Dr is stupid and exploitable

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo Sport' started by Voodoovaj, Jan 17, 2018.

  1. Oswald07

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    I think your qualifying time has a lot to do with your DR. For several days I ran sport races with either slow qualifying or no qualifying. The I would pass 6-10 other racers by the end of the race thinking that this was how your DR went up. I was wrong my DR went down. Today I spent almost 30 min on qualifying. I was 2 seconds slower than the slowest top 10. First race I was 6th made it up to 3rd before getting bumped and ended 10th. Next race I was 2nd first quit opening straight away I finished 2nd. My DR went up by 2000 points. Nothing else I did that day had any effect. My SR remains at 99 or S. I think you cant become an A if you cant qualify like one.

    If you want to win get better and drive faster.
     
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  2. 250Cal

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    Agreed.
     
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  3. CAB77

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    Easiest way to fix the matching system so tanking your rating doesn't do anything is match people based on win count. This way the more wins you earn the faster the races you will get in and naturally make the trophies harder to earn. It really annoys me when I see drivers with DR of D and below have over 100 wins. I'm A/S and get nowhere near winning races any more as the races I'm put in are filled with drivers that are straight up faster. I still enjoy racing and will continue to race for the challenge.
     
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  4. JacksHerer

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    I think this is why so few people are DR:S or DR:A rated, lots of people want those shiny trophies and keeping a low DR is the way to get them.
     
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  5. ROCKET JOE

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    That simply is illogical. DR represents the overall pace of a driver in order to get some proper matchmaking.
    Matchmaking in GT Sport works quite ok I think, so why should a DR D driver, getting matched with equally skilled opponents, picking his races carefully and having some racecraft, in all the world not win some races ?
    I'm not DR A, but I imagine if you're not top 100, 200, what do I know ? ... you will hardly win a race there.
    So if these "shiny trophies" do mean something to you, tank your rating :tup:. Who cares ? I don't.
     
  6. Stotty

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    Of course it’s easier to finish highly if you qualify highly, but did you actually read what I posted before you replied?

    Your starting position has no direct impact on DR points earned.

    I posted in reply to someone who seemed to think he would get DR points by qualifying lowly, then picking up places during the race, even if he finished bottom half. Which you won’t.
     
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  7. ROCKET JOE

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    Thanks for clarifying. Wasn't sure here myself :tup:.
     
  8. JacksHerer

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    If you want to increase your DR you really need to qualify as best as you can, it really takes the pressure off if you are starting way ahead of your door#.
     
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  9. 250Cal

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    Again, the door number thing.

    I've still yet to see data on this and I've got nothing to show door number makes a difference.

    I'm going to go ahead and call the door number thing bollocks in terms of being a dominant contributing factor in DR. People continue to post it without any evidence being provided to support it.

    Number 1 is finishing position and it is by far the most dominant influence on DR.
     
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  10. JacksHerer

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    @250Cal finish position is as important as the competition. The door# gives you an indication of where you stand to the competition.

    I had a replay from a race today and I only did one race, so it was easy to see how many DR points I got. I wasn't able to see exactly what the competition had, as they may have done multiple races since the stats update and kudos live data.
     
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  11. Calmlity

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    The problem is... GTS is made to be played by wheel. And wheels for PS4 that support force feedback are expensive. :banghead:
     
  12. 250Cal

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    Strength of field is a factor, yes. But you need to finish at the head of the field to obtain the best possible DR whatever.

    I record data after each race using Kudos and have 100 race database now. I can see the incremental changes to DR and SR after every race.
     
  13. puupke

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    Door number isn't a factor for you're driving rating, or at least no dominating factor. Often have number 1 or 2 , and even if i finish 5th. It will still rise.i do think it's important to beat at least the lower class drivers compared to you,if it's all the same the bar is on half the field. And if you beat drivers of a higher class, then the bar could be lower.
     
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  14. afrojcactair

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    Raced a few Miyabe today. Was going to nurf the clean driver trophies, on a new player account. 1st ever race started E-B or course, with no qualify. Each race I just stayed in the back.
    Race #5 I somehow become D-B with the DR bar half full.
    Race #7 P10 crashes, and I over brake to avoid him, going off the track for a 1sec penalty, and lose the clean driver.
    Race #8 ends, I somehow become D-A and I'm racing with A-A rated players.

    I'm back to I think +3 consecutive clean. I hope to be D-S soon racing S-S drivers. Silly game.
     
  15. CAB77

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    If only the DR actually was truly a drivers rating. Seen DR E drivers in the top 10 times. By that logic shouldn't we just be matched by our qualifying times. Point is the SR rating is used first to match then a players DR. The back 5 cars in most of my races online are DR C or below. How is that fair to them when there is a DR S driver on pole almost 5 seconds a lap faster.
     
  16. FUNanywhere

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    Reached DR A finally.

    It literally crawls in B. So slow to rank up.


    Does DR depend on laps? If i win in a 10 lap race to a 5 lap race,will it increase faster?
     
  17. afrojcactair

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    Sorry, I don't know, but then longer race with no accidents might help you move up a position or so and get more DR points.
    I measured the "B" DR bars length on the TV to be 2" then measured after every race. Even moving from 5th to 2nd, I only got 1/16" of bar. I have not made it to "A", but everything else seems to get slower and harder the farther you get.
     
  18. GTWelsh

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    Tanking your DR so you can win. I've heard it all now!

    DR is there and is designed so you don't win easily, that's the point of it! Race hard and clean, and have a blast, if all you care about is being 1st place you may as-well be playing the single player, bung it on easy, put all the aids on, set the AI to be in BMW i3's if possible, stick yourself in the 2000bhp dodge vgt and win, all the time.
     
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  19. Robben

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    I got frustrated with not having any chance of realistically getting regular wins after moving up the ranks (currently B), but I now take pleasure (and pride) in increasing my position within a given race. I'm ecstatic after finishing 4th in a tough B race when starting in 9th... whereas playing against the AI I am usually bored by the predictability after a minute.

    Since I reconciled this with myself, my DR has consistently been increasing too, as opposed to trying to barge my way to the front and making mistakes, I now try and hold or gain positions, have mostly clean races and get rewarded for it
     
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  20. ROCKET JOE

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    You get rating points from Sport racing, right. Can you imagine though there's drivers that only want to timetrial, compare their times to the top guys and be done with that ? I've been one of them for a long long time, so to me there's nothing remarkable in DR E drivers in the top ranks.

    I've read different things about unequal grids here on the forums, might it be the lack of players at a given time or some systematic, giving a driver the chance to compete against faster ones.
    All I can say is that my grids are even mostly and according to what I'd expect regarding my own DR SR.
    If you say it's not fair for slower drivers getting matched with the top, you imply that winning is everything. It's not, I think. I twice came upon the Euro top 9 driver on Miyabi yesterday. He won both, but both races have been great battles and incredible fun and it's very rewarding if you just can keep up somehow. That's my approach at least ;).

    You're right though ... in the long run everyone should have the chance to win races :tup:. Anyone who doesn't want the Schumacher trophy :D ?
     
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  21. JacksHerer

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    I 'want' the ability that the Schumacher trophy should imply.

    I've had 9 poles, 6 fastest laps and 6 wins in 226 races. Those achievements felt great.

    On my sub account, I have 16 poles, 15 fastest laps, 15 wins in 29 races. Those achievements felt empty and worthless.

    So I know that there is no point me tanking my main account in search of achievements, it would infect my real achievements and make the whole lot worthless.

    Rubens Barrichello had 14 poles, 17 fastest laps, 11 wins in 322 races
    I've come to realise I will not match or beat his record when I get to 322 races, I can accept that, I'm clearly not as good as Ruben and I know it.
     
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  22. 250Cal

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    Not as far as I can see.
     
  23. Robben

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    I also realised DR B is huge... I just got in last week and am up to 14000, but level A is at 30000!
     
  24. ROCKET JOE

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    I only can hope this version of GT Sport isn't designed to last 14 years, the time Schumacher needed for his 91 wins :dunce:.

    I honestly tell you that I find your way a very ( if not the most ) honorable one. Respect :tup: !
    Me, I game these trophies tanking my DR ( in the best possible honorable way :) - I never quit, ram, block, short-cut or anything - I just go to the line at low pace ). Why ? To get it done ! Trophies never have been the core of the game to me, they're more of a task that has to be accomplished. It's for my own little ego to just finish the game. And be sure, I'm not the one to tell the world "Look what I've got here", nor the one to judge a racer's skills by his trophies, nor the one being impressed if 100 million people in all the world said "Must be a great racer with GTS Platinum". I ( think I ) know who I am.
    And I'm looking forward to THE DAY ... and just race THE DAY AFTER :cheers:. That's me.
     
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  25. Wolfsatz

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    Well said! You should come race with us @ Snail.
     
  26. JacksHerer

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    I'm hoping the games server does last 14 years and all the faster people have moved on to some other game :D
     
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  27. Robben

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    It feels like 14 years since I first put GT Sport on preorder
     
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  28. Outspacer

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    Not directly, but the longer races have more entrants to beat so there is more on offer... and more to lose! Ther best way to level up is to beat people who are currently ranked above you.
     
  29. ROCKET JOE

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    No, they'll all sit in IRL cockpits.
     
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