FITT - Federation of International Tuners and Test-Drivers

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by DigitalBaka, Dec 3, 2013.

  1. Motor City Hami

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    Do you guys want to do another Rally Challenge like I hosted for GT5? That was a pretty fun concept of pick a rally car and the street version and tune both. I would be up for hosting that if there is interest for GT6.
     
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    I dont know...?? I mean i personally don't really like rallying ( bcoz i am hopeless at it ) but if it is road and rally tune that would be different, I was hoping for a japanese roadster challenge. But thats my opinion dont know what the others say...
     
  3. Ronald6

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    I like both ideas. Rally/road then Japanese roadsters.

    The Rally/road was my favorite from GT5 if IIRC.
     
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  4. iainoflo85

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    I'm hopeless at AWD tuning and rally in general so might just test for that one.

    But a Miata shootout would be awesome. I'd be up for that.
     
  5. Otaliema

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    I never got to participate in any gt5 challenges I got the game to late. But the road/rally sounds intriguing. how ever that could be very expensive for the testers if we need to tune/test two cars per entry., with one being a rally car and one being a street car.

    Part of the reason I suggested a low power challenge is cost, most low power cars are inexpensive, that and lower power cars are more of a trick to tune, they don't have the get up and go to make up for a mistake in the tune.

    In either case I would personally recommend a list of approved cars or a drive train exclusion that gives a lopsided advantage, or some other rule that will/should keep the entries close.
     
  6. Motor City Hami

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    I'd be up for being a tester for anything that's decided if you guys will have me! I'm home for a few weeks this time around.
     
  8. DigitalBaka

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    An excellent point. That's pretty much minimum 10-12 million credits based on the last event's turnout. :scared: That was definitely my favorite event just because it was so different from everything else.

    What about a FITT version of Spec Miata? We pick one NA, one NB and....well, the only NC so that we aren't asking folks to buy loads of cars. Find an appropriate PP range...tires probably would end up at CS or SH. Should be cheap, easy and a real close leaderboard. I'm thinking Apricot Hill, SSR5, maybe Ascari?
     
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  9. Motor City Hami

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    Oh. I am all over that. Can I host it? I will start thinking through things now.
     
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    Be my guest, sir! You are the Miata expert amongst this ragged group. :D I can help you work through whatever is needed. I'll just be in the corner remaking my Dust Devil tune in anticipation of the rally shootout. :mischievous:
     
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    I'd like to see a step back to some more realistic rubber for these cars. More like CM's to make the car come alive. A Miata on SH seems like overkill, especially if we're holding it down in the low 400's PP wise. I'd stick to 2 tracks at the most, like Ascari and something tighter and more technical like one of the Matterhorns just to mix it up a bit.
     
  12. DaBomm4

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    Why not Tsukuba just like all the other Miata featured events?:banghead:
    Joking, I like your idea for a technical track.
     
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  13. Ridox2JZGTE

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    Willow Springs Streets :) My test track for less than 500HP car on comfort tires.
     
  14. Motor City Hami

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    I am thinking about three divisions.

    Spec Miata - 1989 to 1998 Miata, 400PP, comfort soft tires, or maybe even mandate the power and weight parts that can be added.

    Miata ITS or ITA (some sort of SCCA spec) - 1999 to 2004 Miata, sport hard tires, a higher PP level or combination of weight/parts.

    MX-5 Cup - 2007 Miata, racing hard tires, close to maxed out PP/weight http://www.mx-5cup.com/2012/
     
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  15. DigitalBaka

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    I was thinking just one of those tracks, just throwing out options. :D

    I agree on tires. There were some complaints that the tires on the American land-yachts made tuning, and likely driving, a little difficult, which is exactly what I wanted. Far too often people use tires as a band-aid for a bad tune or poor skill so I went with something that should have been a happy medium. Depending on the PP levels I'm more than happy to see the Roadster on comfort tires.

    Could you use the touring car? It's pretty good out of the box but maybe it gives you a higher ceiling?

    Looking at the schedule has made me want to take time off in August for a hike up to Road America. :sly:
     
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  16. Motor City Hami

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    That is an awesome idea!
     
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    This is what I have come up with for the FITT Miata Challenge. You will notice that Spec Miata is more limiting than Improved Touring. I was trying to match the spirit of these two SCCA classes. I had another interesting thought. Maybe we could limit the Spec Miata class to allow only tuners who have not placed on the podium of a FITT challenge in GT6 or GT5? What does the community think of this. Also, I have listed four classes below, but is this too many? I was thinking about limiting it to pick two classes only. For me, I would not be allowed to enter the Spec Miata class as a past podium finisher so I would choose the Touring Car and the Improved Touring class.

    Classes posted below.

    Thoughts?
     
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    SCCA Spec Miata Class
    135 maximum horsepower
    950 kg minimum weight
    No Oil Changes
    No Body Rigidity
    No Engine Overhaul
    Front Aero Kit allowed
    No Wings or Flat Floors
    Inch Up: 1 Rim Change required
    Comfort Soft Tires
    Fully Customizable Suspension
    Racing Brakes not allowed
    Five-Speed Transmission only
    Fully Customizable LSD allowed
    Standard Clutch & Flywheel only
    Standard Drive Shaft only
    No Turbo Kits, Superchargers or Nitrous Oxide
    Power limiting 90% or above
    Weight Reduction allowed
    Full Ballast allowed

    Lap time, driver’s choice and photo mode competition

    Eligible Car List (all of these should have special liveries when painted):
    Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
    Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
    Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
    Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
    Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
    Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
    Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
    Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
    Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
    Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
    Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
    Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
    Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
    Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97

    Livery thread --> https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/hidden-stripes-on-standard-cars-post-yours-here.292722/
     
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  19. Motor City Hami

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    SCCA Improved Touring Class
    200 maximum horsepower
    925 kg minimum weight
    No Oil Changes
    No Body Rigidity
    No Engine Overhaul
    Front Aero Kit allowed
    Wings allowed
    No Flat Floors
    Inch Up: 1 Rim Change required
    Sport Hard Tires
    Fully Customizable Suspension
    Racing Brakes allowed
    Fully Customizable Transmission allowed
    Fully Customizable LSD allowed
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit allowed
    Carbon Drive Shaft allowed
    No Nitrous Oxide
    Power limiting 90% or above
    Weight Reduction allowed
    Full Ballast allowed

    Lap time, driver’s choice and photo mode competition

    Eligible Car List:
    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
     
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  20. Motor City Hami

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    Street Touring Class
    500PP
    No Oil Changes
    Body Rigidity allowed
    No Engine Overhaul
    Front Aero Kit allowed
    Wings allowed
    Flat Floors allowed
    Any Rims allowed
    Sport Soft Tires
    Fully Customizable Suspension
    Racing Brakes allowed
    Fully Customizable Transmission allowed
    Fully Customizable LSD allowed
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit allowed
    Carbon Drive Shaft allowed
    No Nitrous Oxide
    Power limiting 50% or above
    Weight Reduction allowed
    Full Ballast allowed

    Lap time, driver’s choice

    Eligible Car List:
    Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07

    Roadster Touring Car
    500PP
    No Oil Changes
    Body Rigidity allowed
    No Engine Overhaul
    Wings allowed
    Any Rims allowed
    Racing Hard Tires
    Carbon Drive Shaft allowed
    Power limiting 50% or above
    Weight Reduction allowed
    Full Ballast allowed

    Lap time, driver’s choice

    Eligible Car List:
    Mazda Roadster Touring Car
     
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  21. DigitalBaka

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    Jeebus there are a lot of Roadsters. :boggled: That's actually a bit concerning if everyone chooses a different model. Still ends up being a lot of credits with the parts. Could it be narrowed to a 3-5 variety per class?

    Four classes might be a bit much too. If I had to pick my two favorite it would be the TC and improved touring classes. The TC gives us that "spec" car so it's really tune versus tune and I like that the improved touring is power/weight, which we really haven't explored.
     
  22. Motor City Hami

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    The Improved Touring class could really be just four cars. The Spec Miata class is cool because of the special paint liveries. I think there may be a few duplicates in there?
     
  23. XDesperado67

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    I like the idea of having one or two classes just for new tuners/non-podium finishers.
    Should encourage some people to enter as they won't have the intimidation factor of going against the big names straight out of the gate so to speak.
    Some folks are confident enough to just dive in and that's great. But, there are a number of people who may say to themselves, "how can I hope to compete with the likes of @praiano63 , @Motor City Hami , @Johnnypenso etc."
    A seperate class free of past winners/finalists takes that pressure off and will ensure that some new names start making their mark in FITT.
    I'd like to see this not just the Miata challenge being proposed but most future events as well.
    Then, and I know it's early in the year yet, have a year end Master's challenge open only to podium finishers.:gtpflag:
     
  24. Ronald6

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    I like the idea of two classes, one the TC, the other limited to non-FITT winners. That's my understanding of what the idea is. I might just enter that as a tuner.
     
  25. Motor City Hami

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    Does anyone know the difference between the three sets of Miata like this?

    Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
    Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04

    Does one drive with the top down? Are any of these with a hard top? Any other differences?
     
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    Question?
    have to tune each specific or choose (135CV, 200hp, or 500pp):confused:
     
  27. Ridox2JZGTE

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    I am making a replica of Roadster Turbo NB, and have been buying all NB cars, they are different more based on years, for '04, I think the difference is in custom suspension spring rate range if I remember correctly. I know that the pre 2000 NB has no sequential valve timing stuff on the 1.8 engine, so it has lower redline at 6.5K ( 142HP ) - this also affected gearing with much closer spacing on stock gearbox, while the newer year ( 150+HP ) has valve timing and higher redline ( 7+K ) - wider spacing on stock gearbox, the 1st gen NB custom suspension can go lower in spring rate range :) I am using this 1st gen NB for my replica. I hate PD for not accurately use stock spring rate spec, much too high :( higher than the Bilstein fitted on the Turbo Roadster '03 :crazy:

    Also found something peculiar with camber on some NB, they seem to react well to camber around 0.5 to 1.2 all around, which is weird ... I have been testing and tuning replica at Tsukuba on comfort medium ( stock tire grip level - Bridgestone Turanza ER30/Trampio Vimode ), and found the car more stable and responsive with a bit of camber.
     
  28. Motor City Hami

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    Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
    Cost 23,500
    Simple interior
    Soft top shown in dealership
    1,839 cc
    157 hp/7,000 rpm
    125.1 ft-lb/5,500 rpm
    L 155.7
    W 66.1
    H 48.6
    1,080 kg
    Top up on track

    Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
    Exact same specs shown in dealership
    Top up on track

    Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04
    Exact same specs shown in dealership
    Top up on track

    I think we can narrow this field down to just four cars.
     
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    Plus, I think I like the structure.

    Spec Miata open only to non-podium finishers.
    Tuners can choose two classes to enter.

    I cannot enter Spec Miata, so as of right now I think I would enter the '07 Roadster and the Roadster Touring Car classes. I love both of these cars. Plus, it could put Praiano, ACSR, DB, JohnnyP, Theo, Newdriver and other top tuners head to head in the same car. That should be really fun.

    Any other feedback? Should I plan to launch this on Friday night?
     
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    @Motor City Hami most of the duplicated Miata/MX5 in game are because of different sales regions using seperate naming conventions. If you look at the in game description it should clarify where each "model" was sold. Each year should have 3 "models" in game, Japanese, European and American market. Other than name they should be identical, however, you may want to do a careful comparison of build ups because PD has been known to give JDM version cars a bit extra sometimes.:odd: