Final Quick Match Races 2-7-18

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kilesa4568
Always a pleasure racing you.:cheers:

1st and 2nd have got a hell of a lot of responsibility for turn one off the start.:nervous: The slightest contact and the chain reaction starts so you've really got to tree the light or you're swamped. I don't even mind jumping the start from pole. Get myself a nice safe penalty, grab the popcorn and watch people trying to take turn one 3 wide. It's like they've never seen Bathurst before.:lol:
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Bingo!! Actually that's a GR8 idea!! :cheers: 3 seconds aren't bad at that spot on the front straight, there'll be ghosts of those who made contact on the first corner so we simply tip toe through the melee, spank that little Renault on the rump, mash tha pedal to the metal and make a charge the first hill unfettered.👍👍
 
bone_tone
Had a guy at Bathurst last night, French flag, German name, running 2:02.xxx laps, and a fastest race time of 6:12......... 👎

Also, met @Baron Blitz Red in a room, between disconnections (!), where there was one of those SRF users that kept slowing down so as not to make it too obvious.
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Had a look at his and another's replays, SRF defininately being used as they are braking so late and the car is still settled when they release the brakes.

I might create a PSN account, with something like "SRF_is _for _losers" or "SRF_is_for_noobs" just for these events hehe.

I think it can be tolerated if they drive with etiquette, but it's the win at all costs approach....and braking the rules with it, is just effeminate.

Edited to reinforce the point and to avoid potential AUP issues.
 
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bone_tone
Had a guy at Bathurst last night, French flag, German name, running 2:02.xxx laps, and a fastest race time of 6:12......... 👎
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Was in said room together with @mirial, we both weren't too amused with that F1 fanboy bashing through the field. Shocking that he's on the friends list of my son :odd:.
 
@ROCKET JOE

Yes, I noticed that too and by his friend who bashed drivers out of the way that are within acceptable driving standards. They need to be reined in, but I think it's that generation of millennials who aren't ashamed of anything no matter what level you have to stoop to in order to win.

So any user names designed to embarrass them won't have any effect :(
 
bone_tone
Had a guy at Bathurst last night, French flag, German name, running 2:02.xxx laps, and a fastest race time of 6:12......... 👎

Also, met @Baron Blitz Red in a room, between disconnections (!), where there was one of those SRF users that kept slowing down so as not to make it too obvious.
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Aye, he did a 2:01 the first race I was in. French with a famous German F1 name if I remember correctly.
 
ROCKET JOE
Not bad ... change 'girls' to 'losers' and 'ghey' to 'noob' though ;) !

"I'm afraid these folks don't even know what 'standing upright' is".
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Couldn't have said it any better RJ, we must live with our opinion of what is fair and just. For me, winning is fun but not if I cannot do it fair and square. I'd rather finish in last place than cause another player an unfair crash or penalty. Other players opinion's of me is more important than a position at the finish line.
 
Catch you folks on track later depending on how sore my hand is...Getting a tattoo this afternoon for the first time in 33 years. On the back of my left hand of all places. Very painful.

Thinking of getting, I LOVE SRF....:lol::lol::lol:
 
Thanks to everyone for welcome

Kilesa4568 : thanks for the information about posting, i hope to be able to do it well
Daduce 1947 : If your nick is the date i have 1 year more ... thanks for your ivitation to your club, i hope to be able to partecipate in same of your competitions, compatible with the time zone. Even thoug i'm very busy with QR

it was many years i did not follow a GT6 forum, now i even do it in English .... amazing !! :nervous:

UNfter a few years of poor use i restarted to play in 2016 and more often. In recent mounths even more and in the last week even after dinner, but with a cople of glasses of good wine .... :Saluti:
io've been following you for several mounths but i never decided to write because every single message need dictionary and reflection : O
tanslated : a lot of time !!
ioalso lerned from you the existence of tricks wich i did not know. I never use arcade mode, i do not like TT, i just like running with human opponents, winning o losing is not important (: Non i:: Banghead:: Censurato:), just the competion i'm intrested in trying to learn from the fastest. Unfurtunatly i drive the car as i would in realty and often not productive in terms of speed lap in GT6. Until a few mounths ago i did understand how same could make 5/6/7 seconds faster than me, now i know whi !
This mega-post needed an hour and more time, i'll be much more concise in the future : D
 
ROCKET JOE
I'm jealous. It would have taken me 24h to express it that way 👍.

And I'm afraid these folks don't even know what 'standing upright' is.
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Phone addiction, two taps and something magical happens that saves hundreds of hours of work and learning that was normal for older generations......awwwwww driving assists and cheating are irresistible to get all the glory without feeling embarrassed.

I'm not sure, but just checked a couple of key corners to gauge braking points where the car becomes very nervous. Solid as a rock :)
 
Actually all half-jokes aside with usernames, but maybe the best way to just resolve the SRF problem is to ask them politely to switch it off and explain the problems it is having on everyone racing.....but I find it hard to believe that no one has tried this already. Maybe it's a bit like asking Mr. Kim to stop setting off bombs.
 
Just imagine such start at Bathurst without SRF
Quick stats (c) ytube
-55 cars on the start
-Only 22 cars finished the race
-33 didn't finish
-The race winner started 12th on the grid
-David Parsons in the Gibson Motor Sport commodore started last on the grid and finished 11th

 
If i had a suggestion to fix the problem SRT...... just add a different color to theirs names like red and all srt users who come to a lobby with srt on...their names in red.... will be easy to recognize and trust me they ll desabled it once they see their names in different color and everyone know they re cheating
 
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dogmarsss
Just imagine such start at Bathurst without SRF
Quick stats (c) ytube
-55 cars on the start
-Only 22 cars finished the race
-33 didn't finish
-The race winner started 12th on the grid
-David Parsons in the Gibson Motor Sport commodore started last on the grid and finished 11th

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HUGE !!!
Do not show this video to V. She can have an orgasm by imagining such a race on GT6
 
Mwerte
If i had a suggestion to fix the problem SRT...... just add a different color to theirs names like red and all srt users who come to a lobby with srt on...their names in red.... will be easy to recognize and trust me they ll desabled it once they see their names in different color and everyone know they re cheating
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Ah, the Scarlett Letter, or rather the Scarlett PSN. I like your idea. Too bad it will never happen.
 
Mwerte
If i had a suggestion to fix the problem SRT...... just add a different color to theirs names like red and all srt users how come to a lobby with srt on... will be easy to recognize and trust me they ll desabled it once they see their names in different color and everyone know they cheating
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OK could be a solution. But, according to me, not the way to choose if you are software editor and want to make your title attractive to the greatest number and, very important, over time. An elitist game won't be a crowded success, even though the enthusiast we are seeing Gran Turismo as a simulator and not as a game. Put a system that designates some of its users as cheaters and it's the whole system that suffers, I'm convinced.

Imagine we are Polyphony Digital Inc. Our objective is to make attractive our game and addict our players (is there any addict player here in the audience ?). With SRF (or SRT in french ;) for MWerte), you give the possibility to non experienced players ... no, sorry, pilotes :) ... to share races with the very good ones. Let's be clear, I am an ardent fighter against the SRF (RocketJoe can tell you), particularly in the way users can use it on GT. I just want to share with you my reflexion on this subject.

SRF seems a good idea at first, unfortunately PD was naive to think that it will not be used to cheat. So in one side SRF is positive for casual or in the learning phase players, in the other side you don't want to give cheaters the possibility to spoil rotten the game of honest ones.

My proposal (PD, if you read me ...) : make SRF available only for slowest pilots, as an help for them and also to make racing more competitive. But, how can we identify real slowest pilots from cheaters to distribute fairly that gift ? I see two possibilities.

1. Slowest pilots are those racing under a certain percent of time compare to the leader and, naturally they choose SRF option. You give them an amount of SRF gradually according to the distance they are separated from the leader. For example, if the player's car is at least 50% far from the leader and the start of a racetrack, he receive 100% SRF, 75% of SRF if he's between 30-50% far away, and so on.

2. Players they've chosen SRF option begin the race with 100% SRF, but then the percentage decreases as the race progresses until last lap. Last lap is without SRF for every player.

Any better idea ?
 
ColinChapman
OK could be a solution. But, according to me, not the way to choose if you are software editor and want to make your title attractive to the greatest number and, very important, over time. An elitist game won't be a crowded success, even though the enthusiast we are seeing Gran Turismo as a simulator and not as a game. Put a system that designates some of its users as cheaters and it's the whole system that suffers, I'm convinced.

Imagine we are Polyphony Digital Inc. Our objective is to make attractive our game and addict our players (is there any addict player here in the audience ?). With SRF (or SRT in french ;) for MWerte), you give the possibility to non experienced players ... no, sorry, pilotes :) ... to share races with the very good ones. Let's be clear, I am an ardent fighter against the SRF (RocketJoe can tell you), particularly in the way users can use it on GT. I just want to share with you my reflexion on this subject.

SRF seems a good idea at first, unfortunately PD was naive to think that it will not be used to cheat. So in one side SRF is positive for casual or in the learning phase players, in the other side you don't want to give cheaters the possibility to spoil rotten the game of honest ones.

My proposal (PD, if you read me ...) : make SRF available only for slowest pilots, as an help for them and also to make racing more competitive. But, how can we identify real slowest pilots from cheaters to distribute fairly that gift ? I see two possibilities.

1. Slowest pilots are those racing under a certain percent of time compare to the leader and, naturally they choose SRF option. You give them an amount of SRF gradually according to the distance they are separated from the leader. For example, if the player's car is at least 50% far from the leader and the start of a racetrack, he receive 100% SRF, 75% of SRF if he's between 30-50% far away, and so on.

2. Players they've chosen SRF option begin the race with 100% SRF, but then the percentage decreases as the race progresses until last lap. Last lap is without SRF for every player.

Any better idea ?
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Just fix the bug that lets people use it when it's not allowed..........
 
Daduce1947
Bingo!! Actually that's a GR8 idea!! :cheers: 3 seconds aren't bad at that spot on the front straight, there'll be ghosts of those who made contact on the first corner so we simply tip toe through the melee, spank that little Renault on the rump, mash tha pedal to the metal and make a charge the first hill unfettered.👍👍
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Patience is definitely a virtue where Bathurst is concerned.:lol:

mirial
Had a look at his and another's replays, SRF defininately being used as they are braking so late and the car is still settled when they release the brakes.

I might create a PSN account, with something like "SRF_is _for _losers" or "SRF_is_for_noobs" just for these events hehe.

I think it can be tolerated if they drive with etiquette, but it's the win at all costs approach....and braking the rules with it, is just effeminate.

Edited to reinforce the point and to avoid potential AUP issues.
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I spent about a year messaging the SRFer's regulars about the bug and how it was the reason their lap times were so far in front of everyone. A handful of them listened and didn't run with it again (from what I saw) but it was rinse and repeat for the majority. Most of them are still regularly mentioned in this thread so I guess they prefer to cheat*.

*I'm talking about the players who don't need SRF being cheats. If you can run an 07 time without it, you don't need it. Any slower than that, perhaps you need it but at the same time, you're not doing yourself any favours as you're not learning the true physics of the game and that makes it counter productive to use.

Nonno Calvy
Unfurtunatly i drive the car as i would in realty and often not productive in terms of speed lap in GT6.
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The races we had the other night proved just how quick you are. Great pace and race craft and I hope we'll meet again.:)

ColinChapman
OK could be a solution. But, according to me, not the way to choose if you are software editor and want to make your title attractive to the greatest number and, very important, over time. An elitist game won't be a crowded success, even though the enthusiast we are seeing Gran Turismo as a simulator and not as a game. Put a system that designates some of its users as cheaters and it's the whole system that suffers, I'm convinced.

Imagine we are Polyphony Digital Inc. Our objective is to make attractive our game and addict our players (is there any addict player here in the audience ?). With SRF (or SRT in french ;) for MWerte), you give the possibility to non experienced players ... no, sorry, pilotes :) ... to share races with the very good ones. Let's be clear, I am an ardent fighter against the SRF (RocketJoe can tell you), particularly in the way users can use it on GT. I just want to share with you my reflexion on this subject.

SRF seems a good idea at first, unfortunately PD was naive to think that it will not be used to cheat. So in one side SRF is positive for casual or in the learning phase players, in the other side you don't want to give cheaters the possibility to spoil rotten the game of honest ones.

My proposal (PD, if you read me ...) : make SRF available only for slowest pilots, as an help for them and also to make racing more competitive. But, how can we identify real slowest pilots from cheaters to distribute fairly that gift ? I see two possibilities.

1. Slowest pilots are those racing under a certain percent of time compare to the leader and, naturally they choose SRF option. You give them an amount of SRF gradually according to the distance they are separated from the leader. For example, if the player's car is at least 50% far from the leader and the start of a racetrack, he receive 100% SRF, 75% of SRF if he's between 30-50% far away, and so on.

2. Players they've chosen SRF option begin the race with 100% SRF, but then the percentage decreases as the race progresses until last lap. Last lap is without SRF for every player.

Any better idea ?
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Sadly, there's no answer (it's a bug that will never get fixed) other than choosing whether you want to race them or not. I prefer the latter as it simplifies things nicely. I don't trust them wheel to wheel, even if they're clean, as their car reacts a lot differently to mine and I certainly wouldn't stay for another race with them as I'd have to go well over 100% to try to stay with them. It's like LMP2 trying to compete with LMP1. It just doesn't work.
 
For myself, I've never found SRF in of itself to be a cheat, as it is an option. In the early days, I nicknamed it "Safe Racing Fun" when the people who were new to the game, or those who aren't as skilled as some of us, used it properly to prevent creating havoc in online racing because their skillsets or their knowledge of the rules of physics in racing isn't up to par when compared to a good majority of us here on GTP.

Having said that though, it is cheating to use it in the case of the Quick Matches as it is supposed to be off for everyone. But thanks to a loophole, and a rather gaping loophole at that, there are people who use this exploit to the fullest.

There was a time when the option of using SRF was available even in the "Super Lap" events included in the Online Seasonals. After a while, that option was taken away, thanks to a vast majority speaking up and saying "Nope, enough is enough!", and PD listened. Sadly, we all know that even though this loophole is well known and discussed, GT6 is at the end of its lifecycle, and PD has put all their eggs into the one basket known as GT Sport. Therefore this exploit won't be fixed. At all.

But in a way, PD has listened to us and have eliminated the option of SRF altogether in GT Sport. It is gone. And good riddance to bad rubbish too. But as for GT6, there is no solution. Nor will there be.

Trust you me people, I look down at those who use the exploit... it's not fair, as the playing field is far from level. But I do take pride in MY attempts to keep the racing clean, fair and fun. And I would thank those of us here who subscribe to that same line of thinking. I prefer to look forward to the races that I KNOW will be good when I see the names of people famous for good, clean and intense racing.

My 2 cents worth...

Cheers
 
Baron Blitz Red
For myself, I've never found SRF in of itself to be a cheat, as it is an option. In the early days, I nicknamed it "Safe Racing Fun" when the people who were new to the game, or those who aren't as skilled as some of us, used it properly to prevent creating havoc in online racing because their skillsets or their knowledge of the rules of physics in racing isn't up to par when compared to a good majority of us here on GTP.

Having said that though, it is cheating to use it in the case of the Quick Matches as it is supposed to be off for everyone. But thanks to a loophole, and a rather gaping loophole at that, there are people who use this exploit to the fullest.

There was a time when the option of using SRF was available even in the "Super Lap" events included in the Online Seasonals. After a while, that option was taken away, thanks to a vast majority speaking up and saying "Nope, enough is enough!", and PD listened. Sadly, we all know that even though this loophole is well known and discussed, GT6 is at the end of its lifecycle, and PD has put all their eggs into the one basket known as GT Sport. Therefore this exploit won't be fixed. At all.

But in a way, PD has listened to us and have eliminated the option of SRF altogether in GT Sport. It is gone. And good riddance to bad rubbish too. But as for GT6, there is no solution. Nor will there be.

Trust you me people, I look down at those who use the exploit... it's not fair, as the playing field is far from level. But I do take pride in MY attempts to keep the racing clean, fair and fun. And I would thank those of us here who subscribe to that same line of thinking. I prefer to look forward to the races that I KNOW will be good when I see the names of people famous for good, clean and intense racing.

My 2 cents worth...

Cheers
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Hear, hear!
 
bone_tone
Just fix the bug that lets people use it when it's not allowed..........
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Bingo!! Remember there were so many issues with cheaters eg "hacks" in GT5, PD initiated a means to report the offenders, a few reports and "poof" that player ID plus their email registration were gone. Of course,, all they needed do was open a different email account, re-register and they were in. Then PD started checking ISP address's, again the cheaters were foiled and the racing got better, much better. Now these events are indicating SRF is not allowed but the cheats found a glitch, shared it on the Planet and wha lah,, they're in again. At this stage of the game with only a VERY few weeks left for GT6 I'm suspecting that phrase "it is what it is" will be how it is.

Edit07Sept17: Thank you fellows for correcting statements I made based on a VERY poor recollection of the series of events that led to PD stepping in and getting rid of the GT5 hacks. In reality at that time I wasn't as involved in a few of the forums as I am now,, in GT5 days the planet Advanced Tune Finder was pretty much the extent of use. That is NO excuse for making false statements, in retrospect I should have kept my thoughts on that to myself - or - did the research first. In any event, Thanks so much for clarifying how those issues in GT5 were cleaned up.
Re; My comment "HOW" to find the glitch that would allow use of SRF I did see here and in the not so far away past. No, not going to look for it but i saw numerous references to that subject,, in reality I tried it but never could get it to work (fortunately) for me.
 
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