DLC are too expensive ?

[ch3ng]

Well it is true what he said, in general that is.

That's why Lamborghini can still keep selling cars with six figure price tags.

When a simple Scion can them from point a to point b.

DLC are not rare or exclusiv products. You can't compare them. And they aren't a luxury or prestige product.

 

[Slash]

People on iRacing are willing to pay $100 for Nurburgring. Yes, one hundred US dollars.

Not to go off topic too far, but its about conditioning. Our gas was $1.80 when Obama took office. It went up to over $4.50 and has come down to over $3.50 despite oil being $80. People stopped caring about the price of gas. Those people have become conditioned and don't notice we are being screwed.

Yup...We were in outrage when it hit $2 I remember.

 

[sumbrownkid]

DLC are not rare or exclusiv products. You can't compare them.

That's why I said in general...It doesn't really apply in DLC, but PD has to be on something good to charge $500.

 

[Raitziger]

I think PD should try to make players feel they get more with DLC. They could sell much more for less and make same amount of money. Also quality of cars, I mean most DLC should be iconic sports cars. The game with so many cars already, car DLC has to be very good for most players to put money to it.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I think PD should try to make players feel they get more with DLC. They could sell much more for less and make same amount of money. Also quality of cars, I mean most DLC should be iconic sports cars. The game with so many cars already, car DLC has to be very good for most players to put money to it.

Same, I have a feeling another dlc containing run of the mill cars won't go very well.

Come on PD, give us some new Lambos already.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

I think PD should try to make players feel they get more with DLC. They could sell much more for less and make same amount of money. Also quality of cars, I mean most DLC should be iconic sports cars. The game with so many cars already, car DLC has to be very good for most players to put money to it.

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Paying for a VW Golf or a freaking Mini just adds to car count in Realville. Nothing special about cars like that at all.

 

[ChoShoTamashi]

You would pay 500$ for a DLC?

Since you're talking in "theory", I'll answer back in "theory" as well. Sure, I would pay $500 for DLC if I had a trillion dollars the bank. The amount of satisfaction I gain from the DLC is more than the satisfaction I have with $500 when I have that much money. That $500 would be pocket change in my perspective.

Thankfully, GT5 DLC is just $5-$10 in this world, and that is pocket change in alot of places nowadays. It can hardly get you a meal or two now...

Moving on, I totally agree that PD should focus more on track DLCs than car DLCs if they are trying to persuade more people to buy in. New cars don't mean much if you don't have enough tracks to drive them around in.

 

[Downhill Dino]

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Paying for a VW Golf or a freaking Mini just adds to car count in Realville. Nothing special about cars like that at all.

They're special to some. To me they were my favorite cars out of all the DLC.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

As for those who say that the DLC isn't worth the price, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. Just remember that no matter how many times you voice out your opinion, PD/Sony isn't going to change their pricing strategy to your liking. So why not put that effort into making/saving those couple dollars instead?

The way I see it, nothing is too expensive or not worth the price if you have the money to pay for it.

That's an odd line of reasoning, Chunky: since apparently no amount of customer complaints could ever change the pricing strategy, your suggestion is that those people who are unhappy with the price of the DLC just pay for it anyways?

I haven't bought the Motegi DLC, and I'm not sure I ever will. I do enjoy the track, at least a little bit (there's a good eight other GT4 ports I'd rather have), but the price for me is too high for what it is, comparing it to similar things. Not McChickens, not a beer or two, but to other DLC. Spa was cheaper, and while it doesn't have the different layouts, it also needed to be modelled from scratch, and PD wisely included the weather option (though no time of day alterations). I shouldn't have to pay for what's essentially a port, and I have to wonder why it would even take this long to come around anyways. I'm sure they had to acquire the license for the track again, and I accept that, but a) I doubt it's very much, and b) it surely could've been covered much earlier.

I completely get why some people snapped up Motegi as soon as it was available. To them, it was worth it, and as that's an opinion, I can't tell them they're wrong. But for me, for what I'd be getting, I'd rather put my money (which I'll give the loose term of "video game funds", as a percentage of my average pay ) elsewhere. The lateness of Motegi arriving, the lack of new features, and the likely amount of use I'll get out of it means it's just not for me right now.

 

[monkeyfoeva21]

Even though I'm repeating what many have said, It's how you value the track. Personally I enjoy Motegi and have found it worth it. Other people may get it and never use it, making it not worth it. I don't think $5 is bad for a track I like. People also need to stop comparing this game to GT4. Yes, the track came almost completely from GT4, but if you think that is better go play GT4 for all I care. This is GT5. I'm happy to see any new track, especially one that I know I will enjoy, and that is what makes it worth it to me. We are all pondering a universal answer here, but there is none. It's simple how much you value the track; and how much you will use it.

 

[IRONBULL]

Motegi is the first copy and paste track GT5 has sold that is not worth the five bux they ask for it.

Having said that, we can't complain about pricing for DLC we're not getting in the first place.

Like I said before if I have to wait till late summer/early fall/winter for DLC, as a consumer I'll be trading GT5 for a non-simulator off-pudding game like driver San Fran or something just to get the gaming car fix and get back to reality.

 

[ChoShoTamashi]

That's an odd line of reasoning, Chunky: since apparently no amount of customer complaints could ever change the pricing strategy, your suggestion is that those people who are unhappy with the price of the DLC just pay for it anyways?

I haven't bought the Motegi DLC, and I'm not sure I ever will. I do enjoy the track, at least a little bit (there's a good eight other GT4 ports I'd rather have), but the price for me is too high for what it is, comparing it to similar things. Not McChickens, not a beer or two, but to other DLC. Spa was cheaper, and while it doesn't have the different layouts, it also needed to be modelled from scratch, and PD wisely included the weather option (though no time of day alterations). I shouldn't have to pay for what's essentially a port, and I have to wonder why it would even take this long to come around anyways. I'm sure they had to acquire the license for the track again, and I accept that, but a) I doubt it's very much, and b) it surely could've been covered much earlier.

I completely get why some people snapped up Motegi as soon as it was available. To them, it was worth it, and as that's an opinion, I can't tell them they're wrong. But for me, for what I'd be getting, I'd rather put my money (which I'll give the loose term of "video game funds", as a percentage of my average pay ) elsewhere. The lateness of Motegi arriving, the lack of new features, and the likely amount of use I'll get out of it means it's just not for me right now.

My suggestion isn't that people should just stay quiet, suck it up and pay for DLC no matter what. What I would like to suggest is that instead of focusing on things we can't change (PD/Sony's current pricing or DLC content choice), why not focus on doing something that we have control over, which is saving a couple bucks here and there. Whether you buy it or not after you save up those couple dollars is up to you, since everyone values utility differently.

People are free to voice out their opinion all they want, but things don't change just by talking. Some action has to happen to make a change. If you can't change the rules of the game, change your play style and mindset and adapt to the game.

 

[Bluntified]

I see people here are still trying to justify not paying for the track lol. PEOPLE, you either buy it or not! Why do you have to explain yourself to anyone, it's your own money, do what you want with it. You want McDonalds (seeing a lot of people comparing to this) rather than DLC, fine. You want DLC rather than it, fine. Do what you want!

I bought it, but I could care less if the next guy bought it. As long as 16 people in the world bought it, I'm happy (too fill a room )

 

[Samus]

The thing is, we COULD change the pricing through both feedback and voting with our wallets. It's hardly unheard of for companies to change the features or price of an item after listening to customer feedback (or backlash, if you like).

In fact, you can't get any more direct a comparison and example that it can happen than this:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/1066211.aspx

Call it moaning, call it whining, they listened and lowered the price.

PS please don't swing this into another Vs thread, just using it as an example that prices can be changed and that, as I say, was the most direct comparative product you can get.

 

[Bluntified]

The thing is, we COULD change the pricing through both feedback and voting with our wallets. It's hardly unheard of for companies to change the features or price of an item after listening to customer feedback (or backlash, if you like).

In fact, you can't get any more direct a comparison and example that it can happen than this:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/1066211.aspx

Call it moaning, call it whining, they listened and lowered the price.

PS please don't swing this into another Vs thread, just using it as an example that prices can be changed and that, as I say, was the most direct comparative product you can get.

Very good point. I'd recommend boycotting but I highly doubt people would do that. I'd say it's a bout 50/50 when it comes to people with indispensable cash to those who don't, so the numbers would be a little too close to make a judgement.

One thing though (as per your consumer feedback comment), rather than having just thread like this, a poll as well would serve much better. No one wants to hear complaining but would look at numbers, like a petition.

 

[Samus]

I'm not going to tell people what to do, if people want to buy it I'm not going to tell them not to. I'm simply telling all those who say that posting negative comments doesn't help and we can't change these things, it does and something could be done. It might not be, but it could be.

 

[ChoShoTamashi]

The thing is, we COULD change the pricing through both feedback and voting with our wallets. It's hardly unheard of for companies to change the features or price of an item after listening to customer feedback (or backlash, if you like).

In fact, you can't get any more direct a comparison and example that it can happen than this:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/1066211.aspx

Call it moaning, call it whining, they listened and lowered the price.

PS please don't swing this into another Vs thread, just using it as an example that prices can be changed and that, as I say, was the most direct comparative product you can get.

I see where you're coming at, but this thread just shows overpricing ($7.50) then reducing the product back to a more reasonable price point ($5.00), giving the customers a false sense that it's suddenly cheaper. But in reality it's not. I certainly hope PD does not go down this route either by overcharging and supposedly giving a discount.

By the way, not sure if you've noticed, but PD is charging what Forza did after the discount for Motegi in the US. Whether the quality is the same...well that's up to personal preference.

 

[Samus]

I see where you're coming at, but this thread just shows overpricing ($7.50) then reducing the product back to a more reasonable price point ($5.00), giving the customers a false sense that it's suddenly cheaper. But in reality it's not. I certainly hope PD does not go down this route either by overcharging and supposedly giving a discount.

I'm not sure what you mean here? Whether an item is overpriced is up to the consumers, in that case many of them thought it was overpriced and brought it down. In this case (GT5) some also think it's overpriced, despite being the same as it cost in FM2 after the reduction. More on that below...

By the way, not sure if you've noticed, but PD is charging what Forza did after the discount for Motegi in the US. Whether the quality is the same...well that's up to personal preference.

I assumed someone would mention this and it's a totally valid point, the same track contents were DLC in Forza at the same price as GT5, $5. The difference (and personally I do think it makes a difference) is that the track in Forza 2 was brand new to the series, in GT5 it is not. Therefore it stands to reason that the costs/dev time PD took to put the track in GT5 was a lot less than it was for T10 to put it into Forza 2, espcially evidenced by the apparent upscale job they seem to have carried out.

I don't want to speak for anyone but myself here, but I think that is the main reason people have an issue with the track price.

 

[ChoShoTamashi]

Very good point. I'd recommend boycotting but I highly doubt people would do that. I'd say it's a bout 50/50 when it comes to people with indispensable cash to those who don't, so the numbers would be a little too close to make a judgement.

One thing though (as per your consumer feedback comment), rather than having just thread like this, a poll as well would serve much better. No one wants to hear complaining but would look at numbers, like a petition.

I'm not sure what you mean here? Whether an item is overpriced is up to the consumers, in that case many of them thought it was overpriced and brought it down. In this case some also think it's overpriced. More below...



I assumed someone would mention this and it's a totally valid point, the same track contents were DLC in Forza at the same price as GT5, $5. The difference (and personally I do think it makes a difference) is that the track in Forza 2 was brand new to the series, in GT5 it is not. Therefore it stands to reason that the costs/dev time PD took to put the track in GT5 was a lot less than it was for T10 to put it into Forza 2, espcially evidenced by the apparent upscale job they seem to have carried out.

I don't want to speak for anyone but myself here, but I think that is the main reason people have an issue with the track price.

I worded myself badly back in the previous post. But what I meant is that some sellers intentionally overprice a product then push it back down to its original price point and say they are giving a discount to the buyers. This is used to make your buyers feel like they are getting a deal. Whether Forza employed this trick for their Motegi pricing, only T10 knows.

As for finding worth...who knows, upscaling PS2 tracks certainly isn't the same amount as work as recreating a new tracks, but how do we know how hard upscaling is to justify the cost? XBox and PS3...2 different platforms altogether.

 

[BlisteredHand]

DLC is about to get cheaper, thanks to EU law.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=258081

 

[ch3ng]

The thing is, we COULD change the pricing through both feedback and voting with our wallets. It's hardly unheard of for companies to change the features or price of an item after listening to customer feedback (or backlash, if you like).

In fact, you can't get any more direct a comparison and example that it can happen than this:

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/1066211.aspx

Call it moaning, call it whining, they listened and lowered the price.

PS please don't swing this into another Vs thread, just using it as an example that prices can be changed and that, as I say, was the most direct comparative product you can get.

Very good point. Very good.

DLC is about to get cheaper, thanks to EU law.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=258081

Great law. But that doesn't makes digital content cheaper.

 

[dylpro]

Do you guys have all the tracks and car packs ? Maybe I'm too cheap, or because I'm 17 and won't use my parents credit car for useless use..

Just throwing it out there, I mean, if you're 17, 18 is often considered adult hood, maybe it's time to get a job, and use your money?

Anyways, I don't think it's bad. 5 bucks for 4 courses. 1.25 a course? So what. That's nothing. Not to mention we also got the Scion for free as well. I wouldn't even mind paying 10 bucks for a DLC like the first one, except with actual cars and not TCs.

I mean 5 bucks is nothing. I could dig in my couch cushions and get that much in quarters.

 

[BlisteredHand]

Great law. But that doesn't makes digital content cheaper.

It makes it cheaper from an hour after release onwards when people realise they don't want or need it, or a bit longer when people have played through it to completion. This would work best for campaign type games more when a goal is finished and then player just wants to sell and move on, which for some players they complete whole games in a day or 2.
Lending/swapping would also make thing cheaper.

 

[7Sins]

Yes it is expensive but don't expect companies to work for free. They are providing ongoing support/products regardless if it should have been included from day 1. It's software mate, it will always change.

 

[BlisteredHand]

Yes it is expensive but don't expect companies to work for free.

How come we get PSN for free then?
That is an ongoing online service that must cost a fortune to operate and maintain that we pay nothing for, "directly".
And that is the key, DLC should be free to play for us. The company still gets paid to do it obviously but the money comes from different paths.

All approved first party and third party DLC could be paid for by Sony. Just to keep us using the playstation. That is why they provide PSN free, so we actually use it and continue to enjoy it. Which leads to retail sales of full games which Sony always takes a cut of.
So maybe we should be saying who cares if DLC is expensive or cheap as long as we don't pay for it and Sony does....

Would you buy more games in 2013 if you knew ALL of them would have DLC and ALL the DLC would be free to download and play.......

I would.
More of my cash would leave my account and go to Sony in 2013 than it would in 2012, with the 2 different scenarios. But maybe I think differently about value.

 

[Bluntified]

How come we get PSN for free then?
That is an ongoing online service that must cost a fortune to operate and maintain that we pay nothing for, "directly".
And that is the key, DLC should be free to play for us. The company still gets paid to do it obviously but the money comes from different paths.

All approved first party and third party DLC could be paid for by Sony. Just to keep us using the playstation. That is why they provide PSN free, so we actually use it and continue to enjoy it. Which leads to retail sales of full games which Sony always takes a cut of.
So maybe we should be saying who cares if DLC is expensive or cheap as long as we don't pay for it and Sony does....

Would you buy more games in 2013 if you knew ALL of them would have DLC and ALL the DLC would be free to download and play.......

I would.
More of my cash would leave my account and go to Sony in 2013 than it would in 2012, with the 2 different scenarios. But maybe I think differently about value.

PSN works Peer-to-peer, meaning it uses all of our own bandwidth and resources. It only uses their servers for to pair users. This is why it's free, very little server usage and maintenance.

As for the rest, Sony will never pay for DLC for its consumers! Have you just found out about them (Sony)? They'll charge for anything and I'm pretty sure they are the ones responsible for the charges for DLC.

 

[obsessive rules]

Yo dawg I heard you complaining about the dlc so I put you in a thread full of other people complaining about the dlc so you can complain to people who are complaining.

 

[kieran177]

Yo dawg I heard you complaining about the dlc so I put you in a thread full of other people complaining about the dlc so you can complain to people who are complaining.

Lolol

 

[thelvynau]

Yo dawg I heard you complaining about the dlc so I put you in a thread full of other people complaining about the dlc so you can complain to people who are complaining.

Oh dear lord.

 

[blue cat]

For the price of Motegi alone i could have bought a months subscription to iRacing