Drag Racing

[RX-7_FC_DrIfteR]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

Hmmm....Do you guyz think that drag racing will be popular online? I remember reading many topics about how NFS:U's online popularity is Drag Racing. Do you guyz think that drag racing will be popular than track racing in GT4 (online)?

Well it all depends on the person. i know iwhen GT4 comes out online i'll be drifting. iono about drag races, and other races... maybe but for sure i'll be in the drifting section.

 

[Cobra S]

...Do you guyz think that drag racing will be popular than track racing in GT4 (online)? [/COLOR]

obviously not, this isn't need for speed.

and you kinda freak some of us out

 

[Lethalchem]

Lethalchem, you are underestimating the continious power of the Benz. I, by now, may sound a bit like a fanboy, but underestimating is what a lot of people do. You talk about horsepower. Horsepower mostly comes in at high rev range. For the lower range the torque is important. (although they are both figures of the same thing). The Benz has a bit more horsepower, and double the torque of the GT. While it only (lol, only) weighs a third more than the GT.

I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree with your thoughts on the outcome. Both my Cobra and the Ford GT have positive displacement superchargers, which I'm sure you know produces HP AND torque immediately. On the dyno, my mildly modified car put down over 400lbs of torque at the wheels at 2000 RPM. My torque curve is a straight line. The Ford will be even much more impressive.

I think what YOU'RE underestimating is how much of a disadvantage weight can play. How much does the Benz weigh? Something like well over 4000lbs? Do I even recall reading over 5000lbs???

You already quoted your expectation of a 12sec 1/4 mile. Like I said. The 0-60 of the Benz is no better than the STOCK numbers on my car, and the 1/4mile times of my modded car and the stock GT are in the 11's.

It sounds like you are simply quoting info about what you've read, as opposed to having had any experience driving cars with these kinds of HP numbers. I'm not putting you down for that, just saying you don't seem to understand how all these numbers play out at the track. 👍

 

[kinigitt]

the SL65 accelerates from 0-100km/h in 4.2 seconds and runs the 1/4 in 12.9

Of course, a twin-turbo 6.0L V12 putting out 600hp and 740lb ft of torque could have something to do with that...

Now if the big dog Merc's (not counting the McMerc SLR) best time is close to a 13, where is all this "bye bye american muscle" stuff coming from?

My uncle's got a '96 Camaro SS with a few minor tweaks (air filter, exhaust, ported head), and he runs low 13s and high 12s like nothing on street tires.

 

[RoyalBobcatGTO]

You can see how important drag racing is since just about every car magazine quotes 1/4 mile times for any car it reviews, even the crap ones. Its heaps of fun in real life, hopefully gt4 will be able to get it right.

 

[DeltaS4]

Delta S4 will beat you all and by the way it has only 1.7-litre engine!

American muscle cars are too heavy, ~1500 kg is too much.

 

[Dirkiyo]

Delta S4 will beat you all and by the way it has only 1.7-litre engine!

American muscle cars are too heavy, ~1500 kg is too much.

well, i'm not completely sure it will beat every musclecars but since the Lance Delta Integrale S4 is a rallycar......it propably will beat most of them.
I'm put one in my garage for some online-dragracing, that's for sure!!!
i think the power of an accelerating rallycar is underastimated a bit.

btw....most of these musclecars way over 1500kg .....heavy bricks of steel.........with to much torque to handle 👍

 

[PhatFat]

Delta S4 will beat you all and by the way it has only 1.7-litre engine!

American muscle cars are too heavy, ~1500 kg is too much.

The Delta S4 is a rally car from the 80s why would you compare it to muscle cars? Thats like saying a Jaguar R4 only has a 3 liter but it'll kick a tesstarossa in a drag race. Why don't you race American Muscle against european "muscle" or japanesse "muscle" from the same era?

 

[Dirkiyo]

ooooooooooooooh maaaaaaaaaaannnn?!?!?!?!?!?!

i'm almost doubting that some of these guys here even know what rallyracing is..............

Ofcourse a musclecar can be faster.............but can you find a musclecar with only a 1.7l engine of only 296BHP...........guesss not!!!

 

[DeltaS4]

IT'S NOT INTEGRALE!!!!!
Lancia Delta HF Integrale (integrale=perfect) is Group A Rally car and it came after Group B was banned after Henri Toivonen's fatal accident at Corsica 1986. So Integrale was used after year 1987... And S4 is Group B car. Then there is also Lancia ECV which is Group S car, if you know.

BTW Henri Toivonen drive 1986 with Delta S4 at estoril Portugal and the lap time was good enought for position 6 in F1 qualify! And that was time of Turbo Formulas!!!

 

[PhatFat]

ooooooooooooooh maaaaaaaaaaannnn?!?!?!?!?!?!

i'm almost doubting that some of these guys here even know what rallyracing is..............

Ofcourse a musclecar can be faster.............but can you find a musclecar with only a 1.7l engine of only 296BHP...........guesss not!!!

Why does power matter over speed?

 

[okoj]

Drag racing is very American if you think about...

It's all to do with how much money you can spend (on the car in the first place and then on modding it) and not so much about skill or talent.

TBH I think I'll have more fun track racing a car with the engine size of a motorbike than driving 440 yards in some souped up muscle car...

Now where did I put my asbestos suit?

 

[Dirkiyo]

Why does power matter over speed?

euhh like...........almost everything ..........duuuuuuh!


it's about a low weight, hight torque, BHP and windresistance......or are you saying that it's not soooo???????

 

[PhatFat]

Drag racing is very American if you think about...

It's all to do with how much money you can spend (on the car in the first place and then on modding it) and not so much about skill or talent.

TBH I think I'll have more fun track racing a car with the engine size of a motorbike than driving 440 yards in some souped up muscle car...

Now where did I put my asbestos suit?

Yes drag racing is very American everybody knows that.
And drag racing is about skill.

it's about a low weight, hight torque, BHP and windresistence......or are saying taht it's not soooo???????

No, I was saying that cause you said that a muscle car might be faster but I couldn't find one with a better hp per liter, and I was saying "IF ITS FASTER" then who cares about power. But I'm not saying power isn't important.

 

[Dev_Zero]

I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree with your thoughts on the outcome. Both my Cobra and the Ford GT have positive displacement superchargers, which I'm sure you know produces HP AND torque immediately. On the dyno, my mildly modified car put down over 400lbs of torque at the wheels at 2000 RPM. My torque curve is a straight line. The Ford will be even much more impressive.

I think what YOU'RE underestimating is how much of a disadvantage weight can play. How much does the Benz weigh? Something like well over 4000lbs? Do I even recall reading over 5000lbs???

You already quoted your expectation of a 12sec 1/4 mile. Like I said. The 0-60 of the Benz is no better than the STOCK numbers on my car, and the 1/4mile times of my modded car and the stock GT are in the 11's.

It sounds like you are simply quoting info about what you've read, as opposed to having had any experience driving cars with these kinds of HP numbers. I'm not putting you down for that, just saying you don't seem to understand how all these numbers play out at the track. 👍

I indeed don't have much experience actually driving fast cars, but I do know how these numbers work on the track. I must say you have some very good points. However, the GT doesn't have as smooth of a torque/hp curve as you might think. The Benz weighs about 4000lbs (1950kg). But you have to see that my whole point is the muscle cars America produces are no longer what they used to be. The icon of American muscle has faded. My point is that the people in this thread hype American muscle, while more raw power and speed is even available in a 2 tonne (kg) German Luxury car. I would like to see how the American muscle from past and present is compared to the recent power war in Europe.
Oh, and Knigitt, the SL is that slow because it can't put all the power on the road. Traction and other factors limit it from reaching full potential. It is a shame of all the unused power however.. But that's what companies like Kleemann, Brabus and Lorinser are for. But it costs money. If Mercedes selled their cars with the performance parts Brabus etc offer (uber-quality racing stuff), the price would become too high for anyone to even consider buying one. They are happy with the power they can put on the road, and aren't willing to raise the prices much higher for a marginally small performance increase.

Just my 0.02$ , and lets continue discussing Drag Racing as a whole . We don't want this to turn into an America vs. Europe vs. Asia war . You all have good points, lets keep it at that. When GT arrives, we will see. Because after all it depends on how accurate the cars are in the game.

 

[Dirkiyo]

I indeed don't have much experience actually driving fast cars, but I do know how these numbers work on the track. I must say you have some very good points. However, the GT doesn't have as smooth of a torque/hp curve as you might think. The Benz weighs about 4000lbs (1950kg). But you have to see that my whole point is the muscle cars America produces are no longer what they used to be. The icon of American muscle has faded. My point is that the people in this thread hype American muscle, while more raw power and speed is even available in a 2 tonne (kg) German Luxury car. I would like to see how the American muscle from past and present is compared to the recent power war in Europe.
Oh, and Knigitt, the SL is that slow because it can't put all the power on the road. Traction and other factors limit it from reaching full potential. It is a shame of all the unused power however.. But that's what companies like Kleemann, Brabus and Lorinser are for. But it costs money. If Mercedes selled their cars with the performance parts Brabus etc offer (uber-quality racing stuff), the price would become too high for anyone to even consider buying one. They are happy with the power they can put on the road, and aren't willing to raise the prices much higher for a marginally small performance increase.

Just my 0.02$ , and lets continue discussing Drag Racing as a whole . We don't want this to turn into an America vs. Europe vs. Asia war . You all have good points, lets keep it at that. When GT arrives, we will see. Because after all it depends on how accurate the cars are in the game.

you made a good point there Dev_Zero 👍

let's try to stay ON TOPIC........and not argue about these musclecars.....like i did.

 

[okoj]

Yes drag racing is very American everybody knows that.
And drag racing is about skill.

Well, changing gears at optimum rev levels may be considered skillful if you're used to automatics but to the rest of us it's just part of everyday life...

 

[Dirkiyo]

that's true............never driven a car with automatic gearbox and never will.............Manual is the way we do it 👍

P.s The Honda Accord has got a great gearbox with that shortshifter 👍

 

[GTAuron]

Indeed, Theres a phrase around here for automatics; Grannyboxes

 

[Lethalchem]

But you have to see that my whole point is the muscle cars America produces are no longer what they used to be.

You are correct. It's not what it used to be...it's even better. The old muscle cars of the past can barely touch the performance numbers of modern daily driver vehicles available today. Running 14-15 sec 1/4 times back then was VERY common in a muscle car. Now we've got grocery-getters running those numbers.

The icon of American muscle has faded.

If you mean Muscle Car in the technical term where you have a big boat with a big engine, then you're right. That's not practical anymore. But if by "American Muscle" you mean the current pony cars like the Camaro or Mustang/Cobra. Or sportscars like the Viper and Vette, then I think you are quite incorrect. The interest in performance cars such as these are thriving just fine here. 👍

My point is that the people in this thread hype American muscle, while more raw power and speed is even available in a 2 tonne (kg) German Luxury car. I would like to see how the American muscle from past and present is compared to the recent power war in Europe.

I'm not sure what power war you mean. If you're still referring to a big heavy car that can barely dip into the high 12's, then I think you're going to be disapointed.
I don't care how much power it makes. THAT'S the point of 1/4 mile (and others) tests, because there's more variables involved in being fast than simply making HP and Torque.

I don't know much about European cars that arn't available over here, but you're going to have to be running consistant 11 second 1/4 times to compete with what we're running over here. Now you can argue that you've got a FAST luxury car that is powerful AND you can sip wine from the fridge in the back seat, I'll not argue a bit about that. I'd agree completely that America doesn't have anything to compete with that...but if we did, I don't know anyone who'd buy one.

I, for one, am not rich enough to be able to afford high end cars. But THAT's why I "hype" american muscle, if that's what I'm doing. If your $175,000(US) MB runs 0-60 in 4.5 and the 1/4 in 12.9, then why shouldn't I be happy that my stock $34,000 Cobra runs the exact same numbers, and for $800 will run 0-60 in 3.8 with a 1/4 of 11.8? I think what people like, is that they can have a taste of supercar performance, for the average joe price. I'll never be able to afford one of these high end cars, but I can enjoy the accelleration of them. I thinks that's something to at least warrent some of the praise these cars get.

 

[okoj]

edit Sony have pushed the release date for this comment back to Spring 2005

 

[Remko]

What!!! Thats terrible... Should they release it before my dead??? Is that possible??

 

[Remko]

how many times did they pushed the release date for gran turismo 4??

 

[Remko]

5 till 8 times I think.

 

[plfrench]

Do you like talking to yourself Remko???

 

[98cobra]

I, for one, am not rich enough to be able to afford high end cars. But THAT's why I "hype" american muscle, if that's what I'm doing. If your $175,000(US) MB runs 0-60 in 4.5 and the 1/4 in 12.9, then why shouldn't I be happy that my stock $34,000 Cobra runs the exact same numbers, and for $800 will run 0-60 in 3.8 with a 1/4 of 11.8? I think what people like, is that they can have a taste of supercar performance, for the average joe price. I'll never be able to afford one of these high end cars, but I can enjoy the accelleration of them. I thinks that's something to at least warrent some of the praise these cars get.

Exactly, I can't afford a $175,000 car. And I can get pretty close performance with a late model muscle car.

 

[Dev_Zero]

You guys are lucky anyway. Any car in America costs about two to three times as much over here :S

 

[martialstax]

I think drag racing is a great addition to the game. I know plenty of people don't care for it, but to me, it's all racing. Whether you're talking about F1, FIA GT, Touring Cars, NASCAR, WRC, Aussie Supercar, NHRA, the Baja 1000, the SCCA runoffs or Drifting, it's all racing.

To me, drag racing and drifting are similar in spirit. In the late '40s and early '50s, kids wanted to have fun with their cars. They were working or going to school, so they couldn't go far, so drag strips started to spring up. And what were they racing? '40 Ford coupes, '32 Ford roadsters, Model A's with flathead V-8s in them, whatever they could afford and fix up cheap because of a strong aftermarket speed parts industry.

Today, kids are still wanting to have fun with their cars. They still can't go far because of school or work, so they stick close to home with parking lot drifting contests. And what are they driving? Civics, Preludes, Eclipses, Supras, Imprezzas, whatever relatively inexpensive cars they can get their hands on, and fix up easily because of a strong aftermarket speed parts industry.

I'm going to enjoy it all: roadracing, streetracing, rallying, drifting and dragging and whatever else PD can cram in the engine.

 

[king jame II]

Exactly, I can't afford a $175,000 car. And I can get pretty close performance with a late model muscle car.

Well, that was the point of the muscle car. Cheap and fast! No options, no AC, but the biggest engine that could fit between the frame rails. Great stuff.
James-

 

[super cirrus]

I'm going to enjoy it all: roadracing, streetracing, rallying, drifting and dragging and whatever else PD can cram in the engine.

👍