Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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Nope it's twice the power from memory 2.5 onGT2 5 on the elite.

Your wheel movement is probs just lose bolts on the hub, it can feel like a lose shaft. It's a two minute fix and is a good way to explore your elite a little ready for the wheel swaps.

Wheel off.. two bolts on the back, unclip two sets of wires, a spot of thread lock on the bolts holding the boss to the input shaft, nip up..... Job done... If I can do it, anyone can ;)
 
Going by the instructions for the 715 Firmware update, they specify in the system requirements that you have to have Vista or Win 7. I thought this could be done on XP???
 
Going by the instructions for the 715 Firmware update, they specify in the system requirements that you have to have Vista or Win 7. I thought this could be done on XP???

I updated my CSR-E using a WinXP laptop that I had used previously to update my PWTS - worked fine with the 32bit app!
 
Going by the instructions for the 715 Firmware update, they specify in the system requirements that you have to have Vista or Win 7. I thought this could be done on XP???

I reckon it can. Can you start the updater at all? If so then you can probably update as well. But if you want to be sure have someone else confirm who has a Fanatec wheel unlike myself.

This is the new firmware updater that has been made compatible with the newer Windows versions as well. Also it has been made easier to update the firmware. At least that's what I read from the chatter about it.
 
FCT, if that reply is to me, I can actually see everything move, even the thing that says Fanatec on the inside. I know it's hard to see in the video I made, but there is movement all the way through the shaft.
 
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Nope it's twice the power from memory 2.5 onGT2 5 on the elite.

Your wheel movement is probs just lose bolts on the hub, it can feel like a lose shaft. It's a two minute fix and is a good way to explore your elite a little ready for the wheel swaps.

Wheel off.. two bolts on the back, unclip two sets of wires, a spot of thread lock on the bolts holding the boss to the input shaft, nip up..... Job done... If I can do it, anyone can ;)

Sounds Fantastic lol.

Discount for buying in Kit form too?
 
Is there going to be an Elite value bundle with pedals? The one thing that is keeping me from ordering is the price constantly being different. The first pre-order was $499 for the wheel. Now it's $539. There was a CSR with CSRE pedals and now the CSR with CSR. How about CSRE with the CSP or CSRE?

Why are we forced an ala-carte menu?

Also is Windows required for updates? I have a Mac.
 
Is there going to be an Elite value bundle with pedals? The one thing that is keeping me from ordering is the price constantly being different. The first pre-order was $499 for the wheel. Now it's $539. There was a CSR with CSRE pedals and now the CSR with CSR. How about CSRE with the CSP or CSRE?

Why are we forced an ala-carte menu?

Depends on your priorities. Are you willing to wait? Price went to $539 on the first two shipments since they bypassed the slow boat from China to get them distributed before Xmas. If you're not in a hurry I'm sure the rush to get them from first adopters like me will slow down and they may offer a bundle in the future, but for now I don't think selling them is a problem so discounts probably will have to wait...
 
i agree by early next year price will probably drop to $499 and im sure they will start offering up more bundles in the future but will probably be limited specials.

all comes up to your situation and patience. I for one could not wait :dunce:
 
Are they going to drop the GT2 price soon?

It's been superseded by the CSR but still retails for the same price.
 
Are they going to drop the GT2 price soon?

It's been superseded by the CSR but still retails for the same price.

Thomas stated a little while back that since the GT2 sales are still substantial, that he and his investors see no need to drop the price. I tend to agree here, the GT2 is a very high quality wheel.

IMHO, more than the CSR(base and rim) or Elite's rim, not base, of course.
 
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Thomas stated a little while back that since the GT2 sales are still substantial, that he and his investors see no need to drop the price. I tend to agree here, the GT2 is a very high quality wheel.

IMHO, more than the CSR(base and rim) or Elite's rim, not base, of course.

Well I can see why if their selling like hot cakes.

Members here who have both wheels say its a leap forward both aesthetically and the inner electronics and such.

By that margin I feel the GT2 is over priced for old tech.

I commented on the CSR being a
re skinned GT2.
It was pointed out to me that, that is far from the case. If anything the GT2 is a re skin of the PWTS, which is quite old now in this niche market.
The GT2 being priced the same as a CSR doesn't reflect that to the consumer.


Any know about the Rim issues but I've not heard a reason that the Base of the CSR could be considered inferior.
What makes you say that?
 
Well I can see why if their selling like hot cakes.

Members here who have both wheels say its a leap forward both aesthetically and the inner electronics and such.

By that margin I feel the GT2 is over priced for old tech.

I commented on the CSR being a
re skinned GT2.
It was pointed out to me that, that is far from the case. If anything the GT2 is a re skin of the PWTS, which is quite old now in this niche market.
The GT2 being priced the same as a CSR doesn't reflect that to the consumer.


Any know about the Rim issues but I've not heard a reason that the Base of the CSR could be considered inferior.
What makes you say that?

I NEVER meant the base of the CSR was inferior, just pretty much the same tech as the GT2 with a few very minor things supposedly resolved. Sorry if you took it that way Get. So, with that being said, its basically preference of rim for either the GT2 to CSR. That is what I meant by that.

As for the Elite rim, I have seen several videos and reviews that pretty much all align. All saying the base and FFB are second to none amazing. BUT, what were they thinking with this rim? Seems rather flimsy and made to be light in a cheap manner.

This made me wonder. Thomas already has stated the CSW will be +-450 for the base, and +-150 for each rim. So, the fact that the elite has the SAME base as the CSW, it seems rather obvious as to why the Elite's rim was made rather thrifty to compensate for the cost. At the point of price, why not just charge $600 and put a rim worthy to be on it? Especially for what we are already investing into.....

I am sure that after this run, the rim will almost but certain be revised/changed for the elite. It makes NO sense, again ALL imho of course to make a base like that and put a half-assed rim on it. To ME, that is what seemed to occur here.

Again, I do NOT personally have one, but am taking from several credible resources on my opinion. That is why I am happy I did NOT pull the trigger on the elite and wait for the CSW.
 
Cheers Ant.

Seems there's not a world of difference between the GT2 & CSR. As the price reflects.

Would love the Paddles of it though lol.
 
That's the funny thing to me. I personally have NO issue with the GT2 paddles. Even though they do not have that defined "click" I never miss or double a shift. BUT, I do not use the paddles that came with the GT2. I am using ones that came with the GT3 or Turbo S. They are slightly smaller and have NO dead-zone like the larger paddles do.
 
Doesn't feel like the wheel, feels like the shaft. if you push and pull on the wheel, the whole shaft assembly moves slightly. Here's a vid, kind of hard to see, phone wouldn't focus. Watch in full screen to see it better. http://youtu.be/RCgC1EQqGDU

That looks like the drive shaft is shifting. That will cause a slight shift when hitting the limits lock to lock and may affect the optical sensor. My CSR-E has no play whatsoever, so I think your wheel is not in perfect order. If it was my wheel, I'd take the cover off and have a poke around, but I also don't mind doing that sort of thing.

My take? It's a defect in assembly and you should contact Fanatec about getting it sorted.

Members here who have both wheels say its a leap forward both aesthetically and the inner electronics and such.

By that margin I feel the GT2 is over priced for old tech.

I commented on the CSR being a re skinned GT2. It was pointed out to me that, that is far from the case. If anything the GT2 is a re skin of the PWTS, which is quite old now in this niche market. The GT2 being priced the same as a CSR doesn't reflect that to the consumer.

Any know about the Rim issues but I've not heard a reason that the Base of the CSR could be considered inferior.

What makes you say that?

Aesthetically I'm not sure the CSR style is the new hotness, but that's subjective. I've read several comments from end users and Thomas that the feedback from the new wheel is faster and that it's a bit more responsive in use. I don't doubt it's been revised and improved.

I think it's safe to say the PWTS, GT3RS, GT2, and CSR are more similar than different in electronics and force feedback. ISR mentioned that the GT2 feels like the PWTS and GT3RS had a baby. I think that's accurate. The CSR is just a further refinement, and a way to sell developed and mature products at a healthy profit and at a target price point.

I had and since bartered away a PWTS, and now I have a GT2 and a CSR Elite, so I feel qualified to comment on all the rims. The PWTS and GT2 performed pretty much identically, with slight refinements to buttons and paddles. The GT2 rim is the best of the bunch, by far. It feels really good, and it feels premium. It's shaped, padded, and wrapped to feel almost like it was ripped from a real Porsche. The CSR Elite rim is perfectly adequate, but it definitely seems like the base and the internals were built to a very high standard, and then Fanatec had to find a way to provide a functional wheel with tangible improvements in some areas (buttons, paddle shifters, weight), while staying under the remaining budget.

Given that the CSR offers much better paddle shifters and refinements to the internals, and that the GT2 has a luxurious wheel rim and a wireless USB option, I think they can stay at the same price for a while.

That's the funny thing to me. I personally have NO issue with the GT2 paddles. Even though they do not have that defined "click" I never miss or double a shift. BUT, I do not use the paddles that came with the GT2. I am using ones that came with the GT3 or Turbo S. They are slightly smaller and have NO dead-zone like the larger paddles do.

In practice I agree, but since the GT2 feels so much like an actual car rim and the paddles don't, I think they let the wheel down a bit. A GT2 rim with CSR paddles would be just about perfect IMHO.
 
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just an FYI... I noticed a wrinkle starting to form in the alcantara area of the left palm portion of the wheel. LAAAAAME. Only had the wheel for 2 days.
 
Don't gets wrong I never miss a shift.
My G27 paddles though make a nice audible click and feel superb in comparison.

They are better than my old MS wheel efforts. Guess I got spoiled in my G27 era.
If I hadn't used a G27 I suppose these would be my best experience too.

Edit 12th gear I can agree with your summary mate.
 
Don't gets wrong I never miss a shift.
My G27 paddles though make a nice audible click and feel superb in comparison.

They are better than my old MS wheel efforts. Guess I got spoiled in my G27 era.
If I hadn't used a G27 I suppose these would be my best experience too.

Edit 12th gear I can agree with your summary mate.

I prefer the DFGT buttons over the G27 paddles but that is most likely just me ;).
 
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I prefer the DFGT buttons over the G27 paddles but that is most likely just me ;).

Oh I've had a DFGT. Buttons were ok I suppose. Just prefer paddles tbh.
 
I don't see a problem with the rim.. from gameplay you generally hold at 3-9 anyway unless your losing control badly or drifting
 
just an FYI... I noticed a wrinkle starting to form in the alcantara area of the left palm portion of the wheel. LAAAAAME. Only had the wheel for 2 days.

Just FYI....

From my experience racing real cars, Alcantara does NOT wear very well and will fade, wrinkle, and harden over time by using it with your bare hands. Alcantara on steering wheels works best with racing gloves as well. I know you might feel silly wearing gloves for a video game, but it will extend the life of the fabric and give you even better grip in the mean time.
 
Oh I've had a DFGT. Buttons were ok I suppose. Just prefer paddles tbh.
I didn't like the lack of speed in shifting with the paddles in the G27 using say the X2010. Apart from that I think they are really good though but the DFGT buttons it seems easier to shift down and up that fraction quicker while knowing you are in the right gear. For any road car though it doesn't really matter that extra speed due to less travel on the DFGT buttons. I guess the older Fanatec wheels has similar response like the DFGT as standard but CSR is similar to the G27 which I guess is better for most.


About the rim of the CSR and CSRE, I personally don't like the button layout, it does seem they could make it more ergonomic for people who require using the buttons while driving. The DFGT has a better layout IMO. I'm personally hoping Fanatec make a wheel with a better button layout then I think I might get one due to the 360 support and it having the direction keys on the wheel like my DFGT has and that this is something I don't like about the G27.
 
LOL.

Don't "roid rage" on the steering wheel and you'll be fine. :sly:

True. I've put some stress on my wheel and I'd really have to exert a lot of force to deform it like that. I do think the CSR Elite will make this more apparent. The steering system and internals are very stiff since the construction is entirely metal. It exposes the next weakest link, which is the steering wheel. The Porsche and standard CSR internals are constructed with a mix of plastic and a metal internal frame. There's more give throughout the system.
 
Lol you can see how much force he is putting on it. Look at his wrists and arms flexing and straining.

Dear Thomas I was just levering my wheel with a crowbar and it flexes WTF ?:dopey:

Daz
 
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