F1 Returns to USA - COTA - Bring on 2013!!

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All's well that ends well, right? Everything works out in the end and everyone is happy. Good news! I would've been very sad if the race were cancelled.
 
Thank goodness, I was worried about that for abit.
 
I hope I can can make it as well. I'm likely heading to UT Austin for my doctorate in 2013, so it'd be an excuse to 'visit'. Just hope I can afford the tickets.
 
Raikkonen and Grojsean to do Lotus demo run in Las Vegas
Friday, December 16, 2011 - http://www.f1zone.net/news/raikkonen-and-grojsean-to-do-lotus-demo-run-in-las-vegas/11085/

The Lotus F1 team is planning to hold a demonstration run with their Formula 1 cars in the streets of Las Vegas on February 18 and 19, 2012. The team’s new drivers, Kimi Raikkonen and Romain Grojsean will participate in the demonstration run, which will be held between the first and second winter testing sessions in Jerez and Barcelona.

The Lotus demonstration run is part of a three day event called “F1 comes to Vegas”, which will take place at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada from February 17-19. The event will also feature a Lotus car show which will showcase the entire range of Lotus sports cars, including the Lotus Evora GT4 and the Lotus T125 Exos.

The event also promises to include one-on-one interviews with the Lotus drivers, press conferences, autograph sessions, as well as passenger rides for VIP guests in a three-seater Lotus F1 car that has been specially adapted to take two passengers.

The Lotus event is intended to be part of a marketing strategy by the team to attract potential sponsors in the United States. Formula 1 will returning to the United States in 2012 to Austin, followed by the New York Grand Prix in 2013. Bernie Ecclestone has also said in the past that there should be ‘three or four’ races in the United States in the future.

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Hell yea!!! Vegas is only about 6 hours away from me, so I think I'll be going on a little road trip :D
 
Bernie said US wont embrace F1 thats insane
he wont give a chance. Heck TV coverage was live with good ratings for the most part US has NASCAR, we dont watch indy unless its the 500. I think the new circuit would bring lots of fans from the States and Mexico. the GPof America idea is perfect NYC skyline everything. Bernie needs to forget the Indy Fiasco and move on
 
I just noticed a problem

The US GP is scheduled for the 18th of November, do you guys know what else is that date ? If not, then it is the Ford 400, the Nascar Sprint Cup Series Finale.
 
What's your point?

Formula 1 isn't competing with NASCAR. It isn't trying to. It's aiming for a different demographic - motorsport fans who don't necessarily follow (or even like) NASCAR. Formula 1 would probably be as indecipherable to NASCAR fans as NASCAR is to Formula 1 fans.

vetteman24
Bernie said US wont embrace F1 thats insane
he wont give a chance.
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No, he didn't say that at all. He said that Formula 1 won't take hold in the United States because he is trying to cover an area of Europe with two race - when there are eight Grands Prix in Europe. If there were more races, the sport would have a better chance. It was in an interview with Al Jazeera, but the BBC trimmed it down from "Formula 1 will not succeed in America with only two races" to "Formula 1 will not succeed in America".
 
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Jahgee1124
I just noticed a problem

The US GP is scheduled for the 18th of November, do you guys know what else is that date ? If not, then it is the Ford 400, the Nascar Sprint Cup Series Finale.
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So whats your point?
 
prisonermonkeys
What's your point?

Formula 1 isn't competing with NASCAR. It isn't trying to. It's aiming for a different demographic - motorsport fans who don't necessarily follow (or even like) NASCAR. Formula 1 would probably be as indecipherable to NASCAR fans as NASCAR is to Formula 1 fans.
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That is probably the most asinine comment I've seen you make. And very insulting to both fans really. They're both quite easy to understand and I know several people (like me) that are fans of both series of racing and the junior leagues for both series as well. No one is claiming that they're trying to compete the point is it will be hard to see very many people going to F1 race that is more expensive than the nascar race season finale held in the same weekend. Especially if the F1 season is going like it did this year against a reoccuring 2011 Nascar season. I see more people wanting the Supercar V8s than the F1 race in Austin to be honest, and that is probably becasue it too is a racing series that is like the Nascar of Australia but on roadcourse/streetcourses. Open wheel racing in America has never been overly popular I mean look at the Indy series that is American based. Expense aside you have to look at the demographics, Auto Racing fans are more likely to go to a Nascar race than that of a F1 race just due to having a driver and fanbase that can relate as well as usually having more than one race near by during the year to go to. Arizona, for me I can go to PIR twice in the year, VIR 1 during the year, Sonoma, and the California oval. That is five races in the year, and the east coast has it even better. What part of F1 is indecipherable and equally what part of Nascar? Most fans have a harder time understanding Enudrance racing due to the different groups racing around each other than they do with these two series.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
No one is claiming that they're trying to compete the point is it will be hard to see very many people going to F1 race that is more expensive than the nascar race season finale held in the same weekend.
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Jahgee1124 implied it when he said having the Grand Prix and the NASCAR finale on the same day.

I was simply trying to demonstrate that Formula 1 and NASCAR are lile apples and oranges - sure, they're both categories of motorsport, but they are wildly different.
 
prisonermonkeys
Jahgee1124 implied it when he said having the Grand Prix and the NASCAR finale on the same day.

I was simply trying to demonstrate that Formula 1 and NASCAR are lile apples and oranges - sure, they're both categories of motorsport, but they are wildly different.
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Not to the point that you made it out to be.
 
Really?

NASCAR is a stock car series predominantly run on oval circuits. Formula 1 is an open-wheel series with purpose-built cars that does not race on ovals. Other than the fact that they are both a) racing cars and b) have four wheels, I'm seeing very little in the way of differences between the two. In fact, I cannot think of two racing series that are less alike, with the possible exception of Formula 1 and the WRC.
 
Isn't the Ford 400 a night race anyways? And since the F1 race will wrap up by 2:30, they shouldn't interfere with eachother.
 
I think Jahgee1124 is referring more to attendance figures than television viewers. It would be very difficult to get from Austin to Miami in time for the NASCAR race, even allowing for time differences.

That said, I've never understood why it is so critical that a race has a sell-out crowd. Sure, it's nice to have full stands, and it does spread the word a little - but 99% of Formula 1's audience will be watching on television.
 
prisonermonkeys
Really?

NASCAR is a stock car series predominantly run on oval circuits. Formula 1 is an open-wheel series with purpose-built cars that does not race on ovals. Other than the fact that they are both a) racing cars and b) have four wheels, I'm seeing very little in the way of differences between the two. In fact, I cannot think of two racing series that are less alike, with the possible exception of Formula 1 and the WRC.
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I think you're missing the point though. Just because they are "wildy different" forms of motorsports, doesn't mean a person can't have an equal amount of interest in both categories of motorsport, and have a hard time deciding on which event they rather attend. I for one hate NASCAR for the most part, so it's a easy decision for me (but that's just me!)

Too expand upon this idea even further, there are certainly a lot of people (many friends of mine) who are big fans of more than just one sport, and would have a hard time passing up a 49'ers football game for a Giant's baseball game, or vice versa...
 
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The Outlaw
Just because they are "wildy different" forms of motorsports, doesn't mean a person can't have an equal amount of interest in both categories of motorsport, and have a hard time deciding on which event they rather attend.
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And I'm not denying that. But just as saying "Formula 1 fans are not NASCAR fans (and vice versa)" is an over-generalisation, so too is saying "all Formula 1 fans are NASCAR fans (again, vice versa)". There is some cross-over, but Jahgee1124's post suggested that the US Grand Prix was destined to fail because of the clash with the race at Homestead-Miami.
 
I think your assuming a bit too much though - "Formula 1 would probably be as indecipherable to NASCAR fans as NASCAR is to Formula 1 fans." - Probably isn't fact...

I think Jahgee did bring up a fair enough point in that it will undoubtedly create a certain amount of cross conflict...how much, neither myself or you seem to know (maybe there is some type of statistical analysis on this though, that could give us a better picture)....which is the whole problem with trying to discredit him for bringing up the issue.

I didn't get the impression that Jahgee's post "suggests that the US Grand Prix was destined to fail because of the clash with the race at Homestead-Miami"...because there's nothing in his post that makes an accurate/clear suggestion to that extreme. And no, "I just noticed a problem" isn't quite enough, because a "problem" is a pretty vague adjective.
 
I said "Jaghee suggests", not "Jaghee says". The connotations of the word "suggests" are perhaps not as strong as "infers" or "implies", but they are certainly not the same as "says".
 
The thing is, Jaghee made quite an undefined comment ("I noticed a problem") of which you then translated into some jumbled interpretation, to win an un-winable argument. When you should have just asked, "what's your point?" and ended it there. Afterall, this isn't the "Give reasons as to why the 2012 US race will fail" thread.

I don't see how you can take his words - "I noticed a problem" and then interpret is as suggesting that "Jahgee1124's post suggested that the US Grand Prix was destined to fail because of the clash with the race at Homestead-Miami" - "Jahgee1124 implied it when he said having the Grand Prix and the NASCAR finale on the same day." Because none of us really have a clue as to what Jahgee really meant when he said "I notice a problem." For argument sake, hell who know's? Maybe he's a big motorsports fans and was planning to attend the Nascar sprint cup final and was hoping to go the F1 race as well, but then realized they were on the same day and was going to have to settle on attending just 1 of them...and wanted to express a bit of his dissapointed :lol:

Using "probably" and assumptions as to what a audience might like (with out any statistical data), doesn't help support your view either.
 
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So, you're telling me that I can't interpret Jahgee's post because I might add, remove or change meaning in it ... despite the fact that you regularly interpret my posts and add, remove and change the meaning of them?
 
I don't know that there will be too much of an issue, Homestead-Miami only seats 65,000 and usually NASCAR races are mostly attended by people that live in the state or the surrounding states. I don't know the planned seating figures for Austin, but I'm guessing with Texas having more states and Mexico bordering it there won't be much of a problem. Plus you have to take in the fact that (for 2012) there will only be 1 F1 race in the U.S. so it may make the decision easier for fans from other parts of the country to make the choice(where as all 36 NASCAR races are in the U.S.).

Of course the biggest variable in all this, is how big of a lead Vettel has in the standings at that point.:lol:
 
StockCarRacer
What if Formula 1 races on ovals?
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It won't. The FIA rules on circuit design prevent ovals from acquiring the necessary licence to host Formula 1. Formula 1 can race on a circuit with a banked corner, like Indianapolis, but only if that banking with within an acceptable range. It cannot race on a circuit that is completely banked.
 

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