Do you think chase cam is for noobs?

[baja_j]

It's so unrealistic and I personally think it should not be in a SIM, only arcade. Every time I have a guest over for some driving and they prefer Chase can I tell them you want learn car control with that view, you have to feel the car and what it's doing to react properly. But it's just imo...

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

they prefer Chase can I tell them you want learn car control with that view, you have to feel the car and what it's doing to react properly. But it's just imo...

It is your opinion, but to say that you can't learn car control in that view is a false statement. I would imagine chase cam is probably the most used camera perspective in all driving games. I grew up with chase cam and while I'm not the fastest guy in the world, I wouldn't say I'm shabby. You have proof against your claim in this very thread since there are GT Academy finalists how use the chase view.

At the end of the day, the view does not matter whatsoever, I think pretty much anyone could use any view after some practice. Being fast is about how quickly you can learn, adapt, remember and correctly input the controls consistently.

 

[baja_j]

Simple, seeing the car is not feeling the car.

 

[crowhop]

Simple, seeing the car is not feeling the car.

Not seeing the car is not feeling it either as seeing the car and feeling the car aren't related to each other in any way at all.

 

[stuff1138]

How do you truly feel the car when you're sitting on a chair in your living room?

 

[MrUnknown]

It's so unrealistic and I personally think it should not be in a SIM, only arcade. Every time I have a guest over for some driving and they prefer Chase can I tell them you want learn car control with that view, you have to feel the car and what it's doing to react properly. But it's just imo...

Simple, seeing the car is not feeling the car.

C'mon...

... You don't need to be THAT low...

 

[332i]

And sense of speed.

I kind of scratch my head when I see this and it's not the first time, so you're not the only person who feels this way. Human eye and brain can't distinguish speed increases after roughly 130-150mph. It is not entirely inaccurate in GT6. You don't really get a sense of 'speed' in real life, unless you start looking at your surroundings. That's usually a combination of the realization that 1)things are going by much quicker suddenly, but the kickers are NVH and getting pushed into or away from your seat back.

If your focused and tunneled in on the cars ahead/behind and the track, you're not going to notice much other than the feelings of accel and decel. Any g-forces/loads for that matter. Just something that I've noticed. In couldn't tell you any difference in perspective between 180mph and 140mph. It can't be distinguish. It's like...'overload - sensory cannot compute!'. Even track edges and paint don't really give off a sense of speed in real life at a point. The only things I find that give off some sort of sense of speed are lines in roads. Some track edges and boundaries are broken lines or dashes, rather than solid and those things blur into each other. But on straight up pavement, you would have a tough time guessing after 130-140 or so. Trees should just be a blur in your peripherals. If you look to the side at them in gt6, it hurts to attempt to focus on what you're going by. In fact, it's impossible. Same thing in real life.

I definitely notice a lack of speed in chase view. Everything actually feels like it is going on slower, even though it isn't in real time. That's why I tip my hats to people using that view. It makes me feel stupified, like I'm behind the 8 ball.

I am not shocked that stiggy is so f'ing fast...I AM shocked that he uses the chase cam AND is so f'ing fast. Pretty sure he uses a wheel too, which makes it that much more impressive.

I don't like the interior view, because you can't shut the wheel and arms off on the screen. You can't even change the lock of the drivers arms to at least match your own and your wheel rotation. That's all I used to use, but I found it impractical recently. To me, that is. I like the bumper cam, because it may as well be my eye perspective in the car, considering my rig positioning...I see my own arms, wheel and column mount...so feels just like racing from the perspective in my kart. I actually thought about making a rig out of a chassis I don't use much anymore haha

 

[baja_j]

Lol, well I would like these so called simulators to be as realistic as possible and I'll be more than happy when the only choice is cockpit view, until then go play Mario kart. It's my preference and my opinion. I'm not paying for an argument it's just the way I see it.

 

[JayRS200]

Mostly chase cam for me. But I prefer roof cam for F1 cars. Not been in an LMP or group C car in so long I can't remember what view I like. Probably bumper.

I feel in chase cam I can really push.

 

[Anomaly]

Not seeing the car is not feeling it either as seeing the car and feeling the car aren't related to each other in any way at all.

Exactly. One could also argue that playing a video game isn't feeling the car either. If it's ultra realism someone wants... Get behind the wheel of a real car.

Besides, saying one has to use a cockpit view is like saying all games must employ a first person view or they're just not real enough to warrant play. Um, these are games, not real-life. When there's a choice, they should be played by whatever view works best for the player. It's not like each view is perfection as there are advantages and drawbacks to each one. It just depends on what any player's personal style/preference works best with the particular strengths/flaws.

 

[Rrralphster]

I use chase when I get a new car. To get a "feel" for the width and handling.
After 1 race or a couple of laps, I tend to switch to bumber.
It really improves my laptimes.

 

[332i]

It's so unrealistic and I personally think it should not be in a SIM, only arcade. Every time I have a guest over for some driving and they prefer Chase can I tell them you want learn car control with that view, you have to feel the car and what it's doing to react properly. But it's just imo...

I don't use chase, but if your using a wheel, you're going to feel it either way. No matter the view. If you have a ds3, you're not going to feel it in any view.

Don't have to be so narrow minded. Some people like other things. It must be frustrating for you...

 

[332i]

Mostly chase cam for me. But I prefer roof cam for F1 cars. Not been in an LMP or group C car in so long I can't remember what view I like. Probably bumper.

I feel in chase cam I can really push.

I like your avatar

 

[stiggygonzalez]

I use chase cam online,to see competitors so I don't bump into them,if there's a few car lengths,front/rear,I'll use cockpit.
It's a game after all.

 

[MrUnknown]

Lol, well I would like these so called simulators to be as realistic as possible and I'll be more than happy when the only choice is cockpit view, until then go play Mario kart. It's my preference and my opinion. I'm not paying for an argument it's just the way I see it.

 

[oranjoos]

I get a pretty weird experience when using chase cam; at times i feel like the turning is delayed with chase cam, but other times i feel like it helps me control the car better through corners. I rarely use it though, i love cockpit and hood view

 

[LLOYDZELITE69]

Chase Cam here just what I've always used.

 

[Siren]

I kind of scratch my head when I see this and it's not the first time, so you're not the only person who feels this way. Human eye and brain can't distinguish speed increases after roughly 130-150mph. It is not entirely inaccurate in GT6. You don't really get a sense of 'speed' in real life, unless you start looking at your surroundings. That's usually a combination of the realization that 1)things are going by much quicker suddenly, but the kickers are NVH and getting pushed into or away from your seat back.

If your focused and tunneled in on the cars ahead/behind and the track, you're not going to notice much other than the feelings of accel and decel. Any g-forces/loads for that matter. Just something that I've noticed. In couldn't tell you any difference in perspective between 180mph and 140mph. It can't be distinguish. It's like...'overload - sensory cannot compute!'. Even track edges and paint don't really give off a sense of speed in real life at a point. The only things I find that give off some sort of sense of speed are lines in roads. Some track edges and boundaries are broken lines or dashes, rather than solid and those things blur into each other. But on straight up pavement, you would have a tough time guessing after 130-140 or so. Trees should just be a blur in your peripherals. If you look to the side at them in gt6, it hurts to attempt to focus on what you're going by. In fact, it's impossible. Same thing in real life.

I definitely notice a lack of speed in chase view. Everything actually feels like it is going on slower, even though it isn't in real time. That's why I tip my hats to people using that view. It makes me feel stupified, like I'm behind the 8 ball.

I am not shocked that stiggy is so f'ing fast...I AM shocked that he uses the chase cam AND is so f'ing fast. Pretty sure he uses a wheel too, which makes it that much more impressive.

I don't like the interior view, because you can't shut the wheel and arms off on the screen. You can't even change the lock of the drivers arms to at least match your own and your wheel rotation. That's all I used to use, but I found it impractical recently. To me, that is. I like the bumper cam, because it may as well be my eye perspective in the car, considering my rig positioning...I see my own arms, wheel and column mount...so feels just like racing from the perspective in my kart. I actually thought about making a rig out of a chassis I don't use much anymore haha

I really don't want a feel of how fast I'm going. If I wanted that I can always take my car out on the highway and floor it. Buy visual indication would be nice. Often when I'm speed on the highway I move alot, even tho I'm on a smooth straight I'm still moving a little in my car. You also see that in video too. I've also driven an R35 on highway and as stable as it is you're still shaking in the car. In GT you don't really see that unless you're driving fast in the grass. A little visual movement in the car while speeding on a straight or around a huge corner would be very helpful.

 

[Siren]

I really don't want a feel of how fast I'm going. If I wanted I can always take my car out on the highway and floor it. Buy visual indication would be nice. Often when I'm speed on the highway I move alot, even tho I'm on a smooth straight I'm still moving a little in my car. You also see that in video too. I've also driven an R35 on highway and as stable as it is you're still shaking in the car. In GT you don't really see that unless you're driving fast in the grass. A little visual movement in the car while speeding on a straight or around a huge corner would be very helpful.

 

[Ingram]

And sense of speed.

Cockpit view is horribly unrealistic in that the only thing it can reasonably simulate is a driver with blinders on.

I've played GT6 on a three monitor set up a couple of times, and it was interesting to see how far it goes towards addressing both of these issues.

The game itself doesn't have a poor sensation of speed, it is the fact that the blinker effect dulls the sensation greatly. Once you have the scenery whizzing past on either side of you, GT6 (or indeed any other driving sim) immediately becomes a much more immersive experience.

 

[mistamontiel]

Hood er nothin .. welp can we please get the gauges back for Hood such as in GT4 ? ;/

 

[Downhill Dino]

A little visual movement in the car while speeding on a straight or around a huge corner would be very helpful.

Had something like that in GT5. It was found to be a little excessive and was removed.

 

[SCER]

Lol, well I would like these so called simulators to be as realistic as possible and I'll be more than happy when the only choice is cockpit view, until then go play Mario kart. It's my preference and my opinion. I'm not paying for an argument it's just the way I see it.

You can't keep saying 'just my opinion' and claiming you don't want to start an argument while telling anyone who has the opposite opinion "go play Mario Kart". Just my opinion.

And "seeing the car is not feeling the car" is not simple at all, what are you on about with that?

 

[Foxhound93]

I use always cocpit cam while racing but the chase cam is good for arcade games. And in long staights I might check the cars condition and look at how cool it looks from chase cam After all it is just a matter of taste so I don't say that chase cam is for noobs. It would be ignorant in my opinion.

 

[Siren]

Had something like that in GT5. It was found to be a little excessive and was removed.

I think because they only had the head shaking madly.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I thought there was a little more to it? I don't know, I just recall that it was pretty crazy.

 

[Blank_Redge]

Chase cam, since GT1. Any other view, I've never gotten a good feel of where objects are around me, or where my car is in relation to other cars / objects / the apex.

 

[FSportIS]

Some of your saying do make sense. It is your wording especially the usage of "noob" that triggers the argument.

Online, being a bit polite and choosing your wording carefully to express your points across is better.

In this particular case, if you say something like players should use the interior view for better experience with more immersion in the driving simulation, you will probably see a better discussion.

I personally like interior view because it seems more realistic than other views.

Lol, well I would like these so called simulators to be as realistic as possible and I'll be more than happy when the only choice is cockpit view, until then go play Mario kart. It's my preference and my opinion. I'm not paying for an argument it's just the way I see it.

 

[dddsprayshop]

...You can't be serious. Are you aware that there's a difference between feel and perspective? Maybe you should learn the importance of reading comprehension, as well.

I'd rather watch a competitively driver use cockpit view rather than chase cam. Those darn competitively drivers...

Oh, and incase you didn't notice, (not surprised) my comment to spurgy was sarcasm, hence the wink.

To be honest, english or american is not my first language, i manage , but gramar-like i could get things wrong. ( or using translate..)

About the sarcasm, i know, that's why i also put a wink.
and the "only call noob/cockpit view" i put a beer smiley, for friendly.-><-

Don't worry and don't get me wrong, i'm not mad, or frustrated or dissapointed.
writing text, always gets taken out of context.
This topic is not about the word "noob", it is about respect and sometimes the lack of it.

You started this topic and asked for opinions, i gave my oppinion.
You knew this would happen.
No hard feelings i hope.


ps. (not surprised). because you think i did not notice? Not cool.

 

[spencer7x7]

I personally use chase most of the time, cockpit on some online lobbies, and bumper/hood when doing time trials and license tests.