Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

[tribolik]

I'm not sure why people like Darin and "PAPA" don't just get over their bias of both products. The Elite is a great wheel, same with the T500RS.

Speaking of Darin's post, there's going to be Clubsport V2's? I thought that was just speculation? I've really been gone for a while. Take a few days absence and the world changes! I would definitely buy an upgrade kit for them, but I don't think I could justify another 200-however much it is for another pedal set when mine works just fine. I hope you decide to make an upgrade kit for current CSP users Thomas!

The thing is that he is bashing the Fanatec wheels and then reveals the Clubsport Pedals V2 wich he wasnt suppose to do... big epic fail and not very nice towards Fanatecs marketing strategy.

 

[AGP5000]

Just an idea Thomas.

Put some of your products to some simulator's/games that travel with the Nascar circuit yearly. I, for one would enjoy using a Fanatec wheel with the Nascar game/sim's they have at the track in lieu of a Madcatz MC2's, where I need to use the A button as gas........... That is good for 5 year olds. But, I am sure many my age 18-30 would enjoy trying out products such as yours at the Track with iRacing or Nascar the Glitch(Game)

-Good marketing/advertising with a minimal investment and risk involved. Have 1 guy there promoting and teaching potential clients/customers about the advantages and cool things about your products with sim racing at the Track. Have a small pamphlet/flyer with all of your gear and what it is compatible with. I see is a big mark missed by the sim community. On Friday & Saturday, there are a LOT of middle aged men there browsing and looking at gear/merchandise, wanting to try free stuff out. Those days are less crowded and you can garner more interest.

If I could afford to put something there and promote, I would not think twice right now. Again, my opinion, and I do not have the means to make it happen. Just would like to see it there and promoted more.

 

[LogiForce]

Well, to me what Darin did what made him seem biased was a lot of ass kissing. Well... I can tell you one thing, he rather then me. GROSS!!!

In all honesty guys, I have no clue why these two parties still communicate. The relationship was clearly heavily damaged and further communication between the two (especially in public) would only damage both parties further, probably even up to the point that it doesn't only harm their personally reputation but also of the companies they represent. I hope therefor that the two of them get back to being professional about this and think before they act, although I can understand both as even I tend to go into defense mode too quick when it concerns myself.

 

[AGP5000]

Well, to me what Darin did what made him seem biased was a lot of ass kissing. Well... I can tell you one thing, he rather then me. GROSS!!!

In all honesty guys, I have no clue why these two parties still communicate. The relationship was clearly heavily damaged and further communication between the two (especially in public) would only damage both parties further, probably even up to the point that it doesn't only harm their personally reputation but also of the companies they represent. I hope therefor that the two of them get back to being professional about this and think before they act, although I can understand both as even I tend to go into defense mode too quick when it concerns myself.

They should have had a Prenup........ This would all be resolved by now LOL

 

[thehawk05]

Anyone who's followed this with even minor interest surely realizes that Darin Gangi is behaving like a spoiled child who had his toy taken away. What's even more pathetic is his little group of followers on his forums believe the crap he spews when his integrity as a reviewer is shattered IMO. Darin embarrasses himself every time he talks these days about Fanatec. The beautiful thing about the internet is when someone does what Darin is doing everything he's typed or said on video is there for anybody to read/see and simply laugh at how pathetic a person he really is. It's amazing to compare the things he's saying now compared to his earlier view on Fanatec. Wasn't that long ago when the Elite was debuted at E3 that Darin was talking about how Thomas raised the bar and "stepped it up" with the Elite.........that it was closer to the ECCI and Frex than anything on the market...even his now seemingly beloved T500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-xDHdOHt44&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Same with his Forza wheel recommendations not so long ago when he said of the CSR E "you're not gonna get anything better...even on PS3 or PC" Honestly I don't know how he has any teeth left with how often he jams his foot in his mouth.

Quite funny that he had nothing but universal praise for Fanatec products but now everything "that guy" has marketed from past to present is unreliable, rushed to market garbage but his pedals are great and because he says those are good means he's not bashing Fanatec. Wow......really? Did you really just type that? It's amazing to read his verbal diarreaha and then ponder the thought that this a guy who's almost in his mid 40's behaving this way.

I will say this though and to me it speaks volumes. Thomas has been the bigger man in this situation and handled this situation far more professionally. Darin was the one who went public on his show and talked about the split and left little to the imagination that it wasn't amicable........quite the opposite of what Thomas posted on his blog about Darin leaving Endor. I don't care what happened, who's right or wrong. When you're a professional you don't let your feelings affect your behavior in the public eye and regardless of his issues with Thomas he shouldn't be saying jack**** about it. He should have left it at "I no longer work Fanatec....it just wasn't a good fit for me there" and be done......everything else is no ones business. But nope.....like a child he can't do that.......he has to thump his chest in some weak attempt to win public approval even though he has egg all over his face. To me its hilarious and lame that Thomas posts on his forum in a well worded and controlled retort to defend his company and little Hitler deletes it all and jusitifies it by not allowing "trolling" on "my" forum. The ego on this guy has gone right to his head. Character assassination can be fascinating to read/watch but especially so when the assassin is committing his own character suicide.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Just an idea Thomas.

Put some of your products to some simulator's/games that travel with the Nascar circuit yearly. I, for one would enjoy using a Fanatec wheel with the Nascar game/sim's they have at the track in lieu of a Madcatz MC2's, where I need to use the A button as gas........... That is good for 5 year olds. But, I am sure many my age 18-30 would enjoy trying out products such as yours at the Track with iRacing or Nascar the Glitch(Game)

-Good marketing/advertising with a minimal investment and risk involved. Have 1 guy there promoting and teaching potential clients/customers about the advantages and cool things about your products with sim racing at the Track. Have a small pamphlet/flyer with all of your gear and what it is compatible with. I see is a big mark missed by the sim community. On Friday & Saturday, there are a LOT of middle aged men there browsing and looking at gear/merchandise, wanting to try free stuff out. Those days are less crowded and you can garner more interest..

Just make sure whatever rig you use has a spittoon, an ashtray, and a cupholder big enough for a 2 liter of mountain dew/sundrop. kidding!!

 

[Mr Latte]

I'm not sure why people like Darin and "PAPA" don't just get over their bias of both products. The Elite is a great wheel, same with the T500RS.

Speaking of Darin's post, there's going to be Clubsport V2's? I thought that was just speculation? I've really been gone for a while. Take a few days absence and the world changes! I would definitely buy an upgrade kit for them, but I don't think I could justify another 200-however much it is for another pedal set when mine works just fine. I hope you decide to make an upgrade kit for current CSP users Thomas!

I think anyone that has good experience of both wheels/pedals would find benefits in each product, issues too and at least personal preferences. Neither is a bad product at all and in some cases depending on the buyers actual needs one may be the better purchase over the other.

Mr Gangi has really just become a fool and tarnished his own reputation, contradicting reviews he has done in the past and comments they made regards Fanatec products.

I guess the guy can say what he wants but I feel sorry for Shaun stuck in the middle of it all and if anything I would miss Shaun more than Darin from ISR as he is more likeable, less annoying yet more than capable of doing reviews. You kinda always feel Darin was running the show and always butted in talking over others at times too. Not perhaps the best partnership and now he's ruining all the work they have done getting to this point. It is a shame his actions have been the way they are and one day Im sure he will regret his comments and behaviour.

Personally I haven't watched one of their shows in almost 2 months. The best thing about the show was always sneak previews or the reviews of new hardware particularly Fanatec's.

Thomas gave these guys the seeds to make them popular with exclusive early beta products and Darin has just been going on what seems an ego trip. ISR is nothing special Darin as a show and your forums are very below par. They do little in most threads to grow their own community and I can remember the T500 release he would rather talk about it on i-racing forums than grow his actual own.

Thomas should maybe consider a future offering small re-sellars the ability to buy his products with a workable margin. They could promote, allow customers to gain access to the products at a local level on I guess a worldwide scale.

 

[tribolik]

Anyone who's followed this with even minor interest surely realizes that Darin Gangi is behaving like a spoiled child who had his toy taken away. What's even more pathetic is his little group of followers on his forums believe the crap he spews when his integrity as a reviewer is shattered IMO. Darin embarrasses himself every time he talks these days about Fanatec. The beautiful thing about the internet is when someone does what Darin is doing everything he's typed or said on video is there for anybody to read/see and simply laugh at how pathetic a person he really is. It's amazing to compare the things he's saying now compared to his earlier view on Fanatec. Wasn't that long ago when the Elite was debuted at E3 that Darin was talking about how Thomas raised the bar and "stepped it up" with the Elite.........that it was closer to the ECCI and Frex than anything on the market...even his now seemingly beloved T500.



Same with his Forza wheel recommendations not so long ago when he said of the CSR E "you're not gonna get anything better...even on PS3 or PC" Honestly I don't know how he has any teeth left with how often he jams his foot in his mouth.

Quite funny that he had nothing but universal praise for Fanatec products but now everything "that guy" has marketed from past to present is unreliable, rushed to market garbage but his pedals are great and because he says those are good means he's not bashing Fanatec. Wow......really? Did you really just type that? It's amazing to read his verbal diarreaha and then ponder the thought that this a guy who's almost in his mid 40's behaving this way.

I will say this though and to me it speaks volumes. Thomas has been the bigger man in this situation and handled this situation far more professionally. Darin was the one who went public on his show and talked about the split and left little to the imagination that it wasn't amicable........quite the opposite of what Thomas posted on his blog about Darin leaving Endor. I don't care what happened, who's right or wrong. When you're a professional you don't let your feelings affect your behavior in the public eye and regardless of his issues with Thomas he shouldn't be saying jack**** about it. He should have left it at "I no longer work Fanatec....it just wasn't a good fit for me there" and be done......everything else is no ones business. But nope.....like a child he can't do that.......he has to thump his chest in some weak attempt to win public approval even though he has egg all over his face. To me its hilarious and lame that Thomas posts on his forum in a well worded and controlled retort to defend his company and little Hitler deletes it all and jusitifies it by not allowing "trolling" on "my" forum. The ego on this guy has gone right to his head. Character assassination can be fascinating to read/watch but especially so when the assassin is committing his own character suicide.

He must have a short memory... or just doesnt realize how he comes across after his atitudes towards fanatec. And all this coming from a guy that was 100 times more biased towards Fanatec than the worst biased community reviewer from GTplanet.

On another note hit the pause button on the video and put it on the 1:00 mark (only works if you hit 1:00 mark with video paused probably full screen)

 

[Raitziger]

I would like the CS pedals to go to same holes on my inverted G25 setup. I just can't imagine me buying new products that can not be easily put to my ready-made cockpit. I know I am asking too much, but at least inverting should be easy

It is very nice that fanatec CSW will come with adapters to mount the thing to a same steering angle as with previous wheels. Many of us have tilted stands in our cockpits to an angle to counter the "odd" steering angle of turbo S and GT3 wheels and it would require extra work if new wheel does not come with same angle.

 

[lemansfanatic]

I would like the CS pedals to go to same holes on my inverted G25 setup. I just can't imagine me buying new products that can not be easily put to my ready-made cockpit. I know I am asking too much, but at least inverting should be easy

It is very nice that fanatec CSW will come with adapters to mount the thing to a same steering angle as with previous wheels. Many of us have tilted stands in our cockpits to an angle to counter the "odd" steering angle of turbo S and GT3 wheels and it would require extra work if new wheel does not come with same angle.

Yes this angle bracket was included with the elite as well and is a very sturdy, well constructed piece. they also have a drilling template for it which was handy for me. i built my own rig from scratch but because i had the template before it arrived all i had to do was open the box and bolt it right on. thanks fanatec!

 

[Fanatec...]

Our pleasure. I am glad you like it.

 

[Fanatec...]

Just an idea Thomas.

Put some of your products to some simulator's/games that travel with the Nascar circuit yearly. I, for one would enjoy using a Fanatec wheel with the Nascar game/sim's they have at the track in lieu of a Madcatz MC2's, where I need to use the A button as gas........... That is good for 5 year olds. But, I am sure many my age 18-30 would enjoy trying out products such as yours at the Track with iRacing or Nascar the Glitch(Game)

This is a good idea and we actually just equipped Team Chrysler with a cockpit. It is also very likely that you will see our cockpits on a F1 track very soon. And in the past we were present in many DTM races.

 

[AGP5000]

For the states! lol. I can respect that Thomas, and that is on the lines of what I was asking. Just, when does F1 or DTM come to the states? lol.

You could get an entire market that is left in the dark here, especially @ Nascar & Grand-Am / ALMS events. My opinion of course, but many would agree I feel.

 

[Fanatec...]

Chrysler is running at Nascar and not F1

 

[AGP5000]

Oh, it is part of the Grand-Am series. I just researched

Well, looks like I will have to head to the Glen this year to have a look-see! Thanks, but, you should still consider the main Nascar circuit, not just Grand-Am. There is MUCH more interest in that dept., that most are simply clueless as to what is available. Especially with online racing.

 

[sandboxgod]

He must have a short memory... or just doesnt realize how he comes across after his atitudes towards fanatec. And all this coming from a guy that was 100 times more biased towards Fanatec than the worst biased community reviewer from GTplanet.

On another note hit the pause button on the video and put it on the 1:00 mark (only works if you hit 1:00 mark with video paused probably full screen)

That's not true, Darrin was all behind T500rs when it came out and he said that was his wheel. I know for sure he used t500rs + CSP for iRacing

Now, after he became employed by Fanatec he wisely stayed behind the scenes til they had their falling out. Then he put Fanatec on blast at iRacing forums for a bit

I still watch some ISR material but only when it's an episode bout racing equipment or an interview. This way I won't get caught up.

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I love both my wheels although CSR-E is closer to my heart atm. I want to get a CSP v2 to go with my T500rs wheel (and soon will get an f1 wheel rim for it)

Trying to hold it down to wait on my formula rim for my csr-e. According to Latte might have to sit tight til E3

but if it comes out soon then I won't get the Thrustmaster f1 wheel rim

 

[LogiForce]

I get a feeling we might see a Chrysler Nascar rim for the CSW and maybe the CSR E in the future. As well as a F1 rim from McLaren maybe? Gotta love the silent hints from Mr. T from time to time. ghehe

On a side note... love the new McLaren F1 car design of this year's F1. ^_^

 

[porsche 9146]

a dodge NASCAR rim would be great, but if it happens, I think you should be working with keselowski, allmendinger, kligerman (who is a noted sim racer) and hornish on the marketing push for it.

 

[LogiForce]

Eh, Porsche... if Mr. T is supplying Team Chrysler with rigs then I doubt that they will get a Dodge deal to replicate their rim suddenly. Let alone that Team Chrysler will use them/put them on display with a Dodge wheel on the base.

 

[Simmpa]

He must have a short memory... or just doesnt realize how he comes across after his atitudes towards fanatec. And all this coming from a guy that was 100 times more biased towards Fanatec than the worst biased community reviewer from GTplanet.

On another note hit the pause button on the video and put it on the 1:00 mark (only works if you hit 1:00 mark with video paused probably full screen)

I don´t get it? I try to drag it to 1:00 but I can only go to 1:01. Whats the deal? Is it that Shaun is making a smug smile?

 

[AGP5000]

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[AGP5000]

This is a good idea and we actually just equipped Team Chrysler with a cockpit. It is also very likely that you will see our cockpits on a F1 track very soon. And in the past we were present in many DTM races.

Like Dale Earnhardt Jr said in the past: There are probably a thousand people in the stands every week, that on any given chance, could race with us and win.(Something close to that) But, they will never get the opportunity......

On that note: iRacing is a way for those who desire and crave the Nascar adrenaline,(like me) that can achieve some of that thrill on a budget. And, why not contour Fanatec to be the sim gear they use? Also, at times, you get to race the Brad Keselowski, or Timmy Hill, or Carl Edwards on iRacing on random nights...

But most that would be into something like this have NO clue how or where to start. Thus, a track presence semi-weekly(yes, I know what costs are included) would be something that might turn sim-racing up a notch or 2 with fanatics/enthusiasts. Especially related to Nascar. Grant you, my opinion/gut instinct here. Team Chevrolet already has a stand with 6 xbox consoles and Nascar the Game playing on it. But they use MadCatz MC2's. I just laugh as I go by......

 

[sandboxgod]

Note I do agree tho Darrin had totally 360'ed after his relationship with Fanatec went sour. Previously, as discussed, he proclaimed it was like God's own wheel.

But surely we all knew it would end bad cause no way would that help the show? Poor Shaun was sitting there trying to review wheels on his own. right then and there I knew it was over as we discussed in this thread. And in this thread and said it was a bad move for him to accept employment.

I did watch their review of that mad catz wheel and it wasn't too bad.

I just wouldn't trust them with anything in regards to Fanatec

 

[LogiForce]

@Sandboxgod: You do realize what you're saying I hope? 360 is full circle. So if he 360'ed "after the relationship went sour", it means that he was being an ass then got back to kiss ass and then being an ass again. However I reckon you mean that after he praised Fanatec products in public he made a 180 degree turn and totally bashed them (apart from the CSP V2 like he said).

 

[Spagetti69]

When he was hired, what was Darin's position in Fanatec?

 

[paskowitz]

Hey Thomas, just out of curiosity what do you think is the absolute cheapest you could make a FFB wheel with pedals if mass produced (ie total quantity produced >5,000)?

Just my two cents, I do not think Darin Gangi is even worth talking about. Lets just let him fade into the obscurity of forgotten history.

 

[Mahnegold]

I would not judge whether Darin or Thomas is the bad guy. One of them behaves more aggressive than the other one. But does it makes him guilty? None of us knows, what has happened behind closed doors. Both of them might have good reasons for acting as they do/did. They have different temprament and maybe one is a better actor than the other one. Who knows?

This does not mean, that I defend Darins postings or any other action. But I also do not give too much in Thomas' postings just because he stays calm.

I agree, that my impression was also that ISR was very much supporting Fanatec. Name it beeing biased or not. It's also true that they were very much excited, when reviewing the T500. One of my favourite shows btw. I also had the impression, when watching the X-Box wheel buyers guide, that this could have also been a Fanatec advertising show.

On the other hand I also have doubts about some of Fanatec's actions. For example the poll "what wheel would you like to see next from Fanatec?" (after release of T500 on Thomas' blog), or the community tests and so on...

Darin and Thomas are not my friends, just because I can get in contact with them here/at ISR forum. One is just making shows, which I like to see sometimes more, sometimes less. The other one is CEO of a company, which is taking my hard earned money for some nice hardware, which isn't always perfect.

But again, as long as I do not know what happened, I will look at it as a neutral spectator. Darin and Thomas are just not important enough for me.

I was one of the few in ISR-Forum that didn't congratulate Darin for becoming a Fanatec representative. For me it was wrong from the very beginning. I am not happy, that I was right with my bad feeling. Now we see the result.

Hmmm, I guess I went totally off topic now....

My point was just: don't judge too fast. It might not always be as clear as it seems to be... For a conflict you always need 2 parties.

Best regards!

 

[Spagetti69]

^I like your comment and wholeheartedly agree with you.

 

[porsche 9146]

Eh, Porsche... if Mr. T is supplying Team Chrysler with rigs then I doubt that they will get a Dodge deal to replicate their rim suddenly. Let alone that Team Chrysler will use them/put them on display with a Dodge wheel on the base.

the chryslers entered in NASCAR are all dodges.....

 

[LogiForce]

the chryslers entered in NASCAR are all dodges.....

Aaah, learned another thing. I am a European guy. So i'm more of a F1, DTM, Rally guy.

Does anyone have a pic of the steering wheel in this years cars then?