FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

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Vaxxtx
Let me end this right here than. NO. It doesnt. People are stretching more than usual if you want to compare sounds of GT5. Car models? Sure. Physics. You bet! Music in game. We can compare those!

Actual gameplay sounds? L O freekin L. 1000+ cars, and a handful sound decent. An even smaller amount sound good.

I dont give a damn what sound system you have. Crap sounds = crap. Seriously, at least debate something worth debating.
Voice of reason. Thank goodness...
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Well, it seems the deeper we go into this debate the more blinded people become by their favorite game.
 
Vaxxtx
To be honest, if you want to replicate sounds in a cockpit that a driver hears, it would be pretty much muffled. Considering earplugs, or headphones, as well as a helmet. Shift2 replicated it decently. In "Helmet" cam its muffled a bit (not enough to be true to RL), and in cockpit cam its more clear.

Thats the funny thing people talking about GT5 being able to hear the other cars, but in reality, you would be hard pressed to hear them over say...your R8 LMS.
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If I was in a R8 LMS driving against production cars In GT the sound would drown out the other cars. Its a fact that when driving against the AI/ friends and they have exhaust upgrades vs you having a stock exhaust their cars are way louder than yours, so I don't get your point.
 
Vaxxtx
To be honest, if you want to replicate sounds in a cockpit that a driver hears, it would be pretty much muffled. Considering earplugs, or headphones, as well as a helmet. Shift2 replicated it decently. In "Helmet" cam its muffled a bit (not enough to be true to RL), and in cockpit cam its more clear.

Thats the funny thing people talking about GT5 being able to hear the other cars, but in reality, you would be hard pressed to hear them over say...your R8 LMS.
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I disagree about being hard pressed hear another car in reality while driving a race car. An extreme example is that F1 drivers can go by sound on how close they are to another F1 car in situations such as when it is raining heavily.

About sound, GT5 has the most to benefit from a better sound system as it supports 7.1 audio. However I do think that sound in GT5 is a bit too generic. The sounds when changing into cars from the garage sound a lot better, so hopefully they can implement the actual noise of the engines better in future GT games or maybe even in the Spec 2 update. However it could be due to hardware / performance limitations for not including better sound, I hope it is as that will mean they might have good sound samples of the cars ready to implement. If not they will have a lot of work to do on that part.
 
I don't know though, on a go kart I can't hear anyone except when they are like 3 feet away.

There's a psychological factor too, it's like playing guitar part of a song you usually listen to, after you do that you will notice your own track a lot more than the vocal.
 
saidur_ali
I disagree about being hard pressed hear another car in reality while driving a race car. An extreme example is that F1 drivers can go by sound on how close they are to another F1 car in situations such as when it is raining heavily.

About sound, GT5 has the most to benefit from a better sound system as it supports 7.1 audio. However I do think that sound in GT5 is a bit too generic. The sounds when changing into cars from the garage sound a lot better, so hopefully they can implement the actual noise of the engines better in future GT games or maybe even in the Spec 2 update. However it could be due to hardware / performance limitations for not including better sound, I hope it is as that will mean they might have good sound samples of the cars ready to implement. If not they will have a lot of work to do on that part.
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I dont think its down to hardware... I run Shift 2 with the same hardware and it sounds a all lot better, hell even Ferrari race experience sounds better than GT5 (cockpit and bumper cam replays and chase GT does it better)

The thing is that I think that to replicate the cockpit and bumper cam PD instead of using real recordings they syntesized the original sounds and it came out crap and digital... might not be true but thats what it seems to me.
 
JDMKING13
If I was in a R8 LMS driving against production cars In GT the sound would drown out the other cars. Its a fact that when driving against the AI/ friends and they have exhaust upgrades vs you having a stock exhaust their cars are way louder than yours, so I don't get your point.
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Talking about RL not a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSRWCoNvM-k&feature=related

How much, and how clear do you think you could hear someone close to you? Also think they headphones, and helmet on as well.


Daverytimes
Well, it seems the deeper we go into this debate the more blinded people become by their favorite game.
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Yes, people are actually trying to say sounds in GT5 are better than most...which I strongly disagree with. Thanks for your awesome contribution to the discussion.

JJ72
I don't know though, on a go kart I can't hear anyone except when they are like 3 feet away.

There's a psychological factor too, it's like playing guitar part of a song you usually listen to, after you do that you will notice your own track a lot more than the vocal.
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It certainly differs from car to car. But putting on earphones and a helmet muffels the sounds anyway.

Just like WWII flight sims. If they want them to be authentic in sounds, it would be more wind noise, NO other aircraft engine sound, and firing guns would sound like a click not a bang. But that wouldnt sound very good. :)
 
I tried playing with my helmet on, but to compensate I turned the volume up so much I got complaints from my neighbours. :D It was also very hard to breath when you are not moving.
 
I was in a b-class race in Forza 3 the other night, I had a Beemer and there was a CTS-V bearing down on me. Literally all I could hear under pressure through the last few corners was that supercharger whining away a few feet from my rear bumper.

I too do not understand how anyone can say that GT5 has better car sounds than Forza 3. Maybe in one or two cases, but (as is the case with a lot of things in GT5 unfortunately) they do not make up for the huge number of truely awful car sounds that appear to have been taken from a Dyson running on a dyno.

Having a big audio setup just makes the awfulness more defined and clearer.
 
Of course a real audio system will help, but if you use the same system on both games, you can clearly see the differance. All i can say is that forza 4 has improved engine sounds as well as sound effects all to geather. In fm4 you hear the cars passing by etc.
 
zr1chris
Just for your info. He is right, and maybe you are the one who is blinded by your favorite game. ;)
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I would say (and many others im sure) that here is only you blinded - you even tried on official forza forum blindly disagree that forza 4 STILL HAVE WHEEL ASSITS on simulation level.Even on that "simulation" (lol) or wharever its called,level.
And yes,im driving with wheel,so i know what im saying,lots of videos around.
So much talk about better physics.And graphics..Still same as with forza 3 - some bling bling wont make graphics better.
Oh well,there is always another forza i guess.If its not broken,Turn 10 will broke it.
 
bf3
I would say (and many others im sure) that here is only you blinded - you even tried on official forza forum blindly disagree that forza 4 STILL HAVE WHEEL ASSITS on simulation level.Even on that "simulation" (lol) or wharever its called,level.
And yes,im driving with wheel,so i know what im saying,lots of videos around.
So much talk about better physics.And graphics..Still same as with forza 3 - some bling bling wont make graphics better.
Oh well,there is always another forza i guess.If its not broken,Turn 10 will broke it.
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Playing with a controller, and steering to normal, fm4 physics is nothing like fm3, that i can assure you, because i have fm3 as well. So no, you dont know what you are saying according to me. Everybody that has played fm4 says that the physics are different and improved....
 
bf3
I would say (and many others im sure) that here is only you blinded - you even tried on official forza forum blindly disagree that forza 4 STILL HAVE WHEEL ASSITS on simulation level.Even on that "simulation" (lol) or wharever its called,level.
And yes,im driving with wheel,so i know what im saying,lots of videos around.
So much talk about better physics.And graphics..[B]Still same as with forza 3 - some bling bling wont make graphics better.Oh well,there is always another forza i guess.If its not broken,Turn 10 will broke it[/B].
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I have no idea what you mean...especially in the bolded parts. Try to make some sense please.

Bling Bling wont make graphics better? Isnt that what the cool term "bling bling" means?

Oh well...
 
I played Forza 3 for an hour before I tried Forza 4 and the physics are completely different. The cars handle more like I'd expect in real life. Not that I have ever driven a Ferrari or an STI but I have driven 60's Mustangs IRL and it felt about the same as the Cougar. Far improvement over F3.
I used a controller with all assists off except ABS and difficulty hard.
 
bf3
I would say (and many others im sure) that here is only you blinded - you even tried on official forza forum blindly disagree that forza 4 STILL HAVE WHEEL ASSITS on simulation level.Even on that "simulation" (lol) or wharever its called,level.
And yes,im driving with wheel,so i know what im saying,lots of videos around.
So much talk about better physics.And graphics..Still same as with forza 3 - some bling bling wont make graphics better.
Oh well,there is always another forza i guess.If its not broken,Turn 10 will broke it.
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That post failed miserably and as you can see by the 2 posts below yours I'm not the only one who thinks so. The graphics are hugely improved and EVERYONE has said that even the GT5 faithful in most cases. You are the only blind one who doesn't see it.

Steering assist is still under debate of what exactly is going on since Dan G swears up and down that there is no assist but I will give you that one anyway but even then the base of the physics engine is still vastly improved.
 
BryCivicSi
I found your problem. :ouch:
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Can you elaborate?

BryCivicSi
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Lose argument, post picture.

zr1chris
Not a story as I have the FM4 demo and my 6.1 audio right in front of me.
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That doesn't matter. People that don't have the game know more than you about the game. Experience doesn't matter anymore ;)

zr1chris
I don't know why you GT fans come over here then if you don't seem to like FM and think that all that's here is a bunch of FM fanboys. If you look back far enough you will see the core group from this forum have likes and dislikes for both games. (FM3 and GT5) So far FM4 truly looks like it might be the new king of console racers but right now I can only judge by the demo that I have and my final verdict will have to wait until the full game comes out and I have had time to go through it to see what the downfalls are. So far from what I have seen from the demo there really isn't much to complain about but I still have a few and Iv'e mentioned them already.

My biggest one and I have already mentioned it in the demo thread is the sectors being too long. I don't like tapping something 30 seconds before the finish and it invaliding the following lap. If there is a steering assist then I can believe it since it does seem a bit too forgiving in some cases but the physics are still better than FM3 and I will reserve judgement until I get the full game and drive on a proper track.
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You are falling into that hole that Luminis was talking about. They are coming over here to purposely antagonize the fans of this game. Defense mode.
 
Bogie 19th
Can you elaborate?



Lose argument, post picture.



That doesn't matter. People that don't have the game know more than you about the game. Experience doesn't matter anymore ;)



You are falling into that hole that Luminis was talking about. They are coming over here to purposely antagonize the fans of this game. Defense mode.
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Totally agree with all 4 points Bogie.
 
Bogie 19th
Can you elaborate?
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There's a saying I've heard often- no highs, no lows, must be Bose. Visit an audiophile forum or read a magazine. What you will notice is that they don't chose Bose. Their products are subpar and not worth the money. This why Bose does not produce spec sheets or facts/ proof/ testing or anything that backs up the quality of the sound coming from their products.

For example, my dad has two sets for different rooms in the house. A pair cost him $800. I put my 42" Paradigm towers up that are yes, 10 yrs old, but cost $800 for a pair. Sound quality is clear as day when you switch to mine.

Bogie 19th
Lose argument, post picture.
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Actually, I didn't feel like continuing the discussion with him so I posted the picture instead.

I would just relax man. I have no hostility and I am not a GTphile here trying to ruffle feathers. I do like the game sure. I liked it a lot. It does make me mad when people take shots at it for no reason, as it seems like people here are getting mad for GT fanboys coming here to take a shot or two at Forza. I am an equal liker of both games. Hey, if I didn't like Forza, I wouldn't have gone out last week and bought a 360, a HD, a gold account, and put a deposit down for the LCE. :)
 
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^ Most of the shots being taken at GT have had some very valid reason behind it unlike allot of the shots at FM4.

Also just because the speakers you have are better doesn't make Bose a crap quality. I don't need a spec sheet to tell me what my ears hear. My ears can't hear a spec sheet.
 
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zr1chris
^ Most of the shots being taken at GT have had some very valid reason behind it unlike allot of the shots at FM4.
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Quite possibly true. I have not tallied them up nor do I plan to. Why don't we try and take the higher road and ignore the trolls or report them when they come up. This continuing of bickering is not going to go anywhere besides getting the thread closed, right?
 
BryCivicSi
There's a saying I've heard often- no highs, no lows, must be Bose. Visit an audiophile forum or read a magazine. What you will notice is that they don't chose Bose. Their products are subpar and not worth the money. This why Bose does not produce spec sheets or facts/ proof/ testing or anything that backs up the quality of the sound coming from their products.

For example, my dad has two sets for different rooms in the house. A pair cost him $800. I put my 42" Paradigm towers up that are yes, 10 yrs old, but cost $800 for a pair. Sound quality is clear as day when you switch to mine.
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I have spent $15,000 on my home theater setup (not Bose), and I am a long time member and moderator at AVS forums, and I know setups very well. Bose make EXCELLENT equipment. Similar to Apple products, they can be overpriced, but they are well made and perform amazingly well. While their are better products out there, Bose is still an industry favorite for many.

They built a brand new theater in our city last year, with all the 3D, iMax and THX you can shake a stick at. Much of the surround is actually Bose (they received special permission to use it), and the sound is just out of this world. Saw the latest Transformers movie there. I honestly think my heart literally stopped during one of the scenes.
 
BryCivicSi
Quite possibly true. I have not tallied them up nor do I plan to. Why don't we try and take the higher road and ignore the trolls or report them when they come up. This continuing of bickering is not going to go anywhere besides getting the thread closed, right?
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Especially since I have a feeling troll incursions will only increase in coming weeks. :nervous: I don't think this section has seen the worst. I think that's coming after the 11th.
 
If everyone can practice some self control, we can get through that wave. Even if they are spreading misinformation, it will probably be best to ignore them. The only misinformation that will get spread would be to the minimal number of fans here who play both games. It's not like this Forza section is the place to go for Forza talk for the world.

Though I wish they would open up ForzaPlanet.net, since they own the domain.
 
BryCivicSi
Quite possibly true. I have not tallied them up nor do I plan to. Why don't we try and take the higher road and ignore the trolls or report them when they come up. This continuing of bickering is not going to go anywhere besides getting the thread closed, right?
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Agreed. That's why I always try and debate in a mature adult-like fashion. If someone doesn't show me respect then I can't promise the same for them. I'm ok with you however the pic you posted about "cool story bro" wasn't necessary in my book. Other than that we're cool. 👍
 
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Especially since I have a feeling troll incursions will only increase in coming weeks. :nervous: I don't think this section has seen the worst. I think that's coming after the 11th.
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As will the week after, when GT5 gets it's Spec II release and then DLC.

2 sides to the coin baby
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Back to some actual Forza/ Gran Turismo debate- I do have an honest question/ concern.

I have only recently played Forza 3 online and I wasn't too pleased. I went into I guess what is called the anything goes room where you can drive what you want. Everyone seems to get into an R1 or X rated car with a 950+ PI. And the first turn, maybe two turns into a destruction derby. Is this common or did I end up in newbie land?
And I found a lobby where everyone was restricted to the same car with no mods. There people would cheat. Same dude two races in a row, I would tailgate him to draft and hopefully catch up. He'd slam on his brakes in the middle of a straightaway to get me to ram him to get some distance between us. And I saw a lot of pushing people off the road to get ahead. Is this really common?

Admittedly, I am more used to the GT5 online feature. I like how you can set your own preferences in the room. Want to set a max PI or HP? No problem. Want to make sure everyone who races has all the aids off? No problem. Want to pick your own car and to a room vote for a track? No problem. Want to include penalties for cheating and ramming? No problem. Their online setup seems a lot more customizable and I like it. Does Forza have these sort of rooms or features that I am missing or are they just missing from online play?

If the Forza 4 online setup isn't as customizable as GT5, I will be disappointed. The rooms I joined I knew what I was getting in to and had a lot of great races. Or maybe I just haven't found the right room or know enough people on XBL to get a good race in yet.
 
Admittedly, I am more used to the GT5 online feature. I like how you can set your own preferences in the room. Want to set a max PI or HP? No problem. Want to make sure everyone who races has all the aids off? No problem. Want to pick your own car and to a room vote for a track? No problem. Want to include penalties for cheating and ramming? No problem. Their online setup seems a lot more customizable and I like it. Does Forza have these sort of rooms or features that I am missing or are they just missing from online play?

If the Forza 4 online setup isn't as customizable as GT5, I will be disappointed. The rooms I joined I knew what I was getting in to and had a lot of great races. Or maybe I just haven't found the right room or know enough people on XBL to get a good race in yet.
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In Forza3 , if you want to play a customizable online , you must play in " private lobby " only .
But dont worry , in Forza4 , customizable online public is back ! Same as Forza2 or GT5 :) And talking online , the net code of Forza is soooo far better than GT5 netcode. The gameplay and the car's reaction are the same as offline ( if you play with people of your region off course ... )
Gt5's online have a lot of options is right , but the netcode is bad and finally the online play came a little bit useless IMO ...
 
Jojo6251
In Forza3 , if you want to play a customizable online , you must play in " private lobby " only .
But dont worry , in Forza4 , customizable online public is back ! Same as Forza2 or GT5 :) And talking online , the net code of Forza is soooo far better than GT5 netcode. The gameplay and the car's reaction are the same as offline ( if you play with people of your region off course ... )
Gt5's online have a lot of options is right , but the netcode is bad and finally the online play came a little bit useless IMO ...
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Awesome! And good to hear that online and offline physics will be the same. I was pissed the first time tuned a car, took 3 days, and did it offline. Handled worse than what I started with when I put it online. GT5 of course.
 

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