Erm, Is it just me???

[gt addict]

You can't make everyone happy. Personally I like gt5

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Sometimes the complaining only causes others to complain about the complaining, and that's what I complain about.

It's the way people present themselves. A lot of the times it comes off as disrespectful. I mean if some of these people had a conversation with Kaz, and demand things the way they do, it would be embarassing/rude. That's annoying, and that's why people stand up to it, not complain about it.

 

[nt1138]

I agree PD are trying.

👍 well said

 

[nt1138]

And? Of what value is this statement? Someone can post that they think turd sandwiches taste fantastic, but 99.9% of the population will still strongly disagree. The thing about personal opinions is that they aren't worth anything.

Based on the remainder of your post, it appears that you've chosen to focus on the parts you like and ignore the rest, and consequently you've decided that GT5 is "the best driving game/simulator of the lot". Using this philosophy, I can sell you a house of which 80% of it has been destroyed in a fire but we can choose to focus on the 20% that is still fine and label the house as being "the best house on the market" because the undamaged part of the house is fine.



1) It's the Internet. Sharing/voicing concerns/complaints is a big part of that. This is a place for communicating and that's what people are doing. They do that as an alternative to just playing Gran Turismo for sixteen consecutive hours every single day. Even folks that like the game still need a break to do other things, like voice opinions on message boards. Spending a handful of minutes posting on message boards doesn't mean they're "spending more time slagging PD than actually playing the game". They can spend twenty minutes "slagging PD" and still spend hours on GT5.

2) It's not so much about "bugs" as "missing features that really should have been there to be competitive versus the competition" or "poor design choices" and stuff like that.

3) Going back to my turd sandwich illustration, if people just ate the turd sandwich instead of hunting high and low to complain about the turd sandwich, it would still just be a turd sandwich. Just playing a game doesn't make a game become better. Just playing it doesn't add features to the game or change poor aspects of it. Rather, you're simply insisting that people just turn a blind eye; just ignore the broken bits.

People don't complain because they spent too little time playing the game. They don't complain because they spent more time complaining than playing. They complain because there's things to complain about. If there are things to complain about, complaints need to be made, because if the community is vocal about what's wrong with the game then if PD happens to pull their heads from their butts they might catch wind of those community feelings and perhaps improve on their product. Refusing to complain and just pretending everything is perfect is part of the problem rather than the solution. If I start kicking you in the crotch, will it do more good for you to complain that you have a problem with it or to pretend that you're happy with me kicking you in the crotch?

After reading all that this morning, i have come to the conclusion you know a lot about turd sandwiches and burning houses!!

I do get what you're saying, just seems that 99.9% of post on here are slamming the game for being one of your much loved turd sandwiches, if they think so little of it, buy an xbox and leave PD to it.

 

[nt1138]

People are just giving feedback and it's perfectly ok to complain if you aren't satisfied. I think a great majority of the users here complain because they want to see improvements for the future. Some people just fail at it because they aren't constructive with their critisism. I doubt anyone wants PD to rest on their laurels at this point. We're the customers so get over it.

I don't mind the critisism when people have a point, there are things that could be added and things that could be improved, seem like most people are just here because they want to piss and moan over everything

 

[Paddy05HDT]

My problem with GT5 is that it is in no way 'The Real Driving Simulator'. Thats all that needs to be said. If anyone can point out one thing that defines it as being a real driving simulator, I will change my opinion.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

I've been reading the post on here a while and just joined.

I know I sound like a miserable old sod but I think GT5 is the best driving game/simulator of the lot. I don't get why most of the people on here seem to spend more time slagging PD off than actually playing the game, yes there are bugs, and bits that need fine tuning, but if people just played it instead of hunting high and low for things to moan about they might enjoy it.

Rant over, shoot me down if you wish, but to be honest if you don't like the way PD do things, that 360 thing is cheap enough.

Cheers

I think its because there are so many things missing from previous GT games.
GT 5 might be a good game, compared its lacking tho.
Actually quite disappointing after such a long development time...


Might be just me, but im always thinking real GT fans would know this.

*shrugs*

 

[nt1138]

My problem with GT5 is that it is in no way 'The Real Driving Simulator'. Thats all that needs to be said. If anyone can point out one thing that defines it as being a real driving simulator, I will change my opinion.

I don't think anyone ever will make it "real" unfortunately, maybe they should drop that line from the box?

 

[vk56dehan]

And? Of what value is this statement? Someone can post that they think turd sandwiches taste fantastic, but 99.9% of the population will still strongly disagree. The thing about personal opinions is that they aren't worth anything.

Based on the remainder of your post, it appears that you've chosen to focus on the parts you like and ignore the rest, and consequently you've decided that GT5 is "the best driving game/simulator of the lot". Using this philosophy, I can sell you a house of which 80% of it has been destroyed in a fire but we can choose to focus on the 20% that is still fine and label the house as being "the best house on the market" because the undamaged part of the house is fine.



1) It's the Internet. Sharing/voicing concerns/complaints is a big part of that. This is a place for communicating and that's what people are doing. They do that as an alternative to just playing Gran Turismo for sixteen consecutive hours every single day. Even folks that like the game still need a break to do other things, like voice opinions on message boards. Spending a handful of minutes posting on message boards doesn't mean they're "spending more time slagging PD than actually playing the game". They can spend twenty minutes "slagging PD" and still spend hours on GT5.

2) It's not so much about "bugs" as "missing features that really should have been there to be competitive versus the competition" or "poor design choices" and stuff like that.

3) Going back to my turd sandwich illustration, if people just ate the turd sandwich instead of hunting high and low to complain about the turd sandwich, it would still just be a turd sandwich. Just playing a game doesn't make a game become better. Just playing it doesn't add features to the game or change poor aspects of it. Rather, you're simply insisting that people just turn a blind eye; just ignore the broken bits.

People don't complain because they spent too little time playing the game. They don't complain because they spent more time complaining than playing. They complain because there's things to complain about. If there are things to complain about, complaints need to be made, because if the community is vocal about what's wrong with the game then if PD happens to pull their heads from their butts they might catch wind of those community feelings and perhaps improve on their product. Refusing to complain and just pretending everything is perfect is part of the problem rather than the solution. If I start kicking you in the crotch, will it do more good for you to complain that you have a problem with it or to pretend that you're happy with me kicking you in the crotch?

Good stuff^^ I agree completely surprisingly enough. I tried to find something in this post to argue because GT5 is my favorite game, but I couldn't.

 

[Eject_21]

I bought the PS3 pretty much just to continue the Gran Turismo saga.
I have an X-box, and the Wii, But my first love is, and will always be, Gran Turismo.
Just ignore the whiners.

 

[Yip-man]

I have been playing GT Since GT1.. This is the first GT game I have bought a wheel for, and its added a whole new dimension to the game...

Played most of the Game (well up to Level 30 -32) cant remember exactly with DS3.

But I have enjoyed every moment of GT5, as much as the rest of them ( if not more).

Yes could have a few more a spec races, but seasonals are good, and who knows what the future holds for content.

 

[nt1138]

I have been playing GT Since GT1.. This is the first GT game I have bought a wheel for, and its added a whole new dimension to the game...

Played most of the Game (well up to Level 30 -32) cant remember exactly with DS3.

But I have enjoyed every moment of GT5, as much as the rest of them ( if not more).

Yes could have a few more a spec races, but seasonals are good, and who knows what the future holds for content.

👍 well said

 

[nt1138]

I bought the PS3 pretty much just to continue the Gran Turismo saga.
I have an X-box, and the Wii, But my first love is, and will always be, Gran Turismo.
Just ignore the whiners.

Exactly, I have the wii too, good to kill time on, but GT5 is the winner hands down, I don't mind people whining just not constantly.

 

[VetteZR1]

My question is if the whiners hate the game and PD so much why are they still playing and following the GT-5 forums? Been with GT-5 since Christmas and it seems like some of the hatters have moved on. GT-5 will be here for years so maybe some of the whiners will grow up with time.

 

[Spagetti69]

My question is if the whiners hate the game and PD so much why are they still playing and following the GT-5 forums? Been with GT-5 since Christmas and it seems like some of the hatters have moved on. GT-5 will be here for years so maybe some of the whiners will grow up with time.

As long as PD continue to add patches/updates I think all people are allowed to ask for what they want.

Once PD gives it the boot then asking or moaning about missing features is irrelevant.

Until then. Whine on everyone. 8^)

Oh better AI please Mr Kaz.

 

[JTpwnface]

Welcome to the site nt1138

They just don't like the game IMO.
Oh year Welcome to GTPlanet and your from Chesterfield!

I'm often coming from my chesterfield too

 

[PAWEL17]

I just took a 787B around the nurburgring, no aids(no seriously), and i have to tell you, i know now why they call it the "green hell". It makes you wonder, why some people bash on this game? I mean, sure it is lacking alot of peoples favourite tracks and cars, but still when you expierence something like i just did, you just think, "who cares!?" im having the time of my life.

So best just enjoy it, and leave the haters alone.

 

[snowxdadx3]

I agree with the op. Personally, I enjoy playing GT5. Am I a "hard core" gamer? Nope. Am I a "hard core" racer? Nope. Is GT5 a perfect "racing simulator"? Nope. Is GT5 fun? For me, Absolutely!!! $59.95 last Christmas, and I'm still playing. Challenging, frustrating at times, but still fun. And, in my opinion, PD is attempting to appease their customers, update after update, and all free.

 

[spunwicked]

They just don't like the game IMO.
Oh year Welcome to GTPlanet and your from Chesterfield!

That makes three of us 👍

 

[Landbergaren]

Its funny how the whiners always point out that they are "improving the game".

Interesting how the world works for them! Its exactly how it is at work then? I go around work all day and complaining to my colleges how bad my boss is and how much crap he should change for the better. And suddenly a big rainbow appears with a large unicorn riding on it and he turns everything for the better.
Its much better then actually coming with point out criticism towards the boss and trying to keep a good mood up among those who try to get along with their day at work...

Isn't it?

 

[tim_2shy4u]

Hooray for the ranters and ravers and PD's unique approach to keeping us involved. Leaving us to speculate on upcoming updates and patches. It's true they took too long to release the game and then released it unfinished (but very playable).
Is GT5 the worst console game of its genre...NO !
Can it be improved...Hell yes !.

The forums are a great place to get a feeling on how interesting a game is. (With and without its faults). You don't need to look very far either. Check out the forum boards on gtplanet for Forza , Dirt3 and Shift to see that the activity on those games came to a stand still within 3 months after their release. Forza's activity is the anticipation of its release.

 

[nt1138]

I agree with the op. Personally, I enjoy playing GT5. Am I a "hard core" gamer? Nope. Am I a "hard core" racer? Nope. Is GT5 a perfect "racing simulator"? Nope. Is GT5 fun? For me, Absolutely!!! $59.95 last Christmas, and I'm still playing. Challenging, frustrating at times, but still fun. And, in my opinion, PD is attempting to appease their customers, update after update, and all free.

Exactly, if people want a realistic drive, pass your driving test, for now enjoy it for what it is

 

[Tenacious D]

I completely agree with you. I think what happened was that gt4 was such a revolution that people were expecting something that a giant leap forward and yet as polished as gt4. The wait only made it worse and the longer pd took the higher peoples expectations got, so by the time it came out gt5 never stood a chance.

Well, it's not this.

GT4 is still a monumental game, and I miss playing it. I still recall the feeling of awe when I fired it up and went into GT Mode for the first time, saw the world map, and had no idea where to go first.

Being a long time Gran Turismo fan, I had high expectations for GT5 too. The problems with GT5 are mostly because Kazunori got strange experimental ideas that didn't work out well. The XP system is really messed up. We still have the license tests, which were GT's original concept for forcing you to experience how cars behave in various racing situations - braking, taking decreasing curves fast and all that. The license tests limited you to what you could do until you passed them. There was also the credit system, which meant you had to earn enough money to buy better rides and upgrades. Then they added the XP system on top of that, and it seems to make no sense. You need so much money and XP to buy cars, you need better cars and XP to enter races... it's just strange. It's an extra hurdle that makes no sense and serves no real purpose.

They came up with the paint chip system as a cute way to encourage car collecting, and once again, it's strange. The paint shop has no paint. Insterad, you have to buy, trade or win a car, which yields a chip good for one paint job, but if it's not a color you thought it was, too bad. Once again, the game forces you to jump through an unnecessary hoop to get you to collect cars, which a lot of us do anyway.

A-Spec Mode is very short, and it seems to be that way to encourage you to race in B-Spec Mode in order to win some of the great rides in the game. Unfortunately, "B-Spec Bob" seems to have the brain of a goat, because it takes a lot of yelling at him sometimes to get him to race as aggressively as we want. Which often makes B-Spec racing a hair pulling experience.

The online structure is only half built so far. There are no leaderboards for instance. Also, Race Mod is extremely limited. The awesome feature in GT2 we've been begging for for fifteen years now is limited to 17 cars! And the liveries are very basic, which the only choice you have is color on part of the car. There's also the whole uproar over Standard cars and tracks. I don't get why so many people have a puking fit over them. I know that many insist that you can't drive Standard cars in cockpit view because there isn't one. But I have to ask where these people have been for 10 years, when cockpit view was only found in a few racers, and it was terrible.

There are a lot of things that are missing or half-baked about GT5. There are about 10 or 15 things I would have done differently. Many of us would be happy if GT5 had GT4's structure of literally hundreds of races, along with online racing. Then again, just imagine the complaining that GT5 was nothing more than GT4 but with prettier graphics. These days, people seem impossible to please.

I welcome reasonable criticism and debate. It's the endless, senseless griping and complaining that got old months ago. There's no need for it, and some people deserve a good slap.

I will have to disagree that GT5 isn't a racing game, or that Kaz only got the street cars right. I've raced a number of other games, some great PC sims like GTR and rFactor, and GT5 makes them seem stale. I love the wealth of cars, Standards too. I love the wealth of tracks. Last weekend, I spent two days in Arcade Mode whipping around various tracks, saving replays for Photo Mode, and having the time of my life. Not once did a Super GT car feel wrong compared to my PC sims. The AI wasn't any more stupid than the bots in GTr, which create massive pileups in the first chicane on Monza, when they all try to bash their way through like little kids are behind the wheel.

I know a lot of people disagree, but I think GT5 is still the king of racers, and I don't expect Forza 4 to be any better when it comes to racing. That livery editor though, that should be sweet.

 

[Ghoa$t]

A lot of people jumped from GT4 to GT5, skipping GT5P as it was not a full fledged GT game. Going from GT4 --> GT5 is indeed a big leap and i can see why a lot of people are content with GT5, but to some that have been playing GT5P since Dec. 2007 GT5 did not live up to expectations. When you've had more fun/competition playing Prologue than you do with the full game its a bit of a let down. That's also why many have switched to iRacing.

 

[Exorcet]

My question is if the whiners hate the game and PD so much why are they still playing and following the GT-5 forums? Been with GT-5 since Christmas and it seems like some of the hatters have moved on. GT-5 will be here for years so maybe some of the whiners will grow up with time.

Because obviously no one hates GT.

point out criticism towards the boss and trying to keep a good mood up among those who try to get along with their day at work...

Isn't it?

Pretty much exactly what's being done. PD refuses to have direct communication with fans, so all the fans can do is list what's wrong, how to fix it, and hope PD's listens.

 

[Landbergaren]

Because obviously no one hates GT.


Pretty much exactly what's being done. PD refuses to have direct communication with fans, so all the fans can do is list what's wrong, how to fix it, and hope PD's listens.

No to the 2 examples I gave you are not the same
The whiners are the ones pointed out first. If you are trying to tell me that the whiners are close to the 2nd example than there is no hope I guess. Sad to see you guys ruining a good community
I'm pretty new here and I can tell you that when i first checked in here a couple of months ago this site looked to me nothing else but a place for kids who are having a beat down on one of my most beloved games. Gladly I looked pass those guys a little bit later and found some decent gt-lovers instead

 

[GoSpeedRacer]

Personally, I thoroughly enjoy GT5. I've played every one of them since GT1 and this latest version has some really good things. OK, a few not-so-good things, but with a little reading around here to find better ways of doing things in the game to enhance the users experience, one can certainly find more good than bad.

Some random tidbits about my enjoyment and tips on getting more out of the game. Just general in nature and not directed at any one person:

1. I love the online racing because I race with a semi-large group of friends on a regular basis. We are all there for the same reason, we like the same things, and we respect each other while racing and chatting. We run a variety of race types, from Shuffles to PP, and random one-make races. Online racing with friends is the best part of GT5 for me. 👍

2. A little tip on using paint chips. When you are in GT Auto, paint a car as many times as you like, until you find the color you want. Then, quit the game back to the XMB using the PS button. The game doesn't save until you exit GT Auto. This way, you can test any color on your car before you actually paint it. The one thing that you might have to do is refresh the thumbnail after you final paint it.

3. Always make a backup of your save game to a USB flash drive and backup after every session. In the long run, this will work to your advantage, in case you make a mistake with your last paint chip or buy a car you didn't need or even *GASP* find that you have corrupted your save game due to power outage or other.

4. Challenge yourself with A-spec and Seasonal races by choosing stock or near-stock cars to try and beat them with. Make the races more exciting and closer to realistic and I guarantee that you will have more fun racing them.

5. Don't let the cynicism or negativity of others ruin your experience. Some people are always doom and gloom. Some just like to cause grief for other people, even if they don't really have an opinion on a subject. Some like to look at things from a positive nauture. Everyday on here, one can read a veritable cornucopia of positive and negative information about this game. Like my mom always said, "Take what you want and leave the rest."

6. Have fun! If the game is no longer fun for you, then it's time to move on or find a different hobby. I agree certain things are a pain right now, like black screens, freezes, and other features that we would like to see work better or implemented, but all in all, PD has made quite a few good enhancements to the game so far and I think there is more to come. This game is not even a year old yet and already it's much better than it was when it came out.

The above is my opinion and just a few things about the game that make it fun for me. 👍

 

[Exorcet]

No to the 2 examples I gave you are not the same
The whiners are the ones pointed out first.

I know the examples were different. But there are no whiners. What's happening on GTP is the latter case. I don't really see much issue in "wishing threads" until someone comes in and claims that everyone is hurting PD's feelings/being inconsiderate. Even if people are just listing problems, that's enough to help. Of course the more detail the better, but not everything requires an essay, and not everyone wants to write one.

 

[PhillGuy]

I've been reading the post on here a while and just joined.

I know I sound like a miserable old sod but I think GT5 is the best driving game/simulator of the lot. I don't get why most of the people on here seem to spend more time slagging PD off than actually playing the game, yes there are bugs, and bits that need fine tuning, but if people just played it instead of hunting high and low for things to moan about they might enjoy it.


Rant over, shoot me down if you wish, but to be honest if you don't like the way PD do things, that 360 thing is cheap enough.

Cheers

Although GT5 and the GT series in general are my favorite games, I think there is no excuse for having us buy such a bug and error ridden game.

If Gran Turismo (and PD) want to be the best, it has to deliver more than just an excellent driving engine. The menus and game play should be flawless and seamless, nothing less.

 

[Landbergaren]

I know the examples were different. But there are no whiners. What's happening on GTP is the latter case. I don't really see much issue in "wishing threads" until someone comes in and claims that everyone is hurting PD's feelings/being inconsiderate. Even if people are just listing problems, that's enough to help. Of course the more detail the better, but not everything requires an essay, and not everyone wants to write one.

I'm sad to say though that the gt-bashers are ruining the fun for those of us actually playing the game and enjoying it. We come here to this gt-forum to share experiences and more. I welcome the criticism from those who put it down in a mature way. But I'm afraid that most of the gt-bashers cry like little kids wanting their lolypop in the super-market. Creating a bad community-experience for the rest of us.

And as far as "giving material/helping".. How many posts have PD made here? Maybe I'm just to fresh to know.