DLC is ruining content of games

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You use Forza to much as an example. Use Ridge Racer [Vita Version] to proof your Point.

I wanted to show you that Turn10,PD have both their ways to earn more money. So non of them is better or worse in terms of financial things.



We dont know. But what we know is that PD will include those cars in GT6. They just decrease the quality to fit it in the ps3.

The Consumer will Pay the Car twice.
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This isn't about earning money, I would think the companies are pretty well off. I don't know what Ride Racer is nor do I care. This is about companies abusing their fan base and polluting their minds in thinking that they more and more DLC. You honestly haven't been playing games for over 15 years like some people that posted earlier in this thread. Back in the day, you went to go get the game you wanted you got a full product, none of this nickel and dime that goes on now these days.
 
Abusing their fan base, are you serious?

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xNeroZero
This isn't about earning money, I would think the companies are pretty well off. I don't know what Ride Racer is nor do I care. This is about companies abusing their fan base and polluting their minds in thinking that they more and more DLC. You honestly haven't been playing games for over 15 years like some people that posted earlier in this thread. Back in the day, you went to go get the game you wanted you got a full product, none of this nickel and dime that goes on now these days.
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If you don't want your mind polluted, you don't have to play.

It seems this debate dwindled into pointless ego-driven comparisons. Lock away.
 
McClarenDesign
If you don't want your mind polluted, you don't have to play.

It seems this debate dwindled into pointless ego-driven comparisons. Lock away.
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Tell me the last time you played a story game or a game like GT5 that didn't have DLC?
 
xNeroZero
This isn't about earning money, I would think the companies are pretty well off. I don't know what Ride Racer is nor do I care. This is about companies abusing their fan base and polluting their minds in thinking that they more and more DLC. You honestly haven't been playing games for over 15 years like some people that posted earlier in this thread. Back in the day, you went to go get the game you wanted you got a full product, none of this nickel and dime that goes on now these days.
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Oh for the love of Oprah...

We showed you that this has been going on for years, Starfox 64, Age of Empires, Duke 3d just to name a few.

It's just been sold as expansions from shops.

And judging by the way you don't know Ridge Racer, I'm guessing you think a PS1 is an antique.
 
evilserpentman
Oh for the love of Oprah...

We showed you that this has been going on for years, Starfox 64, Age of Empires, Duke 3d just to name a few.

It's just been sold as expansions from shops.

And judging by the way you don't know Ridge Racer, I'm guessing you think a PS1 is an antique.
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Did those expansion packs cut out story? I wouldn't know, I was playing the MGS series, GTA, FF, Max Payne and other single player games on my PS1 and PS2. I didn't even own a computer until 2002. I have yet to play a game on the computer.
 
McClarenDesign
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It had expansions, but weren't necissary to enjoy or beat the game.
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What happens if I wanted to know what happens with the two characters in those DLC that Niko meets in his story? Why not include it in the game?
 
evilserpentman
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There is no sense is trying to talk sense to the senseless.

Ask the Republicans.

It's become clear that this thread was meant solely to incite a riot, rather than a forum for educated debate (his avatar as evidence).

It's time for us to move on.
 
xNeroZero
Deus Ex, FF13 2, Mass Effect 2 and 3. Probably more.
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Yeah ME 3 isn't out yet...the validity of what you're saying is falling apart and on a forum like this you're not going to want that. Maybe you should research what your saying first before you spew it, and then you can give us links.
 
Smuttysy
The best representation I've seen explaining DLC in current games.
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This is a very nice graphical representation of DLCs today. I shall shamelessly take this and use it elsewhere.

That aside, personally I don't think that GT5 deserves to be labelled like the "now" label in the picture. I certainly feel like I got my Mona Lisa's worth since the original discs. The incremental patches were there to touch up the painting. Perhaps not to the extent like a 1999 expansion pack (how much can you "expand" a driving game?), but Spec 2.0 deserves a label better than 2005, especially since the race improvements and online challenges are all free. Of course, there are many games that abuse the DLC model and definitely fit the Mona Lisa analogy, but GT5 isn't one of them in my book.

I bought GT4 knowing that I would never A-Spec my endurance races and that was my intent with GT5. Then Spec 2.0 came and with it the opportunity to save mid-race.

xNeroZero
How do you think they get the new cars in GT5? They come with the updates. They're on the game, you just have to pay to unlock them.
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I think this really hits it for alot of people (and we all know how much customer mood and attitude affects a sale, right?). There is a fine line between paying for an update and then downloading that data, and where the data is forced into part of an update but protected by an unlock key.

Publishers/Developers LOVE this because:
1. In most cases it mitigates the effects of splitting the playerbase into haves and have-nots (both can still play together, but the have-nots cannot select or use the item in question).
2. Those who never purchased the DLC can sometimes still work with players who can, in hopes that the players exposed to the DLC will buy it.

But I personally dislike it because:
1. I don't like players who blatently flaunt DLCs that I cannot access because I never bought it.
(The conformity issue: either all have it, or none have it :D).
2. This data, which remains locked without a purchase, still occupies my HDD space.
 
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Whether you're right or wrong, you act as if video games companies are the only companies in the world that try to screw their customers. WRONG! If anything the video game companies are late to the party compared to other companies.

It all comes down to supply and demand.

If alot of people enjoy DLC, which it is obvious they do, then game makers would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

I am much more willing to spend my money on some extra content for my video game, than on those hidden fees in my phone bill, or insurance bill, or... well, you get the idea.
 
xNeroZero
How do you think they get the new cars in GT5? They come with the updates. They're on the game, you just have to pay to unlock them.
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So they are new material then. They took work beyond the original programming. You're awfully picky about how they get delivered. You would prefer to have no new content? Or you just don't like paying for other's work?

And how do any of us outside pd "know " what will be in gt6?
 
xNeroZero
What happens if I wanted to know what happens with the two characters in those DLC that Niko meets in his story? Why not include it in the game?
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Then you could want to know, all it does is explain a back-story. It does not affect the main storyline of GTA IV.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
This doesn't prove that they're with holding from the main storyline and subing it in with DLC instead to make a extra profit along with the game. That I don't believe is legal and is probably fraudulant
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Go on google and type in day one DLC for Mass Effect 3 or FF13 2. It's there.
 
xNeroZero
Go on google and type in day one DLC for Mass Effect 3 or FF13 2. It's there.
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Yeah plenty of games have it. Once again though it doesn't show that it is with holding content from the original game and replacing it with DLC. Show me where it does and I'll apologize. Obviously you don't get what I'm saying and this shows more so how naive you seem to be.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
How do those two links prove that ME 3 will have the issue you're claiming? Try to keep up.

Also those links ironically enough do not show what you're claiming either. The FF one even says that the main story on the game runs parallel to the DLC. Thus it's expanded and not detracted.
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I'm giving out examples of DLC that is cut out of those two games. It doesn't matter that it runs parallel, why is it DLC? Why do people have to pay for something that's related to the game? The Mona Lisa picture says it all in what I'm trying to say.
 
evilserpentman
Nero obviously this arguement is coming down to 'I want GT6', judging by your posts on other threads.
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I do want GT6, bet yet again I want them to take the most time in perfecting it. All the DLC that was in this game is going to be in that game.
 
xNeroZero
What happens if I wanted to know what happens with the two characters in those DLC that Niko meets in his story? Why not include it in the game?
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About GT5 (Because this is GTP), IIRC Kaz wanted another 2 years of development on GT5. But Sony gave them a final deadline to which they MUST have the game out by.

But NeroZero... Since when is adding cars and tracks to GT5 ruining the game?

EDIT: You posted before I finished typing. You can play the game without Spa and the Speed pack. So that Mona Lisa picture isn't relevant to GT since you don't need Space kart to complete the game.
 
xNeroZero
I'm giving out examples of DLC that is cut out of those two games. It doesn't matter that it runs parallel, why is it DLC? Why do people have to pay for something that's related to the game? The Mona Lisa picture says it all in what I'm trying to say.
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First off don't double post, second it is DLC because of what I just said...It is an expansion what do you not get. So would you rather these people build a whole game around it and charge you $60, or better yet charge you a fraction and you still get plenty more game play? You seemed to have answered this.
 
waynz
About GT5 (Because this is GTP), IIRC Kaz wanted another 2 years of development on GT5. But Sony gave them a final deadline to which they MUST have the game out by.

So he's using the DLC to finish it.

But NeroZero... Since when is adding cars and tracks to GT5 ruining the game?
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You mention he wanted another 2 years of development. Why do I need to pay money for something that was left out because PD didn't meet their deadline?
 

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