Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Haven't played alot of gt5 since I got the csr-e but decided to play today since I found out about the new update and wow I forgot how much stronger the ffb is compared to forza and I decided to jump in the x2011 the ffb driving that car is insane haha

Also question for the csr-e owners out there are you guys running the fan on all the time or have it on auto?
 
I run it on to but playing gt5 for a few hours today is the first time I head the fans get loud, I guess since the ffb in forza isn't as strong the fans never needed to go on high or maybe I just didn't notice before.

Need to start getting into some pc games soon, only been playing forza and gt5 which has been awesome but would like to see how this wheel feels like on some of the pc titles also need to try f1 2011.

Since owning this wheel I've barely touched mw3 lol

Need to start saving money and make a trip to laguna seca in my s2000 and compare real life to gt5 and forza :) but that track is so expensive :( $300 for one day plus gas as its about 500miles away and the wear and tear on tires, brakes plus chances of destroying my car going past my limits is making it hard to pull the trigger even if I had the money
 
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Have a go of netkar pro it's much cheapness, you can even DL it as a demo first then pay to get the unlock code.

I'm really loving it at the mo, netkar and the Elite is just sim driving sex:tup:

Daz
 
Have a go of netkar pro it's much cheapness, you can even DL it as a demo first then pay to get the unlock code.

I'm really loving it at the mo, netkar and the Elite is just sim driving sex:tup:

Daz

Netkar pro is widely regarded as having some of the best ffb around so should be a good test of the elite.
 
Yeah that's what I used in my testing of the Elite for the most part.

I used netkar, GT Ledends, Iracing, F1 and forza 4 but mostly netkar. Netkar really shows the accuracy of the Elite and as you say the FFB is awesome.

Daz
 
It seems some of the retail wheels are having this issue.
One person commented to me their wheel had approx 1mm of movement at 9/3 positions so Left/Right and not top bottom.

The problem was the 4 screws inside the back of the wheel unit, in the end, as suggested. They were loose as a hooker down to her last bag of crack. Someone at the Chinese Fanatec plant has arthritis, it seems...

Now 'Locktited', the problem's sorted. Let's see how it goes...

Thanks guys (and particularly FCTaff).

I must say, having needed to perform this minor brain surgery 3 days after getting the wheel seems slightly odd. Is this the life of a Fanatec owner!?

I have to admit, I actually quite enjoyed it, although it did expose to me just how budget the rim is compared to the base. That said, there was no doubt a tactical price-point target to meet and I'm glad that the wheel was the weakest link, as we know that that can be upgraded down the line.
 
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I agree, the Elite for me is a game changer.

I have not enjoyed racing so much for the longest time. The accuracy is just staggering.. Your not just hitting the apex, you can hit a fly stood on the rumble strip. I know that sounds dramatic but really, the Elite makes me look good. I feel a bit like a racing god on netkar lol. I'm not but it makes me feel that way, Where you put it is where it go's.

Daz
 
Yeah that's what I used in my testing of the Elite for the most part.

I used netkar, GT Ledends, Iracing, F1 and forza 4 but mostly netkar. Netkar really shows the accuracy of the Elite and as you say the FFB is awesome.

Daz

nice! I play a lot of iRacing and some NetKarPro (still coming to terms with this game - it is difficult for me! :dunce: ) and I am always interested in hearing comments about the CSRE for these and other PC racing games!
 
I do have a little netkar on film with the Elite, I will try to edit it tomorrow.

It's only very short but shows the amazing accuracy of the Elite. You move the wheel 2mm and you get 2mm of movement in game. No lag just instant, it's the hardest thing to put into words on the Elite is it's accuracy. It's mind boggling.

As you can tell I'm in love with my Elite ;) you would have to prise it from my cold dead hand.

Daz
 
...would like to see how this wheel feels like on some of the pc titles also need to try f1 2011.

F1 is awesome with the Elite.

In fact SO awesome, it gave me an injury...

Doing a Time Trial at Melbourne, I think I've managed to pull a muscle in my neck with the strain of turning the wheel. I've since noticed that Thomas recommends dialling down the damping to -3. Now you tell me!

I'm 38 and have been playing driving games since the 70s ('Super Sprint' in the arcades), and in the last couple of days this wheel has given me some of my most memorable experiences in my entire video-gaming life (F1 on the 360 and a memorable GT5 kart race at the High Speed Ring).

Roll on the Holidays...
 
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Need to compare my Elite to you guys. F1 2011 on PC. When I'm cornering sometimes the ffb feels exactly the same as when I'm going over a rumble strip. Anyone else get this? Also I keep hearing everyone say their ffb is 'so smooth'. Mine doesn't really feel smooth in FM4. It's hard to explain but I get a rubbery strain kind of feeling through the wheel. Also appears to be a pretty big ffb deadzone in all games. This is with 715. Anyone else experienced similar issues?
 
Turn off you spring and set drp to -3 and see how that feels. It's all going to be down to settings I think.

The FFB is savage the steering is smooth.
 
Turn off you spring and set drp to -3 and see how that feels. It's all going to be down to settings I think.

The FFB is savage the steering is smooth.

Don't have the spring on and have tried with drp at -3 with the same result.
 
Need to compare my Elite to you guys. F1 2011 on PC. When I'm cornering sometimes the ffb feels exactly the same as when I'm going over a rumble strip. Anyone else get this? Also I keep hearing everyone say their ffb is 'so smooth'. Mine doesn't really feel smooth in FM4. It's hard to explain but I get a rubbery strain kind of feeling through the wheel. Also appears to be a pretty big ffb deadzone in all games. This is with 715. Anyone else experienced similar issues?

After playing FM4 for a while I notice a similar feeling when making slight steering corrections - The only way I was able to make it feel "proper" to me was to set Drift mode to 3 along with -3 DPR and -2 Spring (Which are the settings I settled on for my PWTS / GT2 for the same reasons)

With those settings it's closer to how it feels when I drive my car at the real track

Heres' my current FM4 config

SEN 360 | FFB 100 | SHO 100 | DRI 001 | ABS 085 | LIN 000 | DEA 000 | SPR -1 | DPR -3 | ACL ON

I absolutely LOVE the new ACL Feature!!! I race primarily online in the Cycled Production hopper (stock cars) where you need to use manual clutch to be competitive and it makes a huge difference for me as I was always missing shifts using the foot clutch and shifter - LOL Now I just use the paddle shifters and blip the throttle for perfect shifts every time - just like my real car - LOL! (M3 with SMG gearbox) 👍
 
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One more question...

I'm a Fanatec noob - Every setting (S_1-5) I have on my Elite has a slightly different centring position, and if I try to change it in PC mode, it just shifts them all by the same amount (3 degrees, say), rather than setting one position for all.

Is this normal? And if not, is there any way to resolve this?

Cheers,

Snotty
 
Well after my order was sent clear across the USA to the wrong customer It's finally been redirected and is due to arrive next week. If the screw up never happened I would have had it last friday. Oh well just have to be patient I guess
 
I received my CSR Elite tonight. It's an impressive wheel, but I haven't had time to fully put it through its paces. These are my initial, disorganized impressions.

The base unit is reassuringly heavy, made almost entirely of machined and cast aluminum. It looks like it's built to last. I'm not a big fan of the tomato red paint used on the sides. The paint application could have been better. It's not perfectly smooth. The black anodized face plate looks sharper. I wish the sides were anodized rather than painted, but I recently learned cast aluminum parts can't be anodized. Overall the base looks and feels like a quality product.

The steering wheel is a mixed bag. I'll start with the downsides. The rim is a significant step down from the stunning Alcantara wrapped GT2 wheel. The rim does have a satiny, soft touch rubber coating, and it feels nice, but it still doesn't feel anything like the sort of surface you'd find in an actual car. I also don't like the perfectly round cross section of the rim. I prefer the ergonomically sculpted cross section of the GT2 rim. The CSR-E rim is busy in its construction, with seams between each section of the wheel. This is the surface you'll be touching constantly, and I believe Fanatec should have considered different compromises to improve the tactile quality of the rim. Perhaps omit the genuine carbon fiber face, which is just for show (the real structure is in the aluminum spokes) and offer a full leather or Alcantara wrap. The current Alcantara "scraps" don't really cut it. At the very least I feel Fanatec should have gone with a proper rubber rim, such as on the T500 RS.

There's a lot to like about the new steering wheel too. First, the new paddle shifters are just awesome. They're big, firmly sprung, and offer the perfect amount of travel. Rubber stoppers are applied to both sides to cushion the action too. The ergonomics of the rim offer a nice balance of GT and formula design, and it works well for both applications. Since Fanatec wasn't trying to replicate an existing wheel, they didn't have to camouflage the controls, so the buttons are obvious and laid out fairly well, though I wish they were placed a little close to the edges. And while the new D-pad is really loose and floppy, it requires very little force to use, so navigating the tuning menu is a lot more pleasant. Finally, the new steering wheel is light, so it rotates very quickly and vibrations are transmitted more effectively.

In use the CSR Elite is an extraordinarily precise steering wheel. In every game I've tried so far (iRacing, F1 2011 for Windows, Forza Motorsport 4), I was very impressed with the steering accuracy. Fanatec touts their DirectSensor technology, and it's the real deal. The new steering mechanism is also very low drag, to the point where it may actually be too smooth and effortless when the motors aren't offering any resistance. I'm noticing this mainly because the current firmware (715) doesn't correct the rather large force feedback deadzone on center. (The inherent drag in the Porsche wheels seems to mask this.) No force feedback effects during gameplay seem to be transmitted while the steering wheel is straight (within about 10 degrees of center). In F1 2011, for example, if I run over the curbing while the wheel is straight, there's absolutely no feedback. With a bit of steering dialed in, to the point where I can feel some motor resistance, the curb effects are transmitted very effectively. I've also noticed in iRacing and Forza Motorsport 4 this feedback deadzone prevents the car from properly centering the steering at low speeds. I've heard firmware 717 corrects this, and I hope it does. There's a lot of inherent precision in this wheel, and I'd like to see it fully exploited with perfect on-center feel.

The force feedback from the CSR Elite is powerful, completely eclipsing the Porsche wheels. I can't imagine needing anything stronger. F1 2011 (Windows version) in particular is brutal, and in fact that may be a bug, as adjusting force feedback strength within the game doesn't seem to make a damn difference. The force feedback strength is immense, and combined with the current feedback deadzone with firmware 715, it's very difficult to drive. Forza Motorsport 4 and iRacing fare much better, showing a wide dynamic range of feedback. Combined with the smooth, low drag steering, I'm finding the challenge of counter-steering a real pleasure, even with drift mode turned off. With my GT2, I often ran drift at 1 or 2. The CSR Elite doesn't need it. There's still a bit of "grit" to the feedback effects. My guess is the motors may rotate in tiny steps, since the rest of the CSR Elite is designed to be incredibly precise, and the drive layout seems rock solid, with little room for slop.

A few other random thoughts: The fan is quiet and easy on the ears. The belts squeak a tiny bit, probably because they're ribbed, not toothed. Overall, the CSR Elite is a very quiet. I thought the GT2 was quiet, but this takes the cake.
 
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the pedals and clamp I needed to use my test wheel finally arrived!

I've been using it for the past 5 hours straight, and needless to say, it's fantastic. I'm now going to take raudi's suggestion and run a few laps in the CPHs...
 
sorry to everyone I hit in the CPH!

this force feedback is STRONG. I better turn it down a bit when I'm racing online...

other than the problem of the FFB motors being almost too good sometimes (such as when you drive a sagaris with TCS off and manual/clutch on, using all three pedals!), the only other thing I can really fault is the rim. I'd rather have the all alcantara rim from my GT2, but it's not so bad that it ruins the rest of the unbelievable experience for me. I was also surprised how much of a jump the CSR shifters were from the porsche shifters, but I wasn't really surprised with how amazing the CSR Elite pedals are. perfect, exactly how I expected it! I'm seriously wondering how the clubsport pedals can be much better...
 
I run the beta 717 and that dead spot is gone, or too small to notice. Every fw I have had has been a massive step forward. Can't wait to see where this wheel ends up.

If you really want to see the Elite at it's best download netkar pro demo or full game, it's cheap and the Elite is awesome with it.

Daz
 
I'm sure it is awesome with Netkar, I'll find out in a couple weeks for myself. BTW the T500 tames Netkar fairly handily.
 
Do you think there will be any limitations with Fanatec when designing a new wheel for the CSR Elite? I don't mean in terms of electronics (I know it won't hold up to the CSW), but more on the lines of button placements and layout of the wheel. For instance, does Microsoft have a say in what's to be featured in a newly design wheel rim since it's an Xbox licensed wheel (such as the Forza logo or xbox buttons that must imitate their placement on the official hand controller)? I'm not saying I'll be bothered by these terms, but it would be nice to actually have a totally redesigned wheel. I'm also guessing since there's vibrating motors in the wheel rim, future rims will likely be designed with the seam around the wheel. These were just things running through my mind and sorry if it was mentioned somewhere else or perhaps in the wrong thread.
 
I received my CSR Elite tonight. It's an impressive wheel, but I haven't had time to fully put it through its paces. These are my initial, disorganized impressions.

SNIP

Great write up and pretty much my thoughts on the wheel. A quick question though. In F1 2011 on PC, does the game recognise the CSR Elite? When using my PWTS I had the option in game to select the PWTS as the controller. With the CSR Elite the only option I have to select is either Keyboard or Custom. I have to create a custom controller to be able to use the CSR Elite.
 
Do you think there will be any limitations with Fanatec when designing a new wheel for the CSR Elite? I don't mean in terms of electronics (I know it won't hold up to the CSW), but more on the lines of button placements and layout of the wheel. For instance, does Microsoft have a say in what's to be featured in a newly design wheel since it's an Xbox licensed wheel (such as the Forza logo or xbox buttons that must imitate their placement on the official hand controller)? I'm not saying I'll be bothered by these terms, but it would be nice to actually have a totally redesigned wheel. I'm also guessing since there's vibrating motors in the wheel rim, future rims will likely be designed with the seam around the wheel. These were just things running through my mind and sorry if it was mentioned somewhere else or perhaps in the wrong thread.

There are definitely limitations when designing a wheel for the xbox. Buttons is one of the limitations, you can't have more buttons on the wheel than the xbox can handle for example. This is why Thomas created the CSW.
 
There are definitely limitations when designing a wheel for the xbox. Buttons is one of the limitations, you can't have more buttons on the wheel than the xbox can handle for example. This is why Thomas created the CSW.

But I'm wondering if they can design a wheel for the CSRE base without the intentions of being Xbox friendly. Like perhaps something on the side that has nothing to do with Microsoft Xbox licensing, and using the already built-in electronics to create any wheel they please. I hope Thomas will let us know the limitations of wheel design requests. Regardless though, the CSRE is still awesome! 👍
 
The problem was the 4 screws inside the back of the wheel unit, in the end, as suggested. They were loose as a hooker down to her last bag of crack. Someone at the Chinese Fanatec plant has arthritis, it seems...

Now 'Locktited', the problem's sorted. Let's see how it goes...

Thanks guys (and particularly FCTaff).

I must say, having needed to perform this minor brain surgery 3 days after getting the wheel seems slightly odd. Is this the life of a Fanatec owner!?

I have to admit, I actually quite enjoyed it, although it did expose to me just how budget the rim is compared to the base. That said, there was no doubt a tactical price-point target to meet and I'm glad that the wheel was the weakest link, as we know that that can be upgraded down the line.


Yeah that is odd, must of got missed in the factory. Surprised those internal screws in the rim housing were loose, but in the end then a simple fix sorted you out.

Perhaps in early 2012 Thomas will consider doing a Q/A or some form of survey to determine what type of rim to make next.
 
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