Did PD intentionally nerf the G27 to artificially favor the T500?

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Has this been addressed in this topic?

I know that the clutch was disabled for the Indy Time Trial. When I asked Kaz's Interpreter about the functionality of the G27 in GT5 last Wednesday at the GT Awards Party, I was told " The G27 will not be Fully Supported, but the DFGT will". Now what exactly that means is not clear to me. The Paddles did work on the Indy TT as well as the shift lights, for whatever that is worth. I would not be surprised if the clutch was not supported on the G27, but I do not know.

When talking with the highest levels of Polyphony Digital, they did indeed confirm that the fault for the G27 not being fully supported lies with Logitech. Logitech failed to code certain things with the G27 firmware that PD required, so it will only be partially supported. I too have a brand new G27, so I am in the same exact postion as every other G27 owner. I am a huge Logitech fan, but PD said that there were issues that gave the G27 an unfair advantage, whatever that refers to. I am just relaying info that I got from Kaz's interpreter. That's the most accurate and believeable info for me.

All I know about the Firmware issues are directly from the highest levels of Polyphony Digital. When I was asking them at the GT Awards Show about the G27, Taka told me:

" When we tested the G27, it had some functionality in the shifting process that gave it an unfair advantage over other peripherals. You were able to shift the G27 without losing any speed/ power. We repeated worked with Logitech to remedy this, but Logitech refused to alter their Firmware to our standards. Therefore the G27 will not be fully supported in G27"

I too, do not fully understand exactly what this means. I am just giving you the exact words, from Kaz's interpreter. That is the highest level of PD , as far as I am concerned. You cannot get any more direct info than this, in my opinion.

It is unclear to me if the paddle shifters will work or not. I certainly hope so, as I bought a new G27, and have been waiting to use it, like many others. I am hoping that the lack of full support is just having to do with the clutch function.
 
Coxis
Has this been addressed in this topic?

I know that the clutch was disabled for the Indy Time Trial. When I asked Kaz's Interpreter about the functionality of the G27 in GT5 last Wednesday at the GT Awards Party, I was told " The G27 will not be Fully Supported, but the DFGT will". Now what exactly that means is not clear to me. The Paddles did work on the Indy TT as well as the shift lights, for whatever that is worth. I would not be surprised if the clutch was not supported on the G27, but I do not know.

When talking with the highest levels of Polyphony Digital, they did indeed confirm that the fault for the G27 not being fully supported lies with Logitech. Logitech failed to code certain things with the G27 firmware that PD required, so it will only be partially supported. I too have a brand new G27, so I am in the same exact postion as every other G27 owner. I am a huge Logitech fan, but PD said that there were issues that gave the G27 an unfair advantage, whatever that refers to. I am just relaying info that I got from Kaz's interpreter. That's the most accurate and believeable info for me.

All I know about the Firmware issues are directly from the highest levels of Polyphony Digital. When I was asking them at the GT Awards Show about the G27, Taka told me:

" When we tested the G27, it had some functionality in the shifting process that gave it an unfair advantage over other peripherals. You were able to shift the G27 without losing any speed/ power. We repeated worked with Logitech to remedy this, but Logitech refused to alter their Firmware to our standards. Therefore the G27 will not be fully supported in G27"

I too, do not fully understand exactly what this means. I am just giving you the exact words, from Kaz's interpreter. That is the highest level of PD , as far as I am concerned. You cannot get any more direct info than this, in my opinion.

It is unclear to me if the paddle shifters will work or not. I certainly hope so, as I bought a new G27, and have been waiting to use it, like many others. I am hoping that the lack of full support is just having to do with the clutch function.
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Just because Kaz is the executive producer doesn't mean that he won't point the finger at someone else while said finger pointing is pure bull.

The G27 works with many games already. The clutch and H-shifter SHOULD give an advantage on cars with an H-shifter IRL anyways.
How many H-shifter cars in GT5 shift like they have paddles when using paddles? All of them.

I can't even drift properly because even when my wheels are spinning, the stupid game decides "HEY! you're going into Neutral!"

Even Kaz blaming Logitech makes me want to support the GT franchise even less. If it's obvious that other games can use my wheel, then find out what those games do to support the wheel. . .
 
I'm one of those ******re dumb people and I say it's about money. Logitech updated the G25 to the G27 about two years ago no? Isn't that around when GT5 was scheduled for release? Accuratelty predicting a muli-playinum release via web hype and previous sales we arrive at a bargaining table where subcontractors elbow for position. Probably 3 years ago the GT5 team agreed to a contract where they become part of R&D, a license agreement where they could approve final product from thighmaster who typically make crappy wheels that noone serious really likes. Now Kaz wants the worlds greatest wheel and thighmaster wants money so 3 years of closed door research and probably 100 prototypes later you releas a thighmaster all be ot late, just like everything else. Logitech backs out, gets the G27 which is a fine work of art and releases in time for dirt 2. PD give a nod to their former and possibly future partner and makes sure the G27 does work, but you don't hand logitech keys to the Benz and slam the zipper on the little guy. You nerf it as insinuated and do ur best to sell this freaking overpriced and no doubt overly-hyped thighmaster.
 
Just browsing the question and answer thread and come across this.
Apparently since the last update the dial on the DFGT is no longer functioning.

I know this isn't the thread but I'm not starting a PD nerf official wheels too lol.

Anyone checking this thread who own a DFGT can confirm.
Thanks.
 
Spagetti69
Just browsing the question and answer thread and come across this.
Apparently since the last update the dial on the DFGT is no longer functioning.

I know this isn't the thread but I'm not starting a PD nerf official wheels too lol.

Anyone checking this thread who own a DFGT can confirm.
Thanks.
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............They didn't nerf it, they fixed it. So now people can't cheat drivers aid when races are set up to restrict them.
 
I do find it strange that the G27 works with EVERY OTHER game/sim out there with no issues EXCEPT GT5.

Did PD nerf it? Maybe, Maybe not, but it sure reeks of such.

It stinks bad enough for me to distrust PD, and really makes me wonder how ethical of a company they are.

If Logitech and PD are in a pissing contest, so be it......but it shouldn't be the customers getting caught in the crossfire.
 
It's called contractual obligations. Thrustmaster had a better deal than Logitech did when it came down to the wheels that will be supported. Being that the T500rs is now the official wheel of GT5, they've signed an exclusive contract and licensing agreement for the T500rs wheel to use the logos and naming rights. This happens all the time at racetracks, buildings, arenas and the like. It's just business.

Thrustmaster shares some of the hardware information with PD, and PD shares some information with Thrustmaster. This is how the wheel can be completely compatible.
 
Coxis
" When we tested the G27, it had some functionality in the shifting process that gave it an unfair advantage over other peripherals. You were able to shift the G27 without losing any speed/ power. We repeated worked with Logitech to remedy this, but Logitech refused to alter their Firmware to our standards. Therefore the G27 will not be fully supported in G27"
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I think we have a winner.

And yes, my DFGT's TCS is disabled in races, so far all races not just the GT Academy.
I can adjust brake bias and ABS only.
Some settings are not applicable for the car.
 
Read the message in the game about January 5th and wheel support.


Yes the dial works, it's just some of the settings are disabled.
Unfortunately it's in all races I have tried so far.
I am only upset when I find out I forgot to turn the TCS off and started the race.
I either have to run with TCS on or back out to the appropriate menu and switch it off.
 
Rocket Punch
............They didn't nerf it, they fixed it. So now people can't cheat drivers aid when races are set up to restrict them.
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That would be hoster prior not pd, ok it's their game, but it's meant to be played for us and with our feedback, like all other games.
 
scir16v
It's called contractual obligations. Thrustmaster had a better deal than Logitech did when it came down to the wheels that will be supported. Being that the T500rs is now the official wheel of GT5, they've signed an exclusive contract and licensing agreement for the T500rs wheel to use the logos and naming rights. This happens all the time at racetracks, buildings, arenas and the like. It's just business.

Thrustmaster shares some of the hardware information with PD, and PD shares some information with Thrustmaster. This is how the wheel can be completely compatible.
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absolutely business funny part is thrustmaster was probably hoping for simultaneous release but sony overpowered PD contract w/ t_master and forced pre-xmas release. how else could they have a 600 megabytes update within weeks of release. Man, kinda feel bad for t-master, they got the shaft.
 
This thread is a bit doom and gloom, the wheel works fine with the game, albiet with a few minor things missing. PD are making a bit of a mistake to assume people would be willing to spend £450 on a wheel when a lot of people would not fork out for the G27 which is half the price. The Thrustmaster looks good but its far too expensive for a wheel aimed at the console market.


Edit : On another point, im pretty sure i don't lose speed when im gearing without the clutch either, and it is something that PD could do to the game rather than Logitech to the wheel, an example is when users make mods for Rfactor, they often have 3-4 different transmission models for different types of controllers and/or the skill level of players. The clutch with the G27 in GT5 is horrible and i would be amazed if anybody can gain speed using that when the game has autoblip built in and instant gear changes with flappy paddles or L2/R2 buttons.
 
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Noctophobia
That would be hoster prior not pd, ok it's their game, but it's meant to be played for us and with our feedback, like all other games.
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Agree, thats why they fixed it according to the "feedback" from non cheaters with DFGT. You can play YOUR game however you like when you are not online 👍
 
Coxis
" When we tested the G27, it had some functionality in the shifting process that gave it an unfair advantage over other peripherals. You were able to shift the G27 without losing any speed/ power. We repeated worked with Logitech to remedy this, but Logitech refused to alter their Firmware to our standards. Therefore the G27 will not be fully supported in G27"
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That's a pretty stupid thing to quibble over considering how poorly a lot of transmissions in the game are modeled.
 
I dunno, how many people out there have older or no wheel and if both products were side by side and both were known to be finish product worked excellent and 100% compatible... makes ur mouth water and brain starts planning the next generation garage cockpit built around ur superduper debtwheel.

But I got my G27 alredy and they made the basic functions plus clutch and pretty LED's works so meeeah, still playing.
 
Rocket Punch
Agree, thats why they fixed it according to the "feedback" from non cheaters with DFGT. You can play YOUR game however you like when you are not online 👍
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Can they cheat with a DFGT?
 
Spagetti69
Can they cheat with a DFGT?
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Before the patch, yes.

PD "forgot" to link the DFGT's jog dial to the game's assist restrictions setting, so before the patch you can use it to bypass any assist restrictions set in the game.
 
Rocket Punch
Agree, thats why they fixed it according to the "feedback" from non cheaters with DFGT. You can play YOUR game however you like when you are not online 👍
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Not according to my findings.
Online or offline = no difference.

I would like to know how others are cheating with the DFGT.

You could adjust those same settings before if you mapped the DFP.
 
Rocket Punch
Before the patch, yes.

PD "forgot" to link the DFGT's jog dial to the game's assist restrictions setting, so before the patch you can use it to bypass any assist restrictions set in the game.
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Ah I see, makes sense why set restrictions if people can over ride them.

I honestly don't race faster with my H shifter and clutch. Every 30th gear change usually end up with a neutral anyhow.

Be nice to have a drag strip to prove this point.
 
Devedander
I ask then, how do you explain the fact that buttons that worked in GT5P don't work in GT5 consider the G27's chipset and usb identifiers have not changed at all?
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Different code between GT5P and GT5, either accidentally or incidentally. They have may have known it would break the G27 but doesn't mean they deliberately nerfed it specifically to disable... they just weren't willing to expend the resources to do compatibility testing / fixing yet.
 
Toronado
That's a pretty stupid thing to quibble over considering how poorly a lot of transmissions in the game are modeled.
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There is no flipping way that's true. The G27 output is what it is, theres no software glitch! Mapping buttons is so easy for a gaming giant like PD. Logitech holds the market, solidly because their stuff is known to work and last, across the board. I got a logitech mouse at work that I have worn through the paint in 5 yrs. of full time cad and put through the ringer but it's like my favorite tool in the shed and it still works flawlessly and has outlasted 2 computers.

It's hard to sell a $600 product when for half price you get the current standard so I think there's a strategy behind the nerf.
 
Even with PD crippling the G27, do they really expect people to double their efforts and pay $600 for this thing?
 
Bigbazz
The clutch with the G27 in GT5 is horrible and i would be amazed if anybody can gain speed using that when the game has autoblip built in and instant gear changes with flappy paddles or L2/R2 buttons.
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I bought G27 solely for leather coating of the wheel and almost silent operation. I can't stand rubber on my old DF Pro and DF GT is the same.

I´m using clutch and shifter just for feel when I'm driving some old car. When I want to be fast I'm using paddles. So I totally agree with you.
 
Thanks for the compliment.

Many say that commercial is great and I agree.
I just love the laugh!
 

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