First Bugatti Veyron crash

[Metar]

Aaahhh well, thats life, and he shouldn't have been driving it in the rain anyway! That should be a nice day car, with a bimmer for rainy weather.

I can see why someone can not like its nose, but outright hate the car for bieng a production design exersize? I'm confused. Oh well, to each his own.

Again, I said the exact opposite; I hate the nose/front design, but I love the fact that it isn't meant to be a normal car, but a no-holds exercise.

But you make a valid point, with 1000HP, he shouldn't have driven the car in the rain. 4WD or not, it's just not safe enough. Couldn't he take one of the Lamborghinis that guy probably owns?

 

[G.T]

Wouldn't the traction control be stopping the 1000 horses from being used though? Unless he had it off, there would be no problem driving it in the rain, especially with 4WD. As mentioned above, any car probably would have lost control in the water. It's whether he was driving dangerously quick for that to happen, though...

 

[TopHat]

I wasn't talking about you Gingiba, sorry, it was the other guy on the first page, the one who had his parents kidnapped by a Veyron.


He must have been driving pretty quick for water to do that....

 

[Metar]

He must have been driving pretty quick for water to do that....

Could be a chain-reaction:

1. 1000HP Car drives on wet road
2. Actively-changing 4WD is usually rear-biased
3. A little too much power is sent to the rear
4. 4WD compensated by sending power to the front
5. Car gains traction and flys forward into the ditch

Which is what might've happened. Perhaps less grip is the way to go

 

[Dave A]

Or maybe he just hit standing water and what happened is the same thing that would have happened if he was driving any other car. The Veyron is supposed to be a very easy car to drive and to live with. It's got 1000bhp, but apparently in most day to day driving the car is using around 300bhp. I doubt he nailed it, I think the cars wide tres won't have helped, as they tend not to on wet surfaces but the cars power was probably nothing to do with the crash.

 

[ND4SPD]

Questions
- what's the extent of the damage?

The biggest blow to a human ego ever.

 

[3-Wheel Drive]

Right then after liveforspeed said I could go for it here goes.
I personally do not like the Bugatti Veryon as:
1. The car is in my opinion a pointless exercise perfomed by a very rich company that wants to be the best.
2. The car in my opinion is an old design as it was first shown ages ago which makes the car look generally an old shaped car.
3. It is a money losing car as VW spend more on making it than on actaually selling it and cannot recover the money spent form making the car.
4. In my opinion what car company says before the car has even been any where near finished all the stats and then build the car to match the stats orginally quoted? It just seems silly.
5. In my opinion people seem to think it is cool becuase it is the fastest car. That is not a reason to like a car. I do not like a koenigsegg or lamborghini because it is the fast, I like them because them companies have a soul and passion for building good cars as for Bugatti in my opinion obviously don't as the previous cars they had made where piles of rubbish in my opinion which shows they are more in it for the money by this time which they have lost than the passion behind their own cars.
6. In my opinion the car is asad thing that has been given to us all. It shows the bad things about life such as that this lazy company can make the fastest car in the world and possibly the last quickest car in the world. Now personally I do not want the fastest car in the world (Bugati Veryon) to be this. A Koenigsegg would be in my opinion a much better car in my opinion to represent us all. As it is a quick car, looks good, sounds good, spits flame and can run on bio fuel. Now can the Bugatti do all of this? Lets go through the check list together
Quick Car= Yes
Looks Good= No
Spits Flames= No
Can run on bio fuel= No
Hmm seems to be that the Bugatti was built with only one purpose doesnt it? I have never liked cars built with only one purpose such as this.
7. Isnt really very good to run on fuel empties a full tank in about 20 minutes at top speed.
Right they are most of the resons why I dispise the Bugatti. Right noe I need to go and calm my self down think......Aston Martin DB9......Ahhh thats better.
Ow and please remember that all of this is my opinion not all of it may be the same in your opinion.
Thank You
Speedster502

1. So is every other supercar ever made.
2. How old? It takes a while for a concept to turn to reality.
3. Believe me, money is not the issue. It's about the gloating rights of having the fastest production car on Earth. The losses are mere pocket change to VW.
4. They can make all the claims they want. As long as the car can match those claims in the end, it doesn't matter when they were made.
5. Personal taste. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, values, and views.
6. The Veyron will not be the last, I can guarantee that. As long as cars are around, there will be the pursuit to be the fastest on Earth. And many other cars have been built for that sole purpose.
7. I'd like to see you try to engineer a car that gets 20 mpg at 253+ mph. it's hard to be efficient when you are covering 1 mile every 24 seconds.

 

[daan]

Lets try and get away from the whole "Is the Veyron is a good/bad car" argument, as its been done loads of times before, and back onto the fact that one has been crashed.

 

[bennyrrr]

Im happy that the car isnt totaled, or so it seems. I love the Veyron but for some reason, im not really caring that this one was crashed on account of it not being stupidity like the Enzo crashed in the LA area.

 

[McLaren]

Right then after liveforspeed said I could go for it here goes.
I personally do not like the Bugatti Veryon as:
1. The car is in my opinion a pointless exercise perfomed by a very rich company that wants to be the best.
2. The car in my opinion is an old design as it was first shown ages ago which makes the car look generally an old shaped car.
3. It is a money losing car as VW spend more on making it than on actaually selling it and cannot recover the money spent form making the car.
4. In my opinion what car company says before the car has even been any where near finished all the stats and then build the car to match the stats orginally quoted? It just seems silly.
5. In my opinion people seem to think it is cool becuase it is the fastest car. That is not a reason to like a car. I do not like a koenigsegg or lamborghini because it is the fast, I like them because them companies have a soul and passion for building good cars as for Bugatti in my opinion obviously don't as the previous cars they had made where piles of rubbish in my opinion which shows they are more in it for the money by this time which they have lost than the passion behind their own cars.
6. In my opinion the car is asad thing that has been given to us all. It shows the bad things about life such as that this lazy company can make the fastest car in the world and possibly the last quickest car in the world. Now personally I do not want the fastest car in the world (Bugati Veryon) to be this. A Koenigsegg would be in my opinion a much better car in my opinion to represent us all. As it is a quick car, looks good, sounds good, spits flame and can run on bio fuel. Now can the Bugatti do all of this? Lets go through the check list together
Quick Car= Yes
Looks Good= No
Spits Flames= No
Can run on bio fuel= No
Hmm seems to be that the Bugatti was built with only one purpose doesnt it? I have never liked cars built with only one purpose such as this.
7. Isnt really very good to run on fuel empties a full tank in about 20 minutes at top speed.
Right they are most of the resons why I dispise the Bugatti. Right noe I need to go and calm my self down think......Aston Martin DB9......Ahhh thats better.
Ow and please remember that all of this is my opinion not all of it may be the same in your opinion.
Thank You
Speedster502

You do realize many of those opinions can be put against Koenigsegg and McLaren, right?

 

[V1P3R]

:shrug: ehh... he'll probably just get a new one.

 

[Dougboy]

:shrug: ehh... he'll probably just get a new one.

Or why not just get it fixed? He can probly get a new paint job while hes at it. I would love to see an all black veyron

 

[land sea air]

I'm going with those who think that it's not necessarily a matter of driving too fast, any car will hydroplane with standing water on the road. Now the fact that the car has very wide tires, sits low to the ground, and has an almost completely flat under body, would certainly not help matters, the event could probably have been avoided in another car, but its not necessarily poor or stupid driving.

 

[Philly]

Let's have a moment of silence for this poor car.






















I would agree that this was probably not a high-speed crash. Hydroplaning may have been involved and I'm pretty sure the car went spinning. Notice the grass in the rear wheel. The damage looks mostly cosmetic, the frame seems mostly intact beneath but the owner wiill probably be forking out over 10K to fix the frame, it looks. Way more will probably be spent fixing that front end. How horrible that such a beautiful car would be mussed up.

 

[JCE]

Pfft a little bondo and some buffing will get that right out. That's only about 350,000 quid worth of damage--chump change. lol

 

[Jay]

Interesting, car is quite easily fixable, still expensive though.

Wouldn't the traction control be stopping the 1000 horses from being used though?

The throttle isnt a on/off toggle button, Im quite sure the driver should be capable of not inducing 1000hp. (not to mention the engine wont make a instant 1000hp at initial WOT)

 

[1X83Z]

Wow - wreckedexotics is claiming a delivery date of February 28. This guy had this car all of five days before planting it.

Wreckedexotics has a special page devoted to the crash:

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/special/veyron/

The biggest blow to a human ego ever

EDIT: the guy on Evotechnik says he has more pics and details of the wreck but he's refusing to share them. Let's make a forum pact right now - if we get a shot of a wrecked Veryon, we share EVERY DETAIL. If not - WE BAN YOU. People piss me off.

 

[Wolfe]

Huh...I gotta say, I was expecting more. That does indeed look fairly fixable. At least, I hope so for the driver's sake, considering he just got it three days before (according to WreckedExotics.com) not to mention that it appears he wasn't exactly driving like an asshat when the crash occurred.

If it was a supercar that was actually good...

...I hope the driver has learnt his lesson: next time buy a good supercar.

The only bit of evidence you presented that could even slightly back up a statement like that is this:

7. Isnt really very good to run on fuel empties a full tank in about 20 minutes at top speed.

Which is rather silly itself, considering the same kind of fuel thirstiness applies to pretty much every supercar (or racecar, for that matter). Speed requires fuel, and a lot of it.

In the context of this thread, your original statement was essentially "the Bugatti Veyron is incompetent as a supercar, and its flaws and deficiencies were responsible for this accident," which is very, very different from "I don't like the Bugatti Veyron, because it's too expensive, too fast, too extreme, and has no soul."

Figure out the difference between those two statements, and we'll be set.

 

[Speedster502]

Dann this will be the last we speak of this

You do realize many of those opinions can be put against Koenigsegg and McLaren, right?

Look I said so many times in that, that it was my opinion it seems hard for somepeople to notice the thousands of times I put that in. Also I do not like Mclaren either. I do like Koenigsegg.

1. So is every other supercar ever made.
2. How old? It takes a while for a concept to turn to reality.
3. Believe me, money is not the issue. It's about the gloating rights of having the fastest production car on Earth. The losses are mere pocket change to VW.
4. They can make all the claims they want. As long as the car can match those claims in the end, it doesn't matter when they were made.
5. Personal taste. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, values, and views.
6. The Veyron will not be the last, I can guarantee that. As long as cars are around, there will be the pursuit to be the fastest on Earth. And many other cars have been built for that sole purpose.
7. I'd like to see you try to engineer a car that gets 20 mpg at 253+ mph. it's hard to be efficient when you are covering 1 mile every 24 seconds.

These are particular answers to certain quotes out of this guy:
2. A good company can design a car, show it and then build it in about 2-3 years not 5
6. Ummm well why can't it be the last? Look the world wants to go more economical so where does any supercar stand? Well it aint in the good books of Global Warming are they? So it could well be the last.
And for the person who I have only just realised that you have commented before me let me say this again slowly and clearly. IT IS ONLY MY OPINION. Now can you all stop bugging me about my own personal opinion with people saying that I am wrong (Which I cannot be as it is my opinion) make sme even more determined to if I see one to burn it down to the ground.
And you can forget me coming back to this thread as I have took enough abuse all ready.

 

[MistaX]

EDIT: the guy on Evotechnik says he has more pics and details of the wreck but he's refusing to share them. Let's make a forum pact right now - if we get a shot of a wrecked Veryon, we share EVERY DETAIL. If not - WE BAN YOU. People piss me off.

What an awesome move on his part, seeing as how the pictures he took are now going all the way around the internet with various watermarks that are not his.


Sound Familiar, Doug?

 

[niky]

I would agree that this was probably not a high-speed crash. Hydroplaning may have been involved and I'm pretty sure the car went spinning. Notice the grass in the rear wheel. The damage looks mostly cosmetic, the frame seems mostly intact beneath but the owner wiill probably be forking out over 10K to fix the frame, it looks. Way more will probably be spent fixing that front end. How horrible that such a beautiful car would be mussed up.

I'd say more like 50k (if we're talking pounds)... or more. Fixing a carbon fiber chassis (is it?) costs a hell of a lot more than pounding tin.

I agree with the others on the possibility of this being a low speed accident. Even with an ultra-stiff cf chassis, crashing at speed tends to reduce cars this big and heavy to little bits of kibbles.

AWD+ABS+traction control+stability control/the whole kitchen sink doesn't mean squat when there's no traction at the wheels. No matter how sophisticated your car's electronics or chassis tuning, no grip means no grip.

Look I said so many times in that, that it was my opinion it seems hard for somepeople to notice the thousands of times I put that in. Also I do not like Mclaren either. I do like Koenigsegg.

Which makes the opinion even weirder. There's not much difference between the McLaren, the Koenigsegg and the Apollo Gumpert (oh, I know it's not mentioned, but heck... )... they're all cars conceptualized, designed and built by engineers on an engineering first basis. All meant to be extremely fast and capable both on the road and the track, without much of the excess that the Veyron has.

You could have just said "Yay, there goes another pointless supercar.", but in this trigger-happy, nit-picky, debate-loving forum, if you define the Veyron as a "bad" supercar and the Koenigsegg as a "good" supercar, you have to back it up with a truly solid argument.

Not your fault, truly. People here just love to argue.

 

[Mark T]

i just heard on KISS FM that the Veyron had actually been borrowed from the dealership. Sucks to be the person that crashed it.

 

[Danny]

What's the fuss? It'll buff out.

 

[Roo]

7. I'd like to see you try to engineer a car that gets 20 mpg at 253+ mph. it's hard to be efficient when you are covering 1 mile every 24 seconds.

Every 14 seconds, possibly? A mile every 24 seconds equals 150mph.

 

[m7ammed]

there are some pics on the Evotechnilk thread , page 5

http://forum.evotechnik.net/showthread.php?t=12804&page=5

 

[Touring Mars]

i just heard on KISS FM that the Veyron had actually been borrowed from the dealership. Sucks to be the person that crashed it.

I believe he was on the 06:00 British Airways flight to Buenos Aires this morning... I know I would be

Here's what the BBC have to say on the accident... Article...

...maybe the passenger was the car dealer and the driver was taking it for a test-drive? Can you imagine the atmosphere in the car when the car came to rest...?

 

[Mark T]

i also read in the paper that he was paying £20,000 a day to rent it. I wonder if he lost his deposit.....

 

[Touring Mars]

Nice idea.... rent it out for 40 days and it pays for itself 💡... although there are one or two drawbacks with that plan (obviously!!)

A few more pics here

 

[McLaren]

Dann this will be the last we speak of this

Look I said so many times in that, that it was my opinion it seems hard for somepeople to notice the thousands of times I put that in. Also I do not like Mclaren either. I do like Koenigsegg.

That's not the point. You say the Veyron is bad because of those reasons. Doing so, you're also essentially saying that McLarens and Koenigseggs are not good supercars which really hypocrits your statement being you say you like Koenigseggs.

So, if a Veyron is bad due to what you believe, so is a Koenigsegg, and you like Koenigseggs, so you must like bad supercars.

 

[harrytuttle]

That's a shame. Inevitable, but still a shame. The only silver lining is that the driver wasn't the owner. Run, driver, run!

Side note:

The eight-litre, hand-crafted Veyron has a top speed in excess of 250mph.

So how exactly do you fit inside this shoebox of a car?