lap the same guy I knocked off the track came in to the chicane way too steep and slow and I bumped him... I got the F-Bomb. Sorry dude, you need to take the chicane as shallow as possible and you got in my way. Yeah, I did knock another car off the track... my bad.
 
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fisheye
First lap I got sideswiped by someone coming back from off track which boxed me in and sent me into another car knocking him off the track and I got a 3 sec penalty... Then on the last lap the same guy I knocked off the track came in to the chicane way too steep and slow and I bumped him... I got the F-Bomb. Sorry dude, you need to take the chicane as shallow as possible and you got in my way.
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05XR8
The GT-R has definitely been a weapon for me.
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I think I'm a convert. Managed to improve my Q time by over 3 tenths, which put me third on the grid! Had a great race, even led for a lap! But ended up conceding the win and taking second place by less than 0.2s after a tense but fair battle with a TT. That damn CoD is still my downfall! Clipped the outside wall, which let the TT through, such a pain!
 
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