Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?

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HD 4870 and an athlon CPU ($100 each) would walk GT5 and you'd have better textures, shadows etc. 1920x1080 not 1280x upscaled horizontally.

Would be nice if Sony would allow the game on PC after a year or two but it's Sony's biggest game and reason to buy a Sony console.

Trouble with PC gaming is great hardware is affordable and sat there waiting but hardly any devs are using it, while PD are struggling with 5 year old hardware that was already average to begin with.

And possibly it looks like 5year cycle won't happen this gen and we're going to be stuck with PS3 for 3-4 years more.

Yeah. A 3870 would probably manage to churn out GT5. For reference ATI currently sells the 6870 and the 3870 came out in 2007. And it wasn't exactly the best card of its day.

The PC gaming market is small for a reason. The average Joe has not the time, money, or inclination to chase the latest PC specs. Who wants to buy the equivalent of a new PS3 every few months!? There was a point when I wanted to, but not now, and I am more than happy to settle with a lowly console... 👍

More like once a year, or once every two years... but whatever.


edit: Honestly this whole discussion.. the thread was whether or not GT5 would be better had it been designed for the PC. Answer: Yes. It would also have been less accessible, had a smaller player base and lower sales. The PC gaming market is the 'upper end' of the gaming market. That's the way it's been ever since PCs and Consoles have been competing in the space. Only recently have consoles really put up much of a fight in this, largely because of massive budgets related to the large amount of sales possible on consoles. And because you can develop a game for the PC, 360 and PS3 at the same time. Which has unfortunately had the effect of reducing the quality of PC games since they are essentially 'dumbed down' both in performance and design for the console market.
 
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Once again people are reading the question, and then answering a different question.

The question is "Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?" not "Do you think Gran Turismo will ever be developed for the PC?"

I don't think anybody heard you..

Sure, may be a dumb question which lives in la-la land, but humor the thread author and try to respond at least partially on topic.

For my part, the good points have already been made.

Most PC games can be run in a variety of resource modes, so super-PCs can get the best graphics possible while more modest machines can still run the game. But graphics are only part of what makes a great game.

The best part of my PC game experience has been user mods. For the PC, users wouldn't have to resort to half-assed hybriding, they'd be able to build their own cars completely with an in game tool, and then share them with other users. Tracks could likewise be built and shared, and no worries about licensing issues for PD, since it's all aftermarket user created free content. There would be an online community in the thousands active in such endeavors, and among them all, a few dozen able to create really top-notch product. There would be hundreds of courses and tens of thousands of different vehicles to choose from, not counting all the permutations of tuning states. And even the tuning model would be modded, so you could add superchargers vs turbo, different brakes, etc. I can even see different kinds of scripted campaigns, with different goals and limitations for increased single player enjoyment. In short, what would make the GT series so much better on a PC is that game development would continue for years after release with 10x the staff any developer could devote to a game.

But as I said, really this question is a moot point. As a PC gamer, I've seem game quality steadily declining as the community keeps migrating to consoles (myself included thanks initially to GT1). Even without piracy concerns, there's just not enough of a market to justify the cost of developing with today's capabilities (in the past when machines were simpler and your whole program couldn't be bigger than a floppy disk and you only had 16 colors to work with, etc., development was often handled by just a few people for under $100K, no more today. How many people worked on GT5 for instance, and what was the budget? and yes it would've had to be more people and a larger budget to achieve the same quality on a PC...)
 
The PC gaming market is small for a reason. The average Joe has not the time, money, or inclination to chase the latest PC specs. Who wants to buy the equivalent of a new PS3 every few months!? There was a point when I wanted to, but not now, and I am more than happy to settle with a lowly console... 👍

My PC is several years old, it wasn't prime spec then and it's certainly not prime spec now.

I can still run any game that's released at near max settings, I can easily match PS3 levels of graphics at a higher resolution than the PS3 can manage.

It's a silly misconception to think that you need to spend £300 every few months just to be able to 'keep up'.
 
It's a silly misconception to think that you need to spend £300 every few months just to be able to 'keep up'.

Exactly. I spent £700-800 less than 6 months ago. And my system is overkill for pretty much every game out, with the exception of Crysis, but it will even run that smoothly at 60FPS @ 1920x1080.

I think it will be at least a year, until a game is even released that can stress it. And 2 years before I want to upgrade, to play the latest games - maybe 4 years until I have to upgrade.

And with the relatively new direct-x 11, which brings in tessellation - games look way better on PC. The PS3 does not have the capability to run tessellation, it is way to GPU intensive.

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GT5 would look great if PD built it for a PC, problem with that is if they built it from the ground up for a PC, you'd need the bleeding edge PC to run it. Simple fact that Kaz likes to push things to their limit, look at the amount of things going on in GT5 on the lowly PS3, now imagine that on a fully specced out PC. Someway some how you'd be compromising something, he'd have 32 cars running on screen or something and the highest details cars running.

Someone running off at the mouth about what his PC can do, big deal problem with that is in a year of two your PC will barely be able to handle a game like Crysis 2 at full settings. PC's while powerful are utterly annoying when it comes to gaming, because PC devs are stupid as hell, always trying to shove more crap into a game than necessary and thereby requiring a gamer to have a PC with excessive amounts of RAM, Dual graphics cards and needs a room with an AC and it's own circuit breaker to run it safely. No thank you, I'll keep my lowly console on a power budget thank you very much, this upgrading to the next big thing every year or so is too rich for my blood and not even worth the effort to me. Kudos to those who can keep up with that, I sir will stick to pick up and play any game with the xbox 360 or PS3 logo on it.

Dude why are you posting a still pic? Get some on screen action there and then snap a photo, im pretty sure the PS2 could draw that exact photo up and look just as nice sitting still with absolutely nothing moving, just the gpu and cpu drawing triangles and painting pretty textures. In motion is what counts, lets see one with that sort of beauty in action then we can't talk about your PC being able to handle games at full throttle or not. Still pictures, for the love or everything under the sun...that gave me a laugh.
 
PC gaming is pretty much dead now so no I wouldn't want GT5 on the PC. I also don't want to have to deal with DRM issues, software drivers and all of that other crap. Just put the game disc in the system and go. Graphics aren't important to me. Plus everyone would just pirate the game because DRM doesn't stop piracy, it just hurts legit buyers. It would do more harm then good to GT5.
 
It will never happen on PC. While both platforms have their piracy it's rampant on the PC while on consoles it's only a small group of people who are willing to go through all the hassle to even be able to play pirated games. No point in spending millions to develop a game that will only be pirated by freeloaders. I strongly believe piracy has ruined a lot for the PC game market.
 
LMAo at the ignorance here, tech has not changed much the last 4 years has to be the best one. Maybe you should play metro 2033 in Dx22, or batlefield Bad Company 2, crysis..................
 
"Do you think Gran Turismo would be better if developed for the PC?"

Of course not. The gamers base on PC is maybe three times smaller as on console.

For sure on PC you could have better textures and shadows. But you would need a lot PC-power to play the game on max settings.

For developers, it would be a waste of money, because you would never see your 60 million again.
 
Of course not. The gamers base on PC is maybe three times smaller as on console.

For sure on PC you could have better textures and shadows. But you would need a lot PC-power to play the game on max settings.

For developers, it would be a waste of money, because you would never see your 60 million again.

This right here... the PC fan base couldn't support a 60 million dollar budget, so would KY even have had the money he threw at this project available? And if not would the game really be better?
 
Market would be smaller I gave up using PCs for gaming a long time ago was just too expensive, hard to justify to the girlfriend why I need to spend $700 on a new gpu just so i can run a game at a higher res. Console it is what it is so I just enjoy the gaming aspect instead of forever tweaking settings to get game running perfect on pc. just my 2 cents.
 
More like once a year, or once every two years... but whatever.

More like every six months! I brought my PC a few years ago, and by my estimation, graphics cards are three, maybe four generations ahead of where I am.

I can still run any game that's released at near max settings, I can easily match PS3 levels of graphics at a higher resolution than the PS3 can manage.

Why the fixation with who or what can run a higher resolution? I've been playing video games for 30 years now. Back when I started, a block moving between two white lines, was what passed for a driving game. Honestly, my mouse has more ram than the computer I used to play games on, when I was a kid.

Does that mean the game was rubbish? Of course not, it is all about the experience. Consoles can deliver a consistent experience for many people at an affordable price. Does it matter that the gun their character holds has less polygons than the same gun on the PC version of the game? Again, of course it doesn't! 👍
 
Could it have been for the PC, maybe. Will it? Hell no! Polyphony is too close to Sony for that to happen. PS3 exclusive. Maybe for the Mac. . . But for a Microsoft machine?! Are ya daft!?
 
Someone running off at the mouth about what his PC can do, big deal problem with that is in a year of two your PC will barely be able to handle a game like Crysis 2 at full settings. PC's while powerful are utterly annoying when it comes to gaming, because PC devs are stupid as hell, always trying to shove more crap into a game than necessary and thereby requiring a gamer to have a PC with excessive amounts of RAM, Dual graphics cards and needs a room with an AC and it's own circuit breaker to run it safely.

There is not a game made that requires dual graphics cards. Likewise you can play Crysis on a 4 year old rig. You just can't pimp out its graphics to the maximum. Infact if you played Crysis on a 4 year old rig it'd look something like a console game...

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Market would be smaller I gave using PCs for gaming a long time ago was just too expensive, hard to justify to the girlfriend why I need to spend $700 on a new gpu just so i can run a game at a higher res. Console it is what it is so I just enjoy the gaming aspect instead of forever tweaking settings to get game running perfect on pc. just my 2 cents.

If that's your two cents. Take them back. The most expensive category on the Tom's Hardware Graphics card list is $410 and up, and everything in that category is insane overkill for a modern game. All you need is a 100 to 200 dollar card.
 
More like every six months! I brought my PC a few years ago, and by my estimation, graphics cards are three, maybe four generations ahead of where I am.

3870 in 2007, 4870 in 2008, 5870 in 2009, 6870 in 2010...

The 4870 will play any modern game. Especially for someone who isn't fixated on higher resolutions.

I just booted up and played the latest Modern Warfare on a machine with a 3870.
 
Considering how long it took for GT5 to be released, I fear that if it was on PC it would have impossible specs to run thanks to Kaz's pursuit of perfection.
 
The PC gaming market is small for a reason. The average Joe has not the time, money, or inclination to chase the latest PC specs. Who wants to buy the equivalent of a new PS3 every few months!? There was a point when I wanted to, but not now, and I am more than happy to settle with a lowly console... 👍
"small" have you ever heard of SC2...?

you dont have to upgrade every few months you know.. seriously i hate when console fanboys try to argue about this kind of stuff.
 
There is not a game made that requires dual graphics cards. Likewise you can play Crysis on a 4 year old rig. You just can't pimp out its graphics to the maximum. Infact if you played Crysis on a 4 year old rig it'd look something like a console game...



If that's your two cents. Take them back. The most expensive category on the Tom's Hardware Graphics card list is $410 and up, and everything in that category is insane overkill for a modern game. All you need is a 100 to 200 dollar card.
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If by better, you mean "would it look, sound and run better"?

Yes ofc. Even my pc is about a gazillion times more powerful then a ps3.

"Considering how long it took for GT5 to be released, I fear that if it was on PC it would have impossible specs to run thanks to Kaz's pursuit of perfection. "

Comedy. You played GT5? It's not perfect.
 
"Considering how long it took for GT5 to be released, I fear that if it was on PC it would have impossible specs to run thanks to Kaz's pursuit of perfection. "

Comedy. You played GT5? It's not perfect.

He said pursuit of perfection ;)
We all know he isn't there yet lol. :nervous:
 
If, after 5 games, he can't do it, probably time to drop the pretentious rubbish. I can't stand all the "kaz said this" and "he's such a perfectionist" because pretty much, he never quite delivers. In 6 years, they have made a game that would probably take some teams 3 years to match.

But yes, on the pc, better, especially for modding.
 
If, after 5 games, he can't do it, probably time to drop the pretentious rubbish. I can't stand all the "kaz said this" and "he's such a perfectionist" because pretty much, they don't deliver.

Yes but a PC game is pretty much limitless. So instead of taking a stupid amount of time, it will also need some sort of biological quantum computer to run it.
 
He's a bit of a Arnold J Rimmer. I can see him spending months water brushing little boxes on his GT5 time table completion sheet...
 
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