DTM and Super GT merge regulations from 2014?!.

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PWC is the best GT3 racing series in North America led by people who actually know what they are doing, those people being the SCCA. :D Thank God it isn't run by IMSA. :lol:

GT3 is about as fast at GTE overall. The ACO/FIA are just stubborn it seems in keeping GTE(GT2).
 
Would someone mind filling me in on USA DTM for me? I'm also doing a google search about it but results on that are sometimes spread out to far.
 
Brutaka
Would someone mind filling me in on USA DTM for me? I'm also doing a google search about it but results on that are sometimes spread out to far.
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there isn't any series, just second hand track day cars, though I'm not particularly sure if any of the Detroit heavy hitters make more then one car that could become class one,
 
TDZdave
there isn't any series, just second hand track day cars, though I'm not particularly sure if any of the Detroit heavy hitters make more then one car that could become class one,
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Ford is focused on Rally, (obsessed with unfortuantly) stockcars, and now has a LMP1/2 or GTE program on the way...due 2016.

Fiat/Chrysler is more or less broke...Viper GTLM program was questioned at one point this season, and they want to sell more GT3 cars.

Then there's GM...GTLM/E Corvette's with a possible expansion to a third car to run in the WEC (up to 2017 only it seems) Corvette DP's, coming Cadillac ATS-V.R GT3 car, (also sadly obsessed) with stockcars.


The most likely candidates of the "big 3" are Ford or GM though. Ford uses a 4 cylinder turbo in the Mustang, and with the lower cost and high performance of a Class-One car, maybe they do a Mustang for the class. And they'd jump all over the oppurtunity to slap the ****ing "Eco Boost" stickers all over. :lol:
And GM's new Camaro might possibly have a turbo 4 as well, so maybe they do a Class-One Camaro.
 
Tired Tyres
That was the old Super GT. This year they are using the DTM chassis but it is made in Japan. They only differ in engine, tyres, fuel capacity and stupid wing rules.
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It wasnt the old super gt. They use the same chassis rules as DTM currently, but not the same supplier. DTM uses a single supplier for their carbon tubs. In GT500, the manufacturers can create their own iirc.

mustafur
yeah but that has nothing to do with it not being Class one.

DTM is a Sprint Series and Super GT is an Endurance one.
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Super GT has varying race lengths. Yesterdays race in Thailand was 66 laps. Theyre not exclusively endurance racers. Class one will be something different from both dtm and Super GT. I cant wait to see it.
 
catamount39
The most likely candidates of the "big 3" are Ford or GM though. Ford uses a 4 cylinder turbo in the Mustang, and with the lower cost and high performance of a Class-One car, maybe they do a Mustang for the class. And they'd jump all over the oppurtunity to slap the ****ing "Eco Boost" stickers all over. :lol:
And GM's new Camaro might possibly have a turbo 4 as well, so maybe they do a Class-One Camaro.
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I don't imagine that the next gen RS5, C63 or M4 will be turbo 4's, and the cars are silhouettes, so they don't need the road car link, it just helps with the marketing.
 
MatskiMonk
I don't imagine that the next gen RS5, C63 or M4 will be turbo 4's, and the cars are silhouettes, so they don't need the road car link, it just helps with the marketing.
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Well we know it doesn't really matter...but sadly our "friends" in Detroit think everything has to be literal. Course Ford slaps "Ecoboost" stickers on their V8 Supercars I've heard... :lol: .

I hope that these cars don't get ridiculous fuel consumption regs, I want these things to be fire spitting turbos with mad amounts of "chirping". :D Probably not going to happen... though. :P Turbos can be epic, but as the new F1 cars have shown...they can also ruin the fun too. :(
 
catamount39
Well we know it doesn't really matter...but sadly our "friends" in Detroit think everything has to be literal. Course Ford slaps "Ecoboost" stickers on their V8 Supercars I've heard... :lol: .

I hope that these cars don't get ridiculous fuel consumption regs, I want these things to be fire spitting turbos with mad amounts of "chirping". :D Probably not going to happen... though. :p Turbos can be epic, but as the new F1 cars have shown...they can also ruin the fun too. :(
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Target is 300 bhp per litre... I'm pretty sure they'll spit fire, though who knows what will happen when it comes to the sound of them, but I'm pretty sure fuel economy won't be top of the agenda!
 
600 bhp sounds good, but they could get better figures from 2.0 Turbos. I think that 650 bhp is more closer to what the power figures will actually be. What I'm really looking forward in Class-One regulations is possibility of having one big race containing cars from Super GT and DTM.
 
MatskiMonk
Wasn't the Lexus 'DTM concept' and old rebodied Opel DTM car.. I seem to recall a lot of people saying that at the time.

I'm pretty sure one of the driving forces behind BMW rejoining DTM was the possibility of a merger with other series' regulations... IIRC the other one that was mentioned was Aussie V8's.
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All manufacturers are keeping an ear to the ground concerning V8 Supercars regulations. 2016/2017 will see changes. Coupes invited? Open engines? Turbos? Will it even be known as V8 Supercars? Nismo are rubbing their hands if Ford and/Holden pull out. As well as ready to fire up the 3.8TT if it comes to it.

V8s are under the FIA banner as it is. We'll wait and see.
 
Legro
600 bhp sounds good, but they could get better figures from 2.0 Turbos. I think that 650 bhp is more closer to what the power figures will actually be. What I'm really looking forward in Class-One regulations is possibility of having one big race containing cars from Super GT and DTM.
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An eventual Super GT Touring Masters world cup would be pretty special.

Eventual.
 
Too bad. A Mustang back in DTM would certainly be a good move for this new global Model.
 
It's a shame, can't say I'm that surprised though. 2 Litre turbo rather than a Veeeeyaayate was always going to be a tough sell. And seriously, I think America always has a kind of back-to-basics approach when it comes to motorsport, which is certainly not a bad thing, but I don't think that's what SuperGT and DTM are about.
 
catamount39
Ford is focused on Rally, (obsessed with unfortuantly) stockcars, and now has a LMP1/2 or GTE program on the way...due 2016.

The most likely candidates of the "big 3" are Ford or GM though. Ford uses a 4 cylinder turbo in the Mustang...
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You're forgetting the Focus touring cars and, I guess, the V8 Supercar. I think Ford would be up for this... I think quite a few manufacturers would be if they thought they could sell a platform across several series.

The problem is that I think every set of fans is going to feel that "their" sport has been slightly compromised, in fact that's probably true, but long-term I think this is a good move. Whether or not it works remains to be seen, we've had attempts at global (or even regional) standardisation before and it hasn't worked, or hasn't lasted.
 
TenEightyOne
You're forgetting the Focus touring cars and, I guess, the V8 Supercar. I think Ford would be up for this...
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Ford provide the bare minimum of support to their motorsport programmes. Technically, the FIA recognises M-Sport as the constructor of the Fiesta WRC, not Ford. Likewise, their V8 Supercar programme is pretty much Ford in name only; they make the Falcon available for competition, but that's pretty much the extent of their involvement.
 
@prisonermonkeys that's true but if this presented a larger opportunity to build/sell in bulk I think Ford would be quick to reconsider... especially if competitive brands were filling the void.
 
Ford hasn't confirmed money for V8SC, and even if Ford did commit money it would be from Ford Australia division and not from Ford's global kitty,

I'm kind of intrigued to see what Ford's global commitments are for the future,

Does Ford have a "plausible" body shape they they would want to promote in greater Europe or Japan, same with the General Motors division or even Chrysler
 
TDZdave
Does Ford have a "plausible" body shape they they would want to promote in greater Europe or Japan, same with the General Motors division or even Chrysler
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The Focus springs immediately to mind, I believe they're sold in the US too? My instinct is it's a little small compared to "normal" DTM/SuperGT cars though, but it beefs up nicely. Good point about the V8 Supercar... ;)
 
TenEightyOne
I think Ford would be up for this... I think quite a few manufacturers would be if they thought they could sell a platform across several series.
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This is the basis of the Class One regs. One platform, multiple series; DTM, SuperGT, and the USA series. I'm sure BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Honda, Toyota and Nissan are all keen to be able to sell their race cars and promote their brands to the USA, part of the problem may be that the US manufacturers might not sell the road version of the race car in certain other markets that DTM/SGT race in. The Mustang seems like the best candidate since it's now a European model too... but then, I guess they could just take it GT3 racing.
 
MatskiMonk
This is the basis of the Class One regs. One platform, multiple series; DTM, SuperGT, and the USA series. I'm sure BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Honda, Toyota and Nissan are all keen to be able to sell their race cars and promote their brands to the USA, part of the problem may be that the US manufacturers might not sell the road version of the race car in certain other markets that DTM/SGT race in. The Mustang seems like the best candidate since it's now a European model too... but then, I guess they could just take it GT3 racing.
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The thing is... a BMW, Merc and Audi are the kinds of car you'd buy in Europe whereas a Mustang... it's very "niche" market, although it'd look pretty fine in racing trim. I accept the Focus was a bad idea though :D

Will they have the option of using the DTM chassis that BMW/Merc/Audi are sharing or would they only be able to use that if they entered DTM? My only other thought for Ford is a Mondeo (or Mundane-o, but they're a lot better than they were), similar shape and target market (albeit the lower end).
 
TenEightyOne
The thing is... a BMW, Merc and Audi are the kinds of car you'd buy in Europe whereas a Mustang... it's very "niche" market, although it'd look pretty fine in racing trim. I accept the Focus was a bad idea though :D
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Surely it would be a good way to position the 'Stang against the 4 Series, the A/S/RS5, and the C Coupe.

TenEightyOne
Will they have the option of using the DTM chassis that BMW/Merc/Audi are sharing or would they only be able to use that if they entered DTM? My only other thought for Ford is a Mondeo (or Mundane-o, but they're a lot better than they were), similar shape and target market (albeit the lower end).
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I would imagine they can buy the chassis from Dallara, just as the German Trio do.
 
MatskiMonk
Surely it would be a good way to position the 'Stang against the 4 Series, the A/S/RS5, and the C Coupe.
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I know exactly what you mean... I just can't quite see it. Could the "brash" image of the Mustang (I kid you not when I say the only people who drive them round here are soccer players) actually be considered detrimental. And would making such a niche car as "ordinary prestige"* actually hurt that Mustang market a bit?


* Well I know what I mean...
 
TenEightyOne
I know exactly what you mean... I just can't quite see it. Could the "brash" image of the Mustang (I kid you not when I say the only people who drive them round here are soccer players) actually be considered detrimental. And would making such a niche car as "ordinary prestige"* actually hurt that Mustang market a bit?


* Well I know what I mean...
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Since I don't know where your 'round here' is.. I can't comment, but round here a new Mustang is like a special interest magazine, likely bought by someone very boring (ie. someone who is enough of an enthusiast to get one imported), that has a US flag up in their house, and eats in themed American diners such as 'Buddies'. But, either way I guess an argument exists that even if the 'Stang isn't positioned against the German (or Japanese) coupes, it still doesn't hurt to get it out infront of european race fans... some of who can be quite brash also :D
 
MatskiMonk
Since I don't know where your 'round here' is.. I can't comment, but round here a new Mustang is like a special interest magazine, likely bought by someone very boring (ie. someone who is enough of an enthusiast to get one imported), that has a US flag up in their house, and eats in themed American diners such as 'Buddies'. But, either way I guess an argument exists that even if the 'Stang isn't positioned against the German (or Japanese) coupes, it still doesn't hurt to get it out infront of european race fans... some of who can be quite brash also :D
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Just outside Wilmslow, it's as naff as anything, everyone's bright orange so they drive cars with tinted windows :)
 
Well I guess the mondeo wouldn't be such a weird fit with the 4 cylinder turbo idea, considering the Opel Vectra competed though as a V8
 
TDZdave
Well I guess the mondeo wouldn't be such a weird fit with the 4 cylinder turbo idea, considering the Opel Vectra competed though as a V8
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I'm pretty sure I've been dissuaded from the Focus idea... ( :D ) ... but V8 RWD Focii (Focuseses?) used to be a very popular conversion.
 

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