Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?

[jinjin12]

won't happen. even though PD is it's own company, it's still subsidiary of Sony, Sony won't let that happen. contract issues and other politics just won't let that happen anytime in the future.


also PC = easily pirated at time of release

 

[Jason_Hall]

No because every time a new game is released you will find you usually have to upgrade your PC, where with the console it's Buy & Play.

 

[GT Motion]

PC's may be more powerful, but the developers are second-rate! 👍

PC's are only more powerful if you make them more powerful, most people that think they have good PC's don't even have a good enough all around system as the PS3.

You have to spend hundreds of dollars more than you spent on your PS3.

 

[Andeekaii]

Once again people are reading the question, and then answering a different question.

The question is "Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?" not "Do you think Gran Turismo will ever be developed for the PC?"

 

[jinjin12]

Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3 & 4 were easy to pirate, and that didn't seem to harm sales much...

it's easier to pirate a pc game than a console game cause you need to have a mod chip which = more money. with pc everything is already available....

also when gt3 came out, ps2 was still new and really no mod chips existed back then.

 

[Andeekaii]

No because every time a new game is released you will find you usually have to upgrade your PC, where with the console it's Buy & Play.

Until the next console comes out...

GT1 & 2 - PS1
GT3 & 4 - PS2
GT5 - PS3
GT6 - Most likely PS4?

It would cost you the price of a new console to upgrade your computer, for the next generation game. 💡

 

[GT Motion]

Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3 & 4 were easy to pirate, and that didn't seem to harm sales much...

The average PC user is knowledgeable and knows websites to download and circulate free content.

The average PS user would not know the first place to start when getting pirated content.

Its way easier to circulate pirated PC software than it is to create a pirated PS game, not everyone is a computer nerd.

 

[Andeekaii]

it's easier to pirate a pc game than a console game cause you need to have a mod chip which = more money. with pc everything is already available....

also when gt3 came out, ps2 was still new and really no mod chips existed back then.

Of course, I do not disagree that it isn't easier on a PC. I was just saying that pirating happens all the time, on all platforms - but if it's a good game, it will sell well regardless. Of course PC games sell much less than console games though.

 

[jinjin12]

also not everyone has a pc powerful enough to play such games. most have below average and those with average pcs would lag like ****, thus would not even play the game. not everyone uses their pc for gaming.

 

[jinjin12]

Of course, I do not disagree that it isn't easier on a PC. I was just saying that pirating happens all the time, on all platforms - but if it's a good game, it will sell well regardless. Of course PC games sell much less than console games though.

it is easier....dude most pirate pc games these days come out even before teh game is officially released...

 

[Sephy]

PC's may be more powerful, but the developers are second-rate! 👍

*cough* Treyarch *cough*

Black Ops was crazy buggy when it came out on PC. It took them like a week to patch it. 360 version ran fine when it came out but they released patches almost everyday...

 

[Andeekaii]

Has anyone actually read the question so far?

WOULD IT BE BETTER?

 

[Andeekaii]

it is easier....dude most pirate pc games these days come out even before teh game is officially released...

I know, I said I do not disagree (in other words, I agree) lol.

 

[magburner]

I would say it is much easier to code for a machine which is designed to JUST play games, than it is to code for a machine that can do hundreds of other things.

Obviously, a closed system is easier to develop for, but it still takes skill to fit a game like GT5 into 512mb of ram!

PC's are only more powerful if you make them more powerful, most people that think they have good PC's don't even have a good enough all around system as the PS3.

You have to spend hundreds of dollars more than you spent on your PS3.

I have two GPUs similar to the PS3 in my PC, and I can't even play Civilization 5! 👍

*cough* Treyarch *cough*

Black Ops was crazy buggy when it came out on PC. It took them like a week to patch it. 360 version ran fine when it came out but they released patches almost everyday...

You need cough medicine mate!

I'm not going to argue with you regarding Tryarch, they are just terrible developers full stop. The reason that Black Ops works fine on the 360, is because that was the platform the game was developed for. The PC and PS3 had to settle with half-arsed ports.

 

[Tommy_861]

How come everytime a game comes out, it would automatically be better on PC? I don't get this kind of thinking. More power doesn't mean better game. There's no such thing as "enough power" yet, and certainly not for Kaz.

It COULD look better, but the chances are, it could also actually look worse. Why? Because they have to target the average computer, not the most powerful. And don't think there wouldn't be complaints. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

More power doesn't necessary mean better game. The potential is bigger, but it's all up to the developer.

Either way, this is a pointless hypthetical question, because Gran Turismo will not ever be a PC game unless Sony decides to stop making consoles and become multiplatform or PC only developer.

THIS

Just because it will have more power to run (in theory) won't change design flaws and other issues the game has. It would correct some stuff (like shadows), but the AI would still be retarded, the menus would still be weird, etc.

 

[Andeekaii]

Obviously, a closed system is easier to develop for, but it still takes skill to fit a game like GT5 into 512mb of ram!

I guess, but that also helps my argument. It's much easier to develop a game for a machine that you know the EXACT specification of.

It becomes a whole different ball game when trying to develop a game that will run smoothly on hundreds of thousands of different systems.

Just because it will have more power to run (in theory) won't change design flaws and other issues the game has. It would correct some stuff (like shadows), but the AI would still be retarded, the menus would still be weird, etc.

That's where the power of modding comes in. PC games have a huge modding community, continually improving games. In PC games you can fix the bugs yourself, good look doing that in a console game. Obviously, it would still be GT5 under the skin, but usually it is the little, simple things that annoy people the most. The things that developers can't be bothered to patch - and they're the easiest kind of thing to mod.

 

[djanikowski]

I know, I said I do not disagree (in other words, I agree) lol.

Actually, you said you do not disagree that it isn't easier. Therefore, you disagree. It is much easier to understand what someone is saying when they don't use double negatives.

 

[Andeekaii]

Actually, you said you do not disagree that it isn't easier. Therefore, you disagree. It is much easier to understand what someone is saying when they don't use double negatives.

Indeed I did. My bad. 👍

 

[GT Motion]

Has anyone actually read the question so far?

WOULD IT BE BETTER?

Thats a very hard question to answer directly, because with PC you don't have a set system standard, so if they wanted they could make it the greatest thing ever and you would need the max PC specs to even run it.

-or-

He could mean, "Would it be able to handle what GT5 offers as far as shadows and weather effects go better if it was a PC title". The answer to that is "yes" ONLY if your PC was built well enough to handle it, which only a small fraction of GT5 players would have.

This is not that great of a debate they are two different worlds, PS3 are for normal people, PC's are for people who nerd out on things.

 

[Tommy_861]

I guess, but that also helps my argument. It's much easier to develop a game for a machine that you know the EXACT specification of.

It becomes a whole different ball game when trying to develop a game that will run smoothly on hundreds of thousands of different systems.

This is why I got out of PC Gaming. I got tired of fighting with hardware and having to upgrade a lot. I like being able to just put a new game in and go and be done with no worries. I guess its just because I don't have a lot of time to play anymore.

That's where the power of modding comes in. PC games have a huge modding community, continually improving games. In PC games you can fix the bugs yourself, good look doing that in a console game. Obviously, it would still be GT5 under the skin, but usually it is the little, simple things that annoy people the most. The things that developers can't be bothered to patch - and they're the easiest kind of thing to mod.

Mods and stuff are great, but just looking at it from an as shipped in box perspective it will still be flawed. Plus I've seen some games that get modded to heck, and some that never do because of the way the code is written, so theres no guarantee that it will ever even happen.

 

[Andeekaii]

This is not that great of a debate they are two different worlds, PS3 are for normal people, PC's are for people who nerd out on things.

What about people with both? Does the fact I have a PS3 move me away from nerd and closer to normal?

 

[Ibonibo]

it is easier....dude most pirate pc games these days come out even before teh game is officially released...

heeem. Xbox games are out weeks before their release, yet no one says something about the xbox. GT5 was out pirated before it hit retail.
So it's not only limited to PC. That is so false.


As for the initial question. Yes it would look better.

Most people just don't the differences between Pc and consoles.
Yes Pc games don't look that good on Pc because they are ports of console games so no optimated for the PC.

Wow Ps3 has 8 cores. That was impressive 4 years ago.
Pc now has 12 cores, next year 16 cores

My PC is 2 years old costed about 1000€ and still is too high speced for most games.
the i7 920 (also 8 cores) costed 2 years ago something about 250€, and it's still a beast.

For the ps3, they should have kept the upgrade bay as in the PS2. Add some 2 giga ram on the ps3 and it kicks again.
but 256 ram is too low for nowadays.
I got 10 gb

 

[Andeekaii]

some that never do because of the way the code is written, so theres no guarantee that it will ever even happen.

Good point, I can just imagine what the GT5 code looks like. If it's anything like Kaz's personality, god help us.

 

[Aureus]

This is not that great of a debate they are two different worlds, PS3 are for normal people, PC's are for people who nerd out on things.

Dude, you're posting a forum where people nerd out over which steering wheel to use and how to build custom racing sim cockpits.

The amount of general ignorance in this thread about PC Gaming hardware, costs and the status of the PC Gaming industry just makes me a bit sad.

 

[kinet1c]

some many console fanboys in this thread it is just ridiculous..

 

[Andeekaii]

some many console fanboys in this thread it is just ridiculous..

Yes, silly us, thinking we can discuss the benefits of something without being labelled 'fanboy'.

So many idiots on this forum its just ridiculous... /Sarcasm

And I am more for PC than console, but personal insults are unnecessary.

 

[Dr.Boss.]

Jeez, why are there always so many misinformed people when it comes to console vs PC.

It doesn't not cost £5000 for a pc to spank PS3 graphics. Infact my computer cost me around about £700 and I have yet to see a game which looks better on PS3.

Get yourself a £150 Quad Core processor (or more, if you want), a £200-300 graphics card (I have a Asus 5850), 4GB of ram, 6 if you prefer - £100. It really doesn't cost as much as some of you are making out.

I can run any game, in 1920x1080, with AAx16, AFx16 and still get 60+ FPS all the time.

The PS3 really isn't the amazing machine people try and say it is. "OH its got 8 cores its amazing bla bla bla". No. It's not.

The only reason consoles sell so well is because they're an easy, straight out of the box solution. The same reason DVD players sell better than DVD drives, the same reason production cars sell better than kit cars etc.

Agree 100%

 

[chromatic9]

HD 4870 and an athlon CPU ($100 each) would walk GT5 and you'd have better textures, shadows etc. 1920x1080 not 1280x upscaled horizontally.

Would be nice if Sony would allow the game on PC after a year or two but it's Sony's biggest game and reason to buy a Sony console.

Trouble with PC gaming is great hardware is affordable and sat there waiting but hardly any devs are using it, while PD are struggling with 5 year old hardware that was already average to begin with.

And possibly it looks like 5year cycle won't happen this gen and we're going to be stuck with PS3 for 3-4 years more.

heeem. Xbox games are out weeks before their release, yet no one says something about the xbox. GT5 was out pirated before it hit retail.
So it's not only limited to PC. That is so false.


As for the initial question. Yes it would look better.

Most people just don't the differences between Pc and consoles.
Yes Pc games don't look that good on Pc because they are ports of console games so no optimated for the PC.

Wow Ps3 has 8 cores. That was impressive 4 years ago.
Pc now has 12 cores, next year 16 cores

My PC is 2 years old costed about 1000€ and still is too high speced for most games.
the i7 920 (also 8 cores) costed 2 years ago something about 250€, and it's still a beast.

For the ps3, they should have kept the upgrade bay as in the PS2. Add some 2 giga ram on the ps3 and it kicks again.
but 256 ram is too low for nowadays.
I got 10 gb

It's more about how much ram the GPU has. Your 10GB of RAM won't do anything other than allow you to run many apps at one time.

 

[magburner]

some many console fanboys in this thread it is just ridiculous..

The PC gaming market is small for a reason. The average Joe has not the time, money, or inclination to chase the latest PC specs. Who wants to buy the equivalent of a new PS3 every few months!? There was a point when I wanted to, but not now, and I am more than happy to settle with a lowly console... 👍

 

[Ubiquitous]

Can't believe some of you think PC's aren't much more powerful than the PS3.

My Graphics card which is almost four years old has the same amount of memory on it as the entire PS3 system has.

PC's that came out at the same time as the consoles are pretty much on par with them, everything since has pushed further and further ahead.

With so much memory to play with, GT5 could have the best quality shadows available, even more anti aliasing and run at true 1080p (or higher, cause PC's have been doing higher than 1080p for years).

Financially the game would make less money purely because console gamers are happy to pay higher prices than PC gamers, no other reason. Piracy is a non issue if you make the game good enough (with full online integration).

Sony don't do PC because they like proprietary formats, they always have. They like full control over everything, restricting you as much as possible as a result.

The only game remotely close to Forza/GT (road cars, lots of tracks, tuning, near sim handling) that gets released on the PC is NFS Shift. Hopefully EA's team will deliver improvements in the right areas for Shift 2.

Unfortunately all three of these games (GT/Shift/Forza) all fail in one way or another, none of them are perfect and they all have flaws.