Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Extreme Wheel

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super_gt
Wait and see.:)
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I'm warming up the popcorn šŸ˜…
I'm curious if you can play with the Fullforce effects (road effects, RPM) or if there's a preset signal in the game that you can only increase from 0/100.
Although, seeing as FFB only has two settings in the game, I imagine it's the second option šŸ¤£šŸ¤£
 
M Stark
True! They really need to rethink FFB for GT8. I donā€™t need 8 billion sliders like some other games but 2 is a joke.
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and working on cars with high downforce that feel strange and the FFB when you reach a certain degree of steering input there is no FFB (only turning force)
 
So the DD+ was released in February 2024. It's now December 2025. Twenty months later, they tease "Full Force Coming Soon to GT7" Bro...20 months later is not coming soon. It's coming LATE. :lol: Instead their marketing department should be teasing..."Finally coming. We think? We promise! Well, we hope to GT7" The Spec III update drops tomorrow. Doubtful Full Force will be active. But sure, Christmas miracles are a thing. Also, anyone not on the latest DD+ firmware may need to update, but maybe not for FULL FORCE to be optimized. Allegedly, Fanatec may or may not release a new driver APP update sometime next week. (According to their official forums) Fanatec tends to be late on expected releases. Anyway, if they do release a new firmware that better optimizes FULL FORCE with GT7, you won't be able to update using the old CONTROL PANEL. You will need to use their new buggy app (which they themselves admit is buggy) to update any firmware that is newer than PC Driver 474 that has the last update for all their bases.

I for one would like to finally try Full Force on GT-7. I'm hoping it adds some kind of road and curb texture that currently does not exist in the game like it does in Le Mans Ultimate.
 
And in the update release notes we haveā€¦

4. Steering Controllers

怀- Added simulated friction on certain force feedback steering wheel controllers to bring the steering feel closer to the one of the real car. When turning the wheel, smooth resistance can be felt;
怀- Enabled FullForce feedback effects on the FanatecĀ® GT DD Extreme. If you experience any issues with this feature, please try the following solutions:
ć€€ć€€ćƒ»Set 'Options' > 'Controllers' > 'Vibration function (P1)' to 'Off.' (This will disable FullForce feedback.)
ć€€ć€€ćƒ»Update your steering controller to the latest firmware. (Please consult manufacturer support for firmware updates.)
怀- Disabled the rotary encoders of the FanatecĀ® GT DD Extreme wheel due to inputs registered unintentionally.

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Kaz:

ā€œWe have worked on compatibility with the Fanatec FullForce technology, and have optimized the settings for each car. The players will now be able to feel rich and accurate information from road surfaces, tires, and the suspension through the steering wheel. We hope you experience the unique characteristics of each car from the wide variety made available in Gran Turismo.ā€


Looking forward to testing it out tonight...
 
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bliprunner
Kaz:

ā€œWe have worked on compatibility with the Fanatec FullForce technology, and have optimized the settings for each car. The players will now be able to feel rich and accurate information from road surfaces, tires, and the suspension through the steering wheel. We hope you experience the unique characteristics of each car from the wide variety made available in Gran Turismo.ā€


Looking forward to testing it out tonight...
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So G Pro True Force now is worse in comparison? As its implied they did this work only for Full Force. Or they did this work for any manu that had their own type of proprietary FFB?

I have a friend that has a t598 and he said FFB changed for him. And the T598 dont have this extra FFB, only the TGT. So there is even a possibility that they changed FFB overall, without any specifics for Fanatec, Logitech or whatsoever
 
effenberg
So G Pro True Force now is worse in comparison? As its implied they did this work only for Full Force. Or they did this work for any manu that had their own type of proprietary FFB?

I have a friend that has a t598 and he said FFB changed for him. And the T598 dont have this extra FFB, only the TGT. So there is even a possibility that they changed FFB overall, without any specifics for Fanatec, Logitech or whatsoever
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Nobody has actually said how it feels compared to True Force, I'm pretty sure they said a similar thing about that when it was enabled. Hopefully Full Force is just as good as True Force because a lot of people seem to like it (at least for immersion, maybe not extra speed).

The update notes also say
怀- Added simulated friction on certain force feedback steering wheel controllers to bring the steering feel closer to the one of the real car. When turning the wheel, smooth resistance can be felt;

so that might be what your friend is feeling. Maybe check out the Thrustmaster forums.
 
bliprunner
Nobody has actually said how it feels compared to True Force, I'm pretty sure they said a similar thing about that when it was enabled. Hopefully Full Force is just as good as True Force because a lot of people seem to like it (at least for immersion, maybe not extra speed).

The update notes also say
怀- Added simulated friction on certain force feedback steering wheel controllers to bring the steering feel closer to the one of the real car. When turning the wheel, smooth resistance can be felt;

so that might be what your friend is feeling. Maybe check out the Thrustmaster forums.
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Kaz implied it:
bliprunner
We have worked on compatibility with the Fanatec FullForce technology, and have optimized the settings for each car.
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I dont remember the same being said when True Force was released.

So this implies that:

1) Logitech did things on their own when they released True Force, without PD help
2) Fanatec in the other hand did had PD direct help
3) Even if Logitech had help before, for this update it seems that PD only helped Fanatec, so Logitech is outdated

And those 3 things implies that True Force will be worse than Full Force from now on.

But maybe PD did help Logitech before and even now, they only didn't explicitly stated cause the PD contract is with Fanatec, and they are obligated to talk like Fanatec is the best thing evah.
 
Having given fullforce a try just now, I have to say it's pretty good. Not revolutionary, but definitely a step up.
Smaller details are now more present, and things like understeer and oversteer feel a bit more natural.
As a small bonus, you can now hear the effect of driving over rumble strips, as the FFB makes some noise šŸ˜‚
 
effenberg
1) Logitech did things on their own when they released True Force, without PD help
2) Fanatec in the other hand did had PD direct help
3) Even if Logitech had help before, for this update it seems that PD only helped Fanatec, so Logitech is outdated

And those 3 things implies that True Force will be worse than Full Force from now on.
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Feels like assumptions to me. You don't know 1, and if 3, it only means PD helped Fanatec for their last update. It says nothing about Logitech being good or not. I can't compare both, so I don't have any definitive answer. Maybe TrueForce is good, and now Fanatec can offer something similar. Maybe one is better than the other. But the fact that Fanatec is offering it later does not mean much in terms of it being better or not.
 
This morning, after the maintenance, I jumped on for a test, to see if anything felt 'different' with FullForce available. I'm sure I was feeling additional feedback through the wheel that wasn't there before, but it's not possible to back-to-back test. The release notes state that setting the controller vibration to Off disables FullForce, so I tried this as a test. I felt no difference between Vibration On and Off so I can only assume what I'm feeling is the generic 'Added simulated friction' in this update. I'm certainly not feeling any additional vibration based around engine speed, as Kireth described in his YouTube vid, when testing FullForce in iRacing.
What sort of extra feedback is everyone else experiencing? Am I missing something? Do i need to be on a particular Driver/Firmware version on my Clubsport DD+ base?

All feedback greatly received...
 
Akers
This morning, after the maintenance, I jumped on for a test, to see if anything felt 'different' with FullForce available. I'm sure I was feeling additional feedback through the wheel that wasn't there before, but it's not possible to back-to-back test. The release notes state that setting the controller vibration to Off disables FullForce, so I tried this as a test. I felt no difference between Vibration On and Off so I can only assume what I'm feeling is the generic 'Added simulated friction' in this update. I'm certainly not feeling any additional vibration based around engine speed, as Kireth described in his YouTube vid, when testing FullForce in iRacing.
What sort of extra feedback is everyone else experiencing? Am I missing something? Do i need to be on a particular Driver/Firmware version on my Clubsport DD+ base?

All feedback greatly received...
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Does the wheel react when going over curbs ?
 
Akers
This morning, after the maintenance, I jumped on for a test, to see if anything felt 'different' with FullForce available. I'm sure I was feeling additional feedback through the wheel that wasn't there before, but it's not possible to back-to-back test. The release notes state that setting the controller vibration to Off disables FullForce, so I tried this as a test. I felt no difference between Vibration On and Off so I can only assume what I'm feeling is the generic 'Added simulated friction' in this update. I'm certainly not feeling any additional vibration based around engine speed, as Kireth described in his YouTube vid, when testing FullForce in iRacing.
What sort of extra feedback is everyone else experiencing? Am I missing something? Do i need to be on a particular Driver/Firmware version on my Clubsport DD+ base?

All feedback greatly received...
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I hadn't updated my wheel in months, and they released firmware for the base (and the wheel) today.
While downloading and installing the app on my computer, I tried Full Force, and it felt strange, but after updating to DD+, I definitely notice when the car is at the rev limiter and when shifting gears. There's also a slight vibration throughout the track, and you feel it more when going over the kerbs than before.
So, it's a pretty good change in my opinion. (I don't know if changing any settings in the Fanatec app makes any difference in a PS5 game because Full Force in the app has three options: Road Effects, Pure Force, and RPM. I don't know if disabling or enabling one affects the PS5 configuration.)
It's linked to the controller's vibration, so you have to have it enabled on the controller. And well, I had to reduce the base's force a bit from what I had configured before, but that could also be due to the Fanatec firmware. šŸ˜…
 
Well, it seems we also have Fullforce in ACE and PMR*
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Akers
This morning, after the maintenance, I jumped on for a test, to see if anything felt 'different' with FullForce available. I'm sure I was feeling additional feedback through the wheel that wasn't there before, but it's not possible to back-to-back test. The release notes state that setting the controller vibration to Off disables FullForce, so I tried this as a test. I felt no difference between Vibration On and Off so I can only assume what I'm feeling is the generic 'Added simulated friction' in this update. I'm certainly not feeling any additional vibration based around engine speed, as Kireth described in his YouTube vid, when testing FullForce in iRacing.
What sort of extra feedback is everyone else experiencing? Am I missing something? Do i need to be on a particular Driver/Firmware version on my Clubsport DD+ base?

All feedback greatly received...
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To turn off "FULL FORCE" the only way you can do it is by actually turning it off from the wheel base side in the base tuning menu. The values are OFF-100. Additionally, I read the patch notes from the GT7 website. It appears you can also disable it from the game, but that seems odd to me, but it's there.

ā€“ FullForce feedback effects have also been enabled on the FanatecĀ® GT DD Extreme. If you encounter any issues with this feature, please try the following solutions:
ć€€ć€€ćƒ»Set 'Options' > 'Controllers' > 'Vibration function (P1)' to Off. (This will disable FullForce feedback.)
ć€€ć€€ćƒ»Update your steering controller to the latest firmware. (Please consult manufacturer support for firmware updates.)

Also, while I normally don't recommend installing "BETA FIRMWARE" from Fanatec, you should be aware there are issues with FULL FORCE freezing DD+ wheel bases, so if you want that fixed you have the option to risk installing BETA firmware.

FANATEC BETA FIRMWARE
 
My initial impressions are very positive. FFB in general has changed quite dramatically in GT7 after the update. Whatever they did, the feeling of complete emptiness in the center of the wheel is now gone. Additionally, the wheel feels very dynamic during lateral weight changes. You can feel the tires gripping on the side of the weight of the car. FF effects are cool but at first glance I feel Iā€™d like more intensity since even at 100% they feel mild. Again, PD didn't grace us with an in game slider to adjust them since weā€™re not worthy and donā€™t deserve it šŸ˜‘

Lots of positive changes overall. More testing required.
Iā€™m on the latest beta driver btw.
 
Lomic
Does the wheel react when going over curbs ?
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Yes, and Iā€™m sure Iā€™m feeling more ā€˜textureā€™ at the limit of grip when turning, but I think this is from the general feedback update, as itā€™s still there when I turn Vibration Off.

davidson23
I hadn't updated my wheel in months, and they released firmware for the base (and the wheel) today.
While downloading and installing the app on my computer, I tried Full Force, and it felt strange, but after updating to DD+, I definitely notice when the car is at the rev limiter and when shifting gears. There's also a slight vibration throughout the track, and you feel it more when going over the kerbs than before.
So, it's a pretty good change in my opinion. (I don't know if changing any settings in the Fanatec app makes any difference in a PS5 game because Full Force in the app has three options: Road Effects, Pure Force, and RPM. I don't know if disabling or enabling one affects the PS5 configuration.)
It's linked to the controller's vibration, so you have to have it enabled on the controller. And well, I had to reduce the base's force a bit from what I had configured before, but that could also be due to the Fanatec firmware. šŸ˜…
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I too did an update this morning to Driver 474 but I havenā€™t installed the new Fanatec app. Iā€™ll give the Beta a go and see how I get on. Thanks.
 
Akers
Yes, and Iā€™m sure Iā€™m feeling more ā€˜textureā€™ at the limit of grip when turning, but I think this is from the general feedback update, as itā€™s still there when I turn Vibration Off.


I too did an update this morning to Driver 474 but I havenā€™t installed the new Fanatec app. Iā€™ll give the Beta a go and see how I get on. Thanks.
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In case anyone reading this down the road, installing new firmware past the ones included in PC Driver 474, you will only be able to update using the new FANATEC APP. The old Control Panel is now END OF LIFE and FANATEC will no longer support it with driver updates.
 
M Stark
My initial impressions are very positive. FFB in general has changed quite dramatically in GT7 after the update. Whatever they did, the feeling of complete emptiness in the center of the wheel is now gone. Additionally, the wheel feels very dynamic during lateral weight changes. You can feel the tires gripping on the side of the weight of the car. FF effects are cool but at first glance I feel Iā€™d like more intensity since even at 100% they feel mild. Again, PD didn't grace us with an in game slider to adjust them since weā€™re not worthy and donā€™t deserve it šŸ˜‘

Lots of positive changes overall. More testing required.
Iā€™m on the latest beta driver btw.
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In the GT7 menu, where the vibration settings are located, under vibration intensity, I believe the default setting isn't 150.
I tried 75 and then 150, and it felt more intense.
 
FMW
In case anyone reading this down the road, installing new firmware past the ones included in PC Driver 474, you will only be able to update using the new FANATEC APP. The old Control Panel is now END OF LIFE and FANATEC will no longer support it with driver updates.
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Each new FW version for now anyway will require a completely new install of the app which is all we will get in the future, but no diff really from the past where a specific driver pkg was needed to install any specific FW version

You wonā€™t be able to load specific older/newer FW from the app w/o an re-install of that app or driver

I think 468 is the min version to get decent FF, I feel a bit on 474 but havenā€™t tested too much
 
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RS60NR
Each new FW version for now anyway will require a completely new install of the app which is all we will get in the future, but no diff really from the past where a specific driver pkg was needed to install any specific FW version

You wonā€™t be able to load specific older/newer FW from the app w/o an re-install of that app or driver

I think 468 is the min version to get decent FF, I feel a bit on 474 but havenā€™t tested too much
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Good evening Neil, my DD+ ist still on FW 464.
So would you advice me to Update to the latest FW ?!

I havent used my Laptop since then so apparently i ll have to Download the new FanatecAppinstaller v1.2.0.5Beta , is that correct ?!
And everything needed is included in that ZIP File?!
And should i First deinstall all previous Fanatec Software ?!
 
davidson23
In the GT7 menu, where the vibration settings are located, under vibration intensity, I believe the default setting isn't 150.
I tried 75 and then 150, and it felt more intense.
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Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately it was already at 150 in mine. Making matters worse, if you increase INT the effects go down quite drastically. I really wish there was a FF slider in game :/

Overall though, the FFB experience can feel exciting. Given your settings allow that with things like low damping, etc.
 
PirovacBoy
Good evening Neil, my DD+ ist still on FW 464.
So would you advice me to Update to the latest FW ?!

I havent used my Laptop since then so apparently i ll have to Download the new FanatecAppinstaller v1.2.0.5Beta , is that correct ?!
And everything needed is included in that ZIP File?!
And should i First deinstall all previous Fanatec Software ?!
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Start w driver 468 from here:

Uninstall the existing Fanatec control panel package first then reboot then run the 468 install

Do NOT install the Fanatec app - it will only install the latest FW and I think you will prefer the FFB in 468 - and the app really does not offer console users much if any benefit

If that version is not making a desired change In FF than try 474 but note the FFB has changed in that version

I have not tried the latest FW in the new app 1.2 so canā€™t comment yet
 
For laughs and giggles, I went back through all the pages of the FANATEC Software forum to create an excel file with all the driver revisions since PC Driver 455, which is the one I've been using since Fanatec's dev's replaced my DD+ with 455 installed with a note saying it was the most stable they had at the time. (Why install a new firmware when everything is working, right?) Anyway, to my shock and surprise, there have been 11 updates to the DD+ base firmware since 455! (Including the new BETA released today) How nuts is that!?

Part of me is dubious that updating from so many versions back on a buggy new app won't be without hiccups or issues. :lol:


455
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.0.1.4 (NEW)
456
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.0.2.6 (NEW)
457
ClubSport DD(+) Base : 2.1.0.2 (NEW)
462
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.2.3.7 (NEW)
464
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.3.0.1 (NEW)
465
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.4.0.2 (NEW)
466
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.5.0.3 (NEW)
467
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.5.0.3 (NEW)
468
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.6.0.1 (NEW)
474
ClubSport DD(+) Base: 2.6.1.2 (NEW)

Fanatec App v1.2.0.5 Beta (NEW)
 
Thank you Men, i really appreciate your quick Response.
So to Wrap IT Up.
I First uninstall the existing Fanatec Software from my Laptop.
Then i reboot my Laptop.
Then i have 2 Options.
Option 1 : Download Driver 468.
Unpack and install the Driver.

Option 2 : Same as above BUT install the latest FanatecAppinstaller with Driver 474.
Is that correct ?!

So Neil says 468 and Hristo says ... ?

@RS60NR @super_gt

ON another Note i never ever Had a single Issue with 464.
Now i read that the Oscillations have been ironed Out with 474.
So 474 should bei the way to Go...

Otherwise i would stay with 464.

What is your advice ?
I Trust both of you .
What would be the best Solution.
Can Someone confirm the fixed NFR Oscillations Issue ?
 
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