FITT: "British Invasion" Congrats to - praiano63, DolHaus, Motor City Hami, Otaliema

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  1. DolHaus

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    Lotus's have always been known for being fun until you push them hard, if you are going to try and push one you had better start channeling your inner Jim Clarke because they do not suffer fools gladly.

    I think Clarkson summed it up best when he said "Owning a TVR is as wonderful and magical as owning a pet bear, nothing else will bring you such raw joy and sense of excitement but one day it is going to kill you without warning or provocation. The thought that will go through your head as you go crashing through that same hedgerow you'd passed hundreds of times before without issue will not be one of dismay or shock, it will simply be one of acceptance because you always knew this was how it would end." :)
     
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    Out of interest, how much useful knowledge did you have to forget in order to remember that paragraph word for word? :)
     
  3. Otaliema

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    I think Hammond said it well.
    "Driving a TVR is like talking a bloke at the bar talking about the kids and what not, and than he hauls off and hits you upside the head no warning, no nothing."

    Alot :lol:
     
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    I think that I may have tuned my TVR wrong for the Street Car class.. It doesn't want to kill me, it is almost caring and forgiving when you take it on the tarmac.. Oops.. Never mind.
     
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  5. DolHaus

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    I am nothing if not an bottomless well of pointless knowledge :lol:
     
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  6. Otaliema

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    And this is bad how? Thats what I call a confindent tune, you know you can slam it around and not wind up with a dead lap or scuffed paint.

    You too? sweet :cheers:
     
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  7. shaunm80

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    Have you tried applying for Pointless on TV. You could do well with all that knowledge floating around up there :)
     
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  8. shaunm80

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    Slam it around? I wouldn't go that far... It may still try and bite if you slam it into corners too much. Gently gently is the key to a quick lap in my car.. (Apologies for the double post, unintentionally done)
     
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  9. Otaliema

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    so talking tires are a bad thing? -_-
     
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    It depends how much talking the tyres are doing... Too much talking is not good but they certainly don't like silence.. Polite conversation is the way forward. :D
     
  11. DolHaus

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    I can tell you that there are more atoms in a single grain of sand than there are grains of sand on all the worlds beaches, or that there is currently an ongoing experiment that uses lasers and mirrors to determine if there is actually a 3rd dimension or whether what we visually perceive as a 3rd dimension is just an optical illusion, or even that if you accelerated away from earth at enough times the speed of light and possessed a powerful enough telescope you could watch yourself being born.
    These things I can tell you and discuss a great length, if you ask me who is currently Prime minister, what day it is, what's on TV or any sort of current pop culture knowledge then I am suddenly out of my depth :lol:

    If the pig's not squealing then it will never make it to market on time, if it squeals to much then it may not make it at all
     
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  12. praiano63

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    FITT: "British Invasion" final results

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    Lotus Elise Type 72 '01

    Sinof1337 TIME=51.048 DC:7.5

    Corner entry:

    Stay perfectly inline under any braking power or driving input. Too safe in my opinion , the possibility to induce some smooth controlled oversteer could be good to nail or correct an ideal perfect line .


    Mid corner:

    Showing a light understeer when releasing the brakes, still this steady driving line that throttle or driving inputs can´t correct . The driver is too passive in my opinion.


    Out corner:

    Good LSD settings, allowing to be early on power, no surprise and safe fast line out.Perhaps more power limiter would give more torque and more retake.


    Overall :

    The car is very safe and fast, the 50/50 weight distribution kill the MR behaviors a bit. Perfect car for a beginner but a medium to good driver would like more reactions at least under strong driving inputs. Good job.


    Motor City Hami TIME=50.945 DC:8.5

    Corner entry:

    The direction feel very light at the wheel and answer very well to any driving input . You need all this precision when used together with the very efficient brakes.Too much wheel angle will induce oversteer , still easy to control but it will slow you down. It´s a real joy trying to stay on this safe fast line.


    Mid corner:

    Good eagerness, answer well to throttle and wheel. Good precision.


    Out corner:

    LSD work very well and you can accelerate early. The retake is good but a bit lazy to take speed on the short straight.


    Overall :

    The car is very alive, the direction precision is a pure joy to place the car, you can correct your driving line at any moment playing with all the inputs. It´s a very good car, must be even better on a high speed track. Congrats.


    Otaliema TIME= 50.663 DC: 8.0

    Corner entry:

    Very sharp under brake, the wheel input must be very open, been ready to anticipate a countersteer if a bit to late on brakes. When you nail the braking point and driving input together with the good dose of braking power…. It´s magic. If you don´t match all the 3 , or you spin or at least loose time.


    Mid corner:

    Perfect line a very good eagerness pushing out the corner. Good sensitivity , answer very well to any inputs.


    Out corner:

    Very good , perhaps a higher LSD accel would help to carve a bit more. There is still a little room here.


    Overall :

    The weight repartition 39/50 let the car very wild and fast. The low dampers extension settings also let the mass been transferred very quickly. All this result in a very sharp car that can be very fast in the hands of an Alien driver.

    Not easy for a beginner or even a good driver. Personally I ´ve just finish 50% of my fast laps. The rest of the time the weight pass over the tires grip and my car loose speed or spin. Good car for time attack , not for longer race. (Only for very good drivers in this case)


    Xande1959 TIME= 50.909 DC: 8.0

    Corner entry:

    Perfectly safe, good brake balance helped with a sane suspension. Good line easy to reach .

    Mid corner:

    Don´t react so much to throttle but the precise direction do a perfect job staying on the ideal line.

    Out corner:

    Also easy out , helped by a safe LSD accel value. The car seat well on his rear grip.

    Overall :

    Very fast safe car, good for a long race , very difficult to make a mistake in any condition. Good tune congrats.


    Shaunm80 TIME= 51.206 DC:7.5

    Corner entry:

    The car enter very well in the turn under brakes mainly because of hi brake balance. 6/7. When you release the brakes it´s showing a few understeer that you can correct easily with the direction. Just need to nail the good braking point to reach the mid corner under brake and it´s fine

    Mid corner:

    Very neutral suspension, the throttle control helped by the 1/4 ARB help a few to reach the apex on a good line.

    Out corner:

    Good LSD accel setting , can induce a predictable oversteer if you put too much wheel angle. Just the way it must be in my opinion.

    Overall :

    The 50/50 weight repartition take out the MR cars behaviors , it´s a bit too much and don´t fit my driving style. But , it´s still very fast and easy to drive and a lot of people will like this car for sure for online racing. Congrats.



    DolHaus TIME= 50.854 DC: 9.0

    Corner entry:

    Look a lot with the Otaliema car, very MR, a bit less radical. Brakes and direction must be played perfectly together , it´s still easy and very fast . I´ve just needed a few laps to feel the way it must be driven.


    Mid corner:

    Very soft, you can correct your line strongly with the wheel, no problems, the car stay steady on his grip.

    Out corner:

    Early on the power, very fast out stay perfect on the driving line.


    Overall :

    Perfect car, I just think that 100% power limiter on this track together with the 5 speed trans and his relatively spaced gears make the car slow on the last corner retake in 3rd gear. This is the only point where my own car ghost go away 0.400 till the finish line. Excelent tune, congrats.


    787bcgr TIME= 51.845 DC:7.00

    Corner entry:

    Extremelly sharp car, brake and driving inputs must be millimetrics. Any mistake is a punishment. Very easy to loose the rear in this situation


    Mid corner:

    Still the same sensation, impossible for me to go close to the grip limit, everything must be very smooth , if not here come the punishment.


    Out corner:

    The car is OK again, just as any other normal safe MR car, the high LSD accel setting need some throttle attention but the car go out corner on a very fast safe line.



    Overall :

    I had the same sensation when I test some seasonal Aliens tunes. So much rotation and a car so free above his dampers that it´s almost impossible for me to explore 100% of the car. I think i´m around 80% .

    Sorry but my skills don´t allow me to test this car the right way. I can´t say it´s bad or good, .i just can´t control it.



    praiano63 TIME= 50.432 DC:8.5


    No comments , up to the others testers. Of course I love my car but it´s not perfect for this track. I think i´ve nailed the right power weight ratio here. Just a good all around car (Tested on the ring and de la sierra where it´s very nice too)




    Vauxhall VX220 `00


    Ridox2JZGTE TIME= 51.832 DC:7.00

    Corner entry:

    Good feeling, steady on the line , reach the point you want. Good brakes but need to take care of the wheel angle. You´ll feel a progressive lost of grip when close to the limit.


    Mid corner:

    The car come with a good eagerness to apex under brake but the neutral suspension take control again after this. The change can modify a lot your driving line if you don´t release the brake pedal progressively.

    If you try to correct an excess of speed there , the grip pass over the tires very easily loosing speed.


    Out corner:

    No problem with a few throttle control and the right wheel angle according to speed gain. Good line out.

    Overall :

    The 5 speed custom gearbox is very long for the track, just use 4. The space between gears give a poor retake.

    Easy to loose the rear in the first right corner. When the car begin to oversteer, this is very hard to correct it .

    This is a good car , would need a lot more practice to understand it totally.


    Bowtie-Muscle TIME= 50.859 DC:8.00

    Corner entry:

    Very easy to nail the apex, showing some little understeer, need to force the line to correct it. No problem with the rear grip, there is still a lot of room.

    Mid corner:

    Very neutral, the wheel answer well to place the car but don´t answer well to throttle variation.

    Out corner:

    The low LSD accel 7 is still to high to allow full gas for the last corner. Need to wait the car turn more , the little depression make the rear lighter loosing the grip. I´ve tested with 5 and it´s better, you can be earlier on the power to the finish line.

    Overall :

    Very good gearbox that explore well all the circuit. .

    The 50/50 weight repartition let the car easy but induce too much understeer in my opinion. There is still room moving the ballast to the rear to have a more agressive car staying very safe and fast.

    Good tune. Congrats.

    MG TF160 `03

    DaBomm4 TIME= 51.514 DC:7.5

    Corner entry:

    Poor rotation , driving inputs don´t gives a good result, you´re a passenger. Settings are in the right direction but the car stay lazy. Perhaps a higher front RH would help.

    Mid corner:

    Very neutral, same sensation, the car is planted on his line and there is no way to give some extra rotation with whel or throttle.

    Out corner:

    Good LSD settings that allow to be early on power. The car perform well here, becoming alive playing with the direction.

    Overall :

    The diving sensation is not so bad but a few more extreme settings giving more rotation would be more pleasant and fast. This car is a good choice for a safe online racing.

    Good tune. Congrats.


    ImToLegitToQuit TIME= 51.281 DC:8.5

    Corner entry:

    Good feeling at the wheel, the car roll well over his dampers and spring, easy to place ,showing a good eagerness.

    Good brake balance keeping the four tires with a grip well spreaded

    Mid corner:

    Neutral but possible to correct with the wheel, good overall grip with no surprise

    Out corner:

    Good LSD settings that allow to be early on power. Nice Gearbox setting , good retake.

    Overall :

    I had a real pleasure driving this car, it´s very alive and react well to all driving inputs.

    Great job , very good tune.
     
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  13. Otaliema

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    Thank you for the feedback, I thought I had made it pretty stable guess I was off mark a bit, great time with the car sir.
     
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    Xande1959 TIME= 50.909 DC: 8.0

    Corner entry:

    Perfectly safe, good brake balance helped with a sane suspension. Good line easy to reach .

    Mid corner:

    Don´t react so much to throttle but the precise direction do a perfect job staying on the ideal line.

    Out corner:

    Also easy out , helped by a safe LSD accel value. The car seat well on his rear grip.

    Overall :

    Very fast safe car, good for a long race , very difficult to make a mistake in any condition. Good tune congrats.[/QUOTE]

    - thank you for driving it masterfully. their conclusions are very important for future tuning this type of car and circuit.:cheers::tup:
     
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    Fixed.
     
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    This was meant for 787bcgr.... sorry for the confusion
     
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    Was fairly sure but had to ask.
     
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    @bowite-muscle with the classes in your op's did you do a center alignment or a right alignment? Caus on my phone it's far right see attachment but on my computer it's visible center
     

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    Pics are centered, everything else is normal.
     
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    Thank you bug reported.
    The XJR is giving me fits with understeer fast though putting 2:11's on SW tires and leaving tons on the tracks from fish tailing or slides gonna be a good group.
     
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    My experience was one car was good in some sections but not others and the other car was better in the opposite sections. Both were real close on time.

    Would you like me to shift all photos left?
     
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    Pics are indented, not centered. I've edited post 2 to have center tags.
     
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  23. Otaliema

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    Thank you @daan was very confused as to what was going on, looks like same thing in the first post @Bowtie-muscle can edit that one now that we know what's going on.
     
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    Thank you, that was me, I will fix the others.
     
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    @Bowtie-muscle just a quick question regarding the trans on the MG and VX220 - What exactly was the rule regarding them? I thought it was adjust top speed only, no playing with the ratios?
     
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    He allowed full adjust to help them get closer to the lotus
     
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    Ok cool :tup:
     
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    Done with the elise
     
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    Thank you very much for the review, glad you enjoyed the car and an impressive time :cheers:
    Do you think it would have been faster out of the last corner using different power parts?
     
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    You´re welcome, it was a real pleasure to drive it The difference is very small but in my opinion the high rpm turbo together with 90% PL gives power for speed and torque for the out corner retake when the presetted gears are not matching so well .
     
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