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I'm very jealous of you guys having the Porsche 804 - I would love to drive that car! Perhaps it's in a special class for licensing reasons?
December Doritos Car Pack Revealed
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I'm very jealous of you guys having the Porsche 804 - I would love to drive that car! Perhaps it's in a special class for licensing reasons?
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In regards to this pack, I will repeat a comment that I saw on the official forums that mirrors my thoughts exactly:
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- SPhilli
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Not the greatest pack ever, but not terrible. I don't know what they're thinking with all these SUV/ off-roaders, but I would really hope they put in a dirt track or expansion to make them useful and fun to actually use.
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- JaCor653
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I think that's stupid. With all of the cars that are level up rewards, the chances of getting this car quickly. Of course we all want it, so why doesn't just gift us all the car like they did the Regalia in FH3? Now we will have to work harder to level up, unless the chances of getting the 911 GT3 RSR are increased.
I don't think this whole system of only including cars as level rewards is very good. What's the point of including some cars in the game if they are nearly impossible to unlock?
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
It's strange how much things have changed in a decade. During the GT4/FM2 years, games were widely advertised with their full car counts on display, but most people understood a solid chunk of them would be locked away behind some sort of progression tactic.
Now, you find some folks up in arms about not having access to (customize) every car in game. It isn't misleading; you can still drive them all as rentals. Which was more than, say, GT4 offered in terms of the Model T. That car was only available as a gold reward for the top license. There was absolutely no other way to get it.
In my opinion, there's only two real issues with the current setup:
As we move more and more into online-focused games, I hope there's a way to still satisfy traditionalists. Even if there's more of a grind involved with earning (insert rare, currently locked car) then there is when it pops up in a Forzathon event you can complete in 15 minutes, offline players should, ideally, be able to access all of the content on their disc/file.
Now, you find some folks up in arms about not having access to (customize) every car in game. It isn't misleading; you can still drive them all as rentals. Which was more than, say, GT4 offered in terms of the Model T. That car was only available as a gold reward for the top license. There was absolutely no other way to get it.
In my opinion, there's only two real issues with the current setup:
- Rental cars can only be run while homologated. If you want to try the car stock, you can't.
- The problem with locking some cars behind unique online progression events is that some folks will never gain access, or that access will be impossible once FM8 is launched.
As we move more and more into online-focused games, I hope there's a way to still satisfy traditionalists. Even if there's more of a grind involved with earning (insert rare, currently locked car) then there is when it pops up in a Forzathon event you can complete in 15 minutes, offline players should, ideally, be able to access all of the content on their disc/file.
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- Turboteg90
You can rent stock cars.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
Since when? Every time I've gone to use a rental (as recently as last night to drive the One-77 for an article image), it's been homologated for its division.
Am I missing an option?
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- Turboteg90
What he said.
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- NewAesthetic
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- GTP_Snorevette
It's a bit of a false equivalency to compare the locked cars in FM7 to the locked cars in GT4 and FM2; in GT4 and FM2, cars were unlocked through specific challenges or as progression rewards, with the exception being the Used Car Dealership(s) which could still be cycled through. In FM7, only a handful of FE cars and several other regular cars can be unlocked through progression alone, and the rest of the locked cars are only available through A. time limited features (i.e. Forzathons, Bounty hunter challenges, Speciality Dealer) or B. skinner box mechanics (i.e. level rewards, loot boxes).
You're right that it probably wouldn't make sense to have every car unlocked from the beginning, but older games at least gave every single player a permanent means of obtaining them no matter how difficult the unlock requirements were. FM7's unlock mechanics are really not much more than anti-consumerism.
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I have to say the Bugatti Type 35 is a pretty entertaining car at stock, if only because of the hellacious engine noise and the way it leans like a battleship under hard cornering. It's a very demanding vehicle like everything else in its division, but not quite as much as the Alfa or Auto Union it seems.
And man, dat no-nonsense engine bay.
And man, dat no-nonsense engine bay.
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- Turboteg90
Now i know what 1927 felt like. Also why is there positive camber in the front wheels?
There doesn’t seem t be much use for the BMW due t its class. Had to get creative to use it in a race. The Bugatti Homologation spoils the look and of course means a manual adjustment to make it legal.
I got the 2017 mid engine Porsche 911 RSR on levelling. I presume this was included in the update.
I got the 2017 mid engine Porsche 911 RSR on levelling. I presume this was included in the update.
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I read something about this yesterday, but from what I gather race teams hadn’t figured out the nuances of tyre performance yet and the importance of wide contact patches.
On a related note positive camber was one way to make the cars steer easier, as power steering wasn’t a thing yet.
Google brought up this too:
As I understand it roads were more steeply curved in cross section back then, so positive camber would have put the wheels more upright relative to the road surface. In the days before independent front suspension a beam axle could be relied on to keep the wheels at a constant camber angle relative to the road. So having positive camber wasn't necessarily such a disadvantage.
For a long-distance road race in the 1900s Mercedes went as far as measuring the crown of the road along the route and set the (positive) camber angles of its cars based on the average curve of the road surface. The idea was that the tyres would be nearly perpendicular to the road surface for as much of the race distance as possible. The Mercedes cars won the race, not necessarily because of the camber settings but probably because of how thoroughly the team prepared.
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We've all been there my friend.
For anyone worrying about how quickly or slowly the Porsche RSR will appear as a leveling up prize, at least in my own experience, you shouldn't have long to wait. I did a nice long 10 laps of the Nordschleife in the BMW 328 and got about five level up prizes. The RSR was the second one. The bonus is I'm pretty sure you don't have to buy the DLC to get the RSR.
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He singlehandedly represents everything that's wrong with the whiners that make up most of Forza's social media community. It's rampant ignorance and selfishness and I applaud T10 for holding their own and not giving them what they want. These kids are not enthusiasts, they're not car people, they just want the flashy brand new supercars that are either vaporware or will end up getting locked in an airtight sealed chamber as investments, they're the kids that will watch every Schmee or M5Power, err, Doug Demuro video and take their drivel for gospel without knowing proper facts or without educating themselves about the cars they see.
Tell me seriously that a Bugatti T35 is not an interesting car (and all the technology that is on it, which must have been completely alien in 1926) and that it doesn't deserve to be in the game and that you'd rather have an already obsolete Chiron instead. Having stuff like the Chiron and Veyron in a Motorsport game is just as stupid as having a bunch of offroad vehicles, neither of them are at home on a racetrack.
Having oddball cars like that in the game is what made Gran Turismo so goddamn good back in the day, because it gave you a chance to take a completely out of place vehicle and race it against a bunch of sports cars or supercars, and it was fun. Imagine GT2-3-4 without the Daihatsu Midget, without a bunch of kei cars, without old muscle cars... that was the spirit of the game, something they've lost and that T10 has more or less picked up and is now carrying the torch. Go ahead, get that Nissan Safari, swap an RB26 in it, give it some race suspension and slicks, and go hunt Ferraris... Who cares if it's not actually a real thing, just go and have fun. That's the whole point of a game, to have fun. Video game people, be it the ones that play or the ones that create them, use the word simulator so much they actually forget it's a game first and foremost.
TL;DR: Shut the **** up Nick from AR12.
Tell me seriously that a Bugatti T35 is not an interesting car (and all the technology that is on it, which must have been completely alien in 1926) and that it doesn't deserve to be in the game and that you'd rather have an already obsolete Chiron instead. Having stuff like the Chiron and Veyron in a Motorsport game is just as stupid as having a bunch of offroad vehicles, neither of them are at home on a racetrack.
Having oddball cars like that in the game is what made Gran Turismo so goddamn good back in the day, because it gave you a chance to take a completely out of place vehicle and race it against a bunch of sports cars or supercars, and it was fun. Imagine GT2-3-4 without the Daihatsu Midget, without a bunch of kei cars, without old muscle cars... that was the spirit of the game, something they've lost and that T10 has more or less picked up and is now carrying the torch. Go ahead, get that Nissan Safari, swap an RB26 in it, give it some race suspension and slicks, and go hunt Ferraris... Who cares if it's not actually a real thing, just go and have fun. That's the whole point of a game, to have fun. Video game people, be it the ones that play or the ones that create them, use the word simulator so much they actually forget it's a game first and foremost.
TL;DR: Shut the **** up Nick from AR12.
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^^Well said sir! I couldn't have worded that better myself. 
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That's the thing though when you give the masses a voice. I'm sure @-Fred- you've seen that working here on GTP. all anybody wants is the new ****. Every time. I remember the Ferrari pack for Assetto Corsa holding the last car to a fan vote, and everybody voted for the latest Ferrari F1 car instead of the infinitely more appealing and interesting options.
You give flighty, and most importantly, bitchy players a voice, and they are going to make themselves heard. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. I do definitely agree with T10 holding steadfast in not listening to them, but you have to wonder, if at some point T10 not listening to them is going to be misconstrued as 'T10 doesn't listen to the community'
You give flighty, and most importantly, bitchy players a voice, and they are going to make themselves heard. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. I do definitely agree with T10 holding steadfast in not listening to them, but you have to wonder, if at some point T10 not listening to them is going to be misconstrued as 'T10 doesn't listen to the community'
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Lmfao.. all I see is reason number 2 that im glad I skipped this game. Sadly i dont think at this time, enough of us did to make a point, so y'all are stuck with what id like to call the 4, 5 and 6 of gt coming out next, next, and next. which really just means, disappointment for all off us fort the next few years.
Don't worry though, the half decent cars will come out as soon as the sub, expires.. hahahahaha.. buy more!!!
Dont worry, I laugh now but I had that same sad face in 6, and FH3.. fool me twice!!!!
Edit: Mr. Fred with ar12.. remember those whiners that want those cars for that race game.. pay their bills that also pay your bills, to review said games.. so please by all means tell us what ww really want in our games we buy, and as well, keep shillin brotha...
Don't worry though, the half decent cars will come out as soon as the sub, expires.. hahahahaha.. buy more!!!
Dont worry, I laugh now but I had that same sad face in 6, and FH3.. fool me twice!!!!
Edit: Mr. Fred with ar12.. remember those whiners that want those cars for that race game.. pay their bills that also pay your bills, to review said games.. so please by all means tell us what ww really want in our games we buy, and as well, keep shillin brotha...
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I did not understand a single sentence in that post, can you English please? Also, me, shilling?
Should have told me before, I'd have asked for a paycheck or something. I'm voicing my opinion, just like Nick is.While I'll be the first to say it's not the best car pack in history, I'd still rather have, redundant Trackhawk aside, every single one of those cars instead of any of the modern hypercars like the Chiron. You might not like or care about them, but 4 of the 7 cars in the pack have historical significance to their makers, or propelled the people that raced them in period to many a great thing, and in some way or other paved the way to the cars they offer today. How many people that actively demand the newest Bugatti even know who Louis Chiron is (let alone are able to pronounce his name correctly)? Why is it not okay to have stuff like the Cayenne and its competitors but we'd absolutely need to have a 1500hp, 260mph car that will not be able to be raced in a suitable division and will ultimately be put against Prototypes and older open-wheelers in the game, thus bringing it at a major disadvantage in competitiveness? Where's the fun in that? Did anyone even try to race the Veyron in game? It has literally no brakes and cannot take corners... If the off-roaders are perfect for the Horizon series, then so are all these overpowered hypercars that are more suited to the open road. They're just filler to keep the kids happy, and so be it. But don't deny me of my classics and oddballs.
Yeah, that's exactly why we got the stupid Lykan as a reward for last month's bounty hunter instead of the much more interesting and much more useful Escort RS1800...
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And yet he's one of Turn 10's favoured "influencers" due to his large audience (side note: links to his site are blacklisted on the official forums). He was even at the Silverstone event that @SlipZtrEm attended.
I work on marketing/promotion for a well-known game and occasionally select people from the community for roles at events (usually commentators for livestreams). When selecting people I look for 2 things:
- Are they professional and knowledgeable enough to do a good job?
- Is this the type of person that we would like our viewers and players to aspire to be?
If somebody is "dumping" on our game and generally being a whiny brat on social media that sets a bad example if we choose to work with them, as we are in effect telling our players that "if you behave like this person you may get to work with us".
It looks like Turn 10 see the view/subscriber numbers he has and base their decision off of that rather than his general demeanour. That tells me that "it's okay to have a brat-like online persona"* as you'll get a ton of followers and opportunities to work with Turn 10** rather than being a more mature individual who puts their best foot forward when presenting themselves online.
*I've never met him so for all I know he's a great guy in person, but I can only go off of what I see in his videos as that is the persona he has chosen to present to the world.
** I have said "Turn 10" a number of times in this post, but that may be incorrect. It could easily be Xbox or Microsoft who is calling the shots but the general point I'm trying to make is the same regardless.
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