Does Anyone Watch Wrestling? (WWE, AEW, TNA, NWA, etc)

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I'm 50/50 in this one. I liked the idea of bringing British/UK wrestling to WWE (we have William Regal, Sheamus, British Bulldog, etc as an example) and this could be the chance for Magnus to debut in WWE and for Drew Galloway/McIntyre to return to the WWE. This also allows the indie wrestlers from WCPW, or other British wrestling orgs to create some exposure or to get a contract to WWE.

The other 50 is well....I like the new UK championship belt but I wished they brought back the European title thus allowing more European talent to come over to the WWE.

All and all, I liked it. Kudos to Trips for continuing to improve WWE.
 
As a Brit and I'm not biased at all but i think this is a brilliant idea! :dopey:

But seriously this is a good idea and it will be interesting to see how it pans out. 👍
 
I hope this isn't a move to stop the growth in the UK Indy scene. However I do like the idea of it, hopefully it can be used to catapult some people into the main event scene on Raw/Smackdown. WE NEED AN ENGLISH WORLD CHAMPION! :D
 
But NXT is awesome still. :lol:
 
So Total Nonstop Deletion was last night. Even reading the results, still quite mental.
 
Tonight then is the final PPV of 2016 in WWE, its Raw's Roadblock: End Of The Line, and here is the card.

Kick-Off Show

Big Cass v Rusev

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Ten Minute Time Limit Match
Braun Strowman v Sami Zayn

Cruiserweight Championship-Triple Threat Match
Rich Swann (c) v The Brian Kendrick v TJ Perkins

Raw Tag Team Championship
The New Day (c) v Cesaro & Sheamus

Seth Rollins v Chris Jericho

Raw Women's Championship-30 Minute Iron Man Match
Sasha Banks (c) v Charlotte

WWE Universal Championship
Kevin Owens (c) v Roman Reigns

And that's it, good card i think, will miss it again (have a guess why!) but will watch it tomorrow night.
 
My god that was a bad PPV

Also this Woman's Division is a JOKE, A COMPLETE 🤬🤬 JOKE! :banghead:
 
Outside of the Tag Team match and the return of a certain man, there wasn't anything good to watch.

FOR 🤬 SAKE WWE, I tried defending your hot potatoing because it gave Charlotte more heel heat but that is long gone, now people including myself are just getting bored and wanting to see something else, which is bad for Sasha Banks

I don't want to see these 2 wrestle with each other for a very long time, send out Bayley, Nia Jax, or even surprise me by making Emmalina the Women's Champion, at least it would be something different

Overall Smackdown has had the better Women's division, even though they lack on the talent department, at least all the women on the roster are treated properly and don't go into the nonsense Raw does.
 
People should stop complaining about the Woman's title being hot potatoed around. If they are having high quality matches (as they are) and are breaking ground never before seen in the Women's division, it's not a problem. Yes, it's bad that only two are a focal point thus far, but that was their final match for at least until after WM33. Charlotte will go on to feud with Nia Jax (or Dana Brooke) then Bayley, leading to Bayley defeating Charlotte at WM33 and breaking that streak Charlotte has of never losing title matches at PPV's. It's a massive benefit for the division as a whole in the long term. Short term pain, for long term gain. People need to be patient and understand that. Sasha will likely go into a feud with Emmalina or Nia Jax, keeping her in that upper area of the card.
 
If they are having high quality matches (as they are) and are breaking ground never before seen in the Women's division
Storyline isn't supporting these matches though. It's hard to get into a match when all the build up has been "look, we have women wrestling" with none of these Women looking stronger at all out of this rivalry since this has just been 50/50 booking city, no one looks good when the person win 3 times only to lose it 3 times later within weeks.

Yes, it's bad that only two are a focal point thus far, but that was their final match for at least until after WM33.
Do agree on this

Charlotte will go on to feud with Nia Jax (or Dana Brooke) then Bayley, leading to Bayley defeating Charlotte at WM33 and breaking that streak Charlotte has of never losing title matches at PPV's. It's a massive benefit for the division as a whole in the long term
Hardly, Charlotte is recieving the Seth Rollins problem when he was WWE World Champion. Looked strong on PPVs but was massively booked weak on Raw. Charlotte doesn't look like a threat, nor a clever heel as she stopped doing that.

Sasha will likely go into a feud with Emmalina or Nia Jax, keeping her in that upper area of the card.
Judging by how Raw treats the non-Main Women, no Sasha would be completely buried. If it was Smackdown, yeah as they have 2 Women storylines going but Raw just can't be bothered even though they have 3 Hours of programming.
 
......Roadblock was mediocre to bad IMO.

Even though it ended with Seth and Roman powerbombing both KO and Y2J, it wasn't enough to save the whole PPV.

On a side note, the Tag Team title match was decent and that fake tag by Sheamus to Cesaro was one of the moves that finally decided the New Day's fate.
 
Storyline isn't supporting these matches though. It's hard to get into a match when all the build up has been "look, we have women wrestling" with none of these Women looking stronger at all out of this rivalry since this has just been 50/50 booking city, no one looks good when the person win 3 times only to lose it 3 times later within weeks
Except it is. Both are being presented as the top two female wrestlers in the world and it's a fight between each other to claim that mantle. And kudos to WWE as they've managed to keep both of them looking strong, by doing the dreaded 50/50 booking (one of the only times it has a benefit). By keeping them both strong, WWE manages to keep a paper thin Women's division on Raw (same story for Smackdown too) packed with championship contenders.
Hardly, Charlotte is recieving the Seth Rollins problem when he was WWE World Champion. Looked strong on PPVs but was massively booked weak on Raw. Charlotte doesn't look like a threat, nor a clever heel as she stopped doing that.
Since I've begun watching Raw regularly, I have only seen her lose to Sasha Banks on Raw in title matches. There is probably the odd match in there where she has lost or looked inferior, but in my eyes, nothing to hurt her character.

Judging by how Raw treats the non-Main Women, no Sasha would be completely buried. If it was Smackdown, yeah as they have 2 Women storylines going but Raw just can't be bothered even though they have 3 Hours of programming
The main reason why there hasn't been any other storylines betwen the women is because it's basically been done before. Nia Jax and Bayley have feuded on NXT just recently (and both should stay protected and feud with lesser wrestlers until the time is right) and Alicia Fox, Emmalina and Dana Brooke don't really have anything to fight for. Nor is there any logical way to just start a feud between them for the time being.

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I believe the main problem here is that WWE has split a small Women's division into two and the lack of depth has hurt them a lot. It'd be wise for the Women to go to Smackdown, and the Cruiserweight's to stay on Raw. I'm not a fan of exclusivity regarding divisions, but until there's more depth, that might be the way to go.
 
Except it is. Both are being presented as the top two female wrestlers in the world and it's a fight between each other to claim that mantle. And kudos to WWE as they've managed to keep both of them looking strong, by doing the dreaded 50/50 booking (one of the only times it has a benefit). By keeping them both strong, WWE manages to keep a paper thin Women's division on Raw (same story for Smackdown too) packed with championship contenders.
I agree in that a little but that was back at Hell in a Cell, this is basically the same build up as Hell in a Cell on repeat, and Hell in a Cell was also promoted as the end. This story has got way too fatigue now with the thing keeping this up is the fact that they are Women. I don't see how 50/50 booking makes any of them looking strong, as it just means whenever they look strong they're just going to get their 🤬 kicked later, completely ruining their momentum.

Since I've begun watching Raw regularly, I have only seen her lose to Sasha Banks on Raw in title matches. There is probably the odd match in there where she has lost or looked inferior, but in my eyes, nothing to hurt her character.
I hardly remember any matches Charlotte was in or any matches on Raw where she looked really strong. Also I don't remember Charlotte being in a one-on-one match against anyone other than Sasha (where she keeps losing on Raw) except that one-off with Bayley but Charlotte just keeps feeding her to Nia Jax.

The main reason why there hasn't been any other storylines betwen the women is because it's basically been done before. Nia Jax and Bayley have feuded on NXT just recently
That was ages ago. Also didn't stop Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn when Sami debuted

Alicia Fox, Emmalina and Dana Brooke don't really have anything to fight for.
Doesn't stop Natalya, Nikki Bella and Carmella. They can throw in a story that can keep the crowd engage if those 3 from Smackdown. Naomi is the only women right now on Smackdown that's floating while on Raw only 2 aren't floating

I believe the main problem here is that WWE has split a small Women's division into two and the lack of depth has hurt them a lot. It'd be wise for the Women to go to Smackdown, and the Cruiserweight's to stay on Raw. I'm not a fan of exclusivity regarding divisions, but until there's more depth, that might be the way to go.
I do think they need to be bigger but with NXT, it might soon rise, not to mention Paige has finished her suspension. Smackdown has been doing fine with its women and honestly more Women would just mean more struggle to fight for screentime as it is a 2 Hour show and Smackdown already have 2 Women feuds.

Raw just needs to get a little more creative with their feuds and bring some people from NXT, Raw has the time for more Women than Smackdown and Smackdown doesn't need a massive group of Women fighting for screentime.
 
I don't see how 50/50 booking makes any of them looking strong, as it just means whenever they look strong they're just going to get their 🤬 kicked later, completely ruining their momentum.
If we look at someone like Alicia Fox who just loses all their feuds, she's always going to look weak and neve benefit from it. But with Sasha and Charlotte, neither one is getting more wins over the other keeping them both strong. This only works because of their match quality. They are putting on some of the best matches on the main roster and to me, that makes the 50/50 booking more tolerable and doesn't hurt either one. And of course Charlotte will get her ass kicked in her feud against Bayley, but that's exactly what needs to happen. Bayley gets the rub of beating Charlotte's streak and we have another contender and champion in the division. And after these past few months, they've made Charlotte and Sasha able to eat a few loses and not hurt their credibility. It's a benefit for all IF it is used correctly by the WWE.

That was ages ago. Also didn't stop Kevin Owens and Sami Zayn when Sami debuted
Yes, but it is arguable that feud wasn't dead, and is of such a high quality, that it was fine to see it happen one last time until enough time passes for it to be kickstarted again. Bayley and Nia Jax's rivalry just isn't anywhere near the level of Zayn and Owens'.

Doesn't stop Natalya, Nikki Bella and Carmella. They can throw in a story that can keep the crowd engage if those 3 from Smackdown. Naomi is the only women right now on Smackdown that's floating while on Raw only 2 aren't floating
Bayley has had feuds with Dana Brooke and Alicia Fox in recent times, they may not be as fleshed out as the Smackdown secondary feuds, but it is still doing Bayley a service of keeping her strong and active.

I do think they need to be bigger but with NXT, it might soon rise, not to mention Paige has finished her suspension. Smackdown has been doing fine with its women and honestly more Women would just mean more struggle to fight for screentime as it is a 2 Hour show and Smackdown already have 2 Women feuds.
Then just switch it so Women on Raw, Cruiserweights on Smackdown. NXT won't get raided for talent as most aren't ready or are too important to let go for now. If the rumours are true, WWE is suppose to be raiding the Indies for talent, so hopefully they are signing a lot of high quality Women wrestlers either to put in NXT or the main roster. Paige will never wrestle for the WWE again with relations at an all time low and her injury holding her back.
 
A lot of #CharlotteWinsLOL could be tolerable...if she could take lessons from her father and actually show some vulnerability.
 
but with Sasha and Charlotte, neither one is getting more wins over the other keeping them both strong. This only works because of their match quality. They are putting on some of the best matches on the main roster and to me, that makes the 50/50 booking more tolerable and doesn't hurt either one.
Neither benefits from this though, it's way too safe, doesn't elevate either Women.

Look at Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens feud. Kevin Owens won or looked the most dominate throughout the feud but Sami Zayn constant fighting threw Owens and eventually won the last match in their feud made both look strong, Owens was booked strong from the get go and all Sami Zayn needed was some convincing wins. This is basically "Your turn to win then your turn, then your turn, then your turn", in a game of who's the most dominate of the week which doesn't matter because they end up looking weak the next.

Yes, but it is arguable that feud wasn't dead, and is of such a high quality, that it was fine to see it happen one last time until enough time passes for it to be kickstarted again. Bayley and Nia Jax's rivalry just isn't anywhere near the level of Zayn and Owens'.
We don't really know because they didn't try it.

Bayley has had feuds with Dana Brooke and Alicia Fox in recent times, they may not be as fleshed out as the Smackdown secondary feuds, but it is still doing Bayley a service of keeping her strong and active.
Haven't developed at all, the feuds have only lasted a month and then Bayley moves on to a different women to a feud with. Especially since the rivalry has been about so many trivial things including boys -_-. There is nothing in these feuds to keep people engage. Lets not forget how weak she looked when Charlotte kept pitting her with Nia Jax.

Then just switch it so Women on Raw, Cruiserweights on Smackdown.
Again, roster size is a problem even, I'd say its worse for the Cruiserweights since it would actually be bigger, not to mention unneeded since 205 Live is right after Smackdown because they'd just get in the way of the midcarders of Smackdown, and would ruin the great work The Miz has done to elevate the Intercontinental Championship. Lets be honest, all Women in 1 show wouldn't solve anything, WWE would still treat it the same, just more Women in the shuffle and more Tag Team Women pointless matches, remember all the "variety" and "multiple storylines" the Women division had before the brand split.
 
Just seen it, yeah it wasnt great was it?!

Things i liked: Cesaro and Sheamus winning the tag titles, yes its been coming for a while now that the New Day would lose them but its great that its finally happened as New Day have been stale for months, i really like Cesaro and Sheamus as a team too and that fake tag to win was beautifully done, Neville returning and going hell was great and i loved the 'thank you Neville' chants too!, the Women's title match was pretty boring in parts but great in others and the final ten minutes of the match plus the OT was fantastic and had me on the edge of my seat, you cant fault the effort the two ladies have put in in their recent matches,they have given everything.

Things i didn't like: the rest of the card really felt like Monday Night Raw but on a Sunday the main event was pretty good but nothing special although the little SHIELD re-union was great, Zayn/Strowman was very meh as was the Cruiserweight match, Cass v Rusev on the kickoff show was pointless and they go again tonight!

So yeah a bit of a mixed bag for me.
 
So to sum things up what you guys said about the problem for the Women's division, WWE needs more wrestlers. Not just women but men also.

I actually think that also. Ever since the brand split WWE is having problems in terms of no. of wrestlers who are in the WWE. If they are going to solve that problem they'll need to start signing indie talent more and not just rely on them but build them even further to become not just great in the ring but also good in cutting promos and becoming popular. Take AJ Styles for example. When I watched his pre-WWE days, he was not good in promo unlike now and thanks to his #BeatUpJohnCena campaign, he became good in promos. Sure indie wrestling fans may argue Vince/HHH is killing indie wrestling by raiding indie wrestling orgs for their wrestlers but that's how it goes in the wrestling business IMO.

And I'm starting to think that WWE should have not brought back brand split because originally the purpose of the first brand split is because WWE has a talent overflow meaning they have too much talent in their hands thus causing wrestlers to not have enough time for in ring action. Until they can do it again like they did when they bought WCW and ECW, then the brand split we have enough may not solve WWE's problems.
 
The thing that confuses me is the loads of roster cuts leading up to the split. Like why?
 
Compared to when the Brand Split didn't exist, I think WWE has gotten better.

My concern was with the Tag Team division but both Raw and Smackdown are controlling both really well.

The midcard titles actually feel like something, granted Roman Reigns as U.S Championship still gives me a little bit of sourness it still feels relevant. Miz as IC Champion and his feud with Dolph Ziggler have been brilliant.

They do need more Women however how the women are being used on Raw compared to Smackdown, size shouldn't be the only thing to blame.

As for the Main Event scene, Raw has a lot of talent, its roster is pretty big, though no one really uses the Raw talent 4/30 are in the main titke picture.

IMO, they just need to throw more people in the main event scene, people in the tag team division can still go for single titles, why not use them?

I think we have to wait to see how this plays out and when they bring more people from NXT into the main roster which happens after Wrestlemani, as Corey Graves has saidm this is in a development sort of process.
 
Raw has a lot of talent in which they can build it from jobbers to midcarders to even main eventers. So far I'm disappointed because they are mistreating Sami Zayn to the point where fans would ask WWE to trade him to SD Live. In fact I'm in favor of doing that and by trading him to SD Live for Dean Ambrose, both brands would benefit because if Zayn were to go to SD, he would start out beating Miz for the IC title then move on to face Styles for the WWEWC title. As for Ambrose, since WWE in my opinion has solidified Seth and Roman as tag team partners once more then would a Shield reunion be possible now if Raw were to get Ambrose?

As for the Tag Team division, they need more and build the jobber tag teams to midcard tag teams. In fact Raw only has five tag teams while Smackdown has maybe 3 to 4 (since Slater and Rhyno are no more) so why not either get more tag teams or build the existing tag teams to becoming recognizable tag teams.
 
I'm fine with Sami Zayn on Raw, if they can book him right. A problem in Raw now is that the midcard champion is busy fighting for the main title meaning the midcarders are doing 🤬 all right now. They really booked themselves into a trouble area doing this, Roman Reigns needs to lose the title or forget about the Universal Championship.

I do agree on bringing up the jobbers. Smackdown has done a good job, just needs to bring up Ascension and the Vaudevillains and Raw needs to bring up everyone but the Main Events Cesaro & Sheamus and The New Day.
 
Yeah and I'm starting to fear The Club going into jobber status. They need to bring them up or else fans in NJPW will starting rioting because of how WWE treated Gallows and Anderson. Ever since Styles left them due to the brand split, that's where have started to fall down into the rankings. I know they have feuded with the New Day a lot but all of the matches that involved with The New Day they lost.

As for the New Day, don't you think that its about time to part ways? I mean they should bring back 2009 Kofi where he feuded with Randy Orton for the WWE title and bring back Big E who won the IC title back then. Have him feud with Roman for the US title.
 
Owens v Reigns made for the Universal title at the Royal Rumble, this time with Jericho suspended high above the ring in a Shark cage, no i haven't made that last bit up!

Decent Raw, looks like the Women's division will be spiced up with Nia/Sasha and Charlotte/Bayley feuds, Strowman responded to losing to Zayn at Roadblock by killing everyone and Cesaro and Sheamus got new tag titles, they are basically the same as Smackdown's but have Red leather and not Blue.
 
new tag titles, they are basically the same as Smackdown's but have Red leather and not Blue.

I also saw that on WWE's highlight video, guess it's finally time for Raw to get a different design. RIP Bronze tag belts, you'll be missed until the 'E needs to unify the tag titles again. Then you'll just be forgotten... :lol:

Also, I still can't care about Braun hanging around; he has no crowd response, no good moveset and no general reason for me to care about him as a singles wrestler. He fought Sami? Congrats Braun, Kevin Owens did that a long time ago and did so much more convincingly. You do an Oklahoma Powerslam for a finisher? Big f:censored: whoop, so did the British Bulldog, and he didn't need to be 7-feet tall to do that... All in all, there's no reason for me to take Braun seriosuly as a big monster guy. Just put him in a tag team, that way you can cover his shortcomings while he tries to find a proper place to be in...
 
One of my favourite parts of Raw was the opening segment between with Owens/Jericho/Foley, it was fine until Foley showed up and turned it into a car-wreck, then i loved it! He got the place name wrong and what the hell was he wearing?! :lol:
 


My spidey senses are tingling in this video... the music and accompanying pictures make me think something really big is planned for next week and the months that follow up to WM33. Is it a heel turn? Is it him being prepped to break Flair's record? Is it finally time for Taker v Cena? Or is Cena winding down his career? Makes next week's Smackdown a must watch.
 
I'm betting that AJ styles will interrupt him.
 
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