F1 Winter Testing (2012)
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- mrvajj
It's funny how while they were "Stewart", they were actually pretty good, and then as soon as Jaguar/Ford took over, they went downhill.
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Well Stewart was an independent team but with substantial backing from Ford, with engine preferences over Minardi and Tyrrell for example.
You're right though, look at Stewart's rise to arguably the best of the rest at the end of 1999. Ford took a lovely pan of hot, Scottish broth that just needed to simmer at 80 degrees celsius, then clumsily boiled all the flavour away.
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It's as if Ford assumed they could just buy the team, come up with a snappy livery (and it was a good one) and the rest would sort itself out.
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Hiring Rahal was very risky. A gamble that just didn't pay off. Success running a team in the States doesn't translate to success in F1. I think what destroyed Rahal was when he failed to sign Adrian Newey. Newey agreed but Ron Dennis convinced him to stay at the last minute.
And Newey ended up at Red Bull anyway! Who knows how different things could have been for Jaguar if Newey went there 2001/2002.
And Newey ended up at Red Bull anyway! Who knows how different things could have been for Jaguar if Newey went there 2001/2002.
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They still would've had to get on top of all the reliability problems they seemed to endure, but I agree regarding Rahal, I remember thinking at the time it was an odd choice.
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Pupik
I think Bernie could have his own thread here. does he make the rules, no. but he does own F1, so part of me thinks there is a lot more than you think going on behind the scenes. he carries a lot of weight so when he doesnt like something or someone, he'll lean on it or them, and whatever he leans on inevitably breaks. he is more powerful than that FIA. feel free to argue that last point, but thats just how i see it.
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MazdaPrice
Yes the chips fall with whoever has Newey it seems. i dont know if it will ever get to the point where aero is NOT the most important aspect in developing a car, but as long as it still is the person who best understands it will triumph every time.
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He is only the CEO of FOM and owns 10% of it, would hardly call that owning it.
As long as FOM is just the promoter of F1, he isn't.
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Perfect example right there.
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I did read you just don't make as much sense sometimes
I can't wonder? It's a forum, not a inquisition, calm down.
As far as having it built...they did but when you fail a couple portion of the overall crash test you have to go back and fix it. So technically it has been built but needed adjustments to pass a crash test. Same goes to Marussia, if the chassis wasn't ready to go then what the hell did they use to test with? Also if HRT show up at the final test with the new car would that still not be ready to you?
Who made you the ambassador of F1 to make such claims? The era has long passed? It's been going on since the 70s onward, there is not a set era that this only happened. Yet it wasn't too professional back in the late 90s and early 2000s? Once again read opening line of this passage. I just want to know what technical information helps you come to the conclusions you arrive at. I gave you plenty of info to show they've been proactive in catching up to other teams, yet it doesn't seem to matter. Both teams are building their own chassis, which is a new experience so to expect them to build something that will pass with flying colors under brand new regulations is sort of laughable. Another reason why I don't give Ferrari too much negativity for failing because it's new.
Okay...sure I took the first shot, we'll go with that. I'm not emotional about it, I took my time to answer you and obviously am not losing sleep over it. It's just a forum and I know that you'll be snide and obviously from how many comments you made to this point that's just how it is. *shrugs*
^ This list right here shows what perspective people should really put things. I'd say Mastercard Lola was the worst, especially considering that it was a major sponsor. They were well beyond the 107% rule and the car created far more drag than downforce. At least the two teams being bashed have done much much better.
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"08:34 Beautiful little four wheel drift from Petrov as he exits the chicane ahead of the final corner."
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Seems so. This is what they have on the previous Barcelona test...
Looks like a baby spit up flow vis paint all over the car.
So they're running a jet turbine this year? GE being a sponsor it had to happen sooner or later.
Seriously though that is much bigger than the opening they had last year as well as the one red bull had.
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Unofficial Thursday test times from Barcelona:
1. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:23.252, 73 Laps
2. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:23.510, 64 Laps
3. Sergio Perez, Sauber, 1:23.820, 118 Laps
4. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 1:23.830, 102 Laps
5. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:23.992, 128 Laps
6. Jean-Eric Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:24.216, 113 Laps
7. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:24.305, 98 Laps
8. Felipe Masssa, Ferrari, 1:24.318, 105 Laps
9. Vitaly Petrov, Caterham, 1:24.876, 123 Laps
10. Pastor Maldonado, Williams, 1:25.587, 58 Laps
1. Romain Grosjean, Lotus, 1:23.252, 73 Laps
2. Jenson Button, McLaren, 1:23.510, 64 Laps
3. Sergio Perez, Sauber, 1:23.820, 118 Laps
4. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 1:23.830, 102 Laps
5. Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, 1:23.992, 128 Laps
6. Jean-Eric Vergne, Toro Rosso, 1:24.216, 113 Laps
7. Paul di Resta, Force India, 1:24.305, 98 Laps
8. Felipe Masssa, Ferrari, 1:24.318, 105 Laps
9. Vitaly Petrov, Caterham, 1:24.876, 123 Laps
10. Pastor Maldonado, Williams, 1:25.587, 58 Laps
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Wierd, the hole is larger than in the previous tests...
http://www.caterhamf1.com/gallery/2012/t02-barcelona-thursday-23rd-february-2012/vitaly-on-track-(2)
Edit: Sorry, don't know how to link pics.
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