All i'm saying is GT5 cars do sound good.
Oh, I'm not saying anything different. There are some that sound good, which I said myself. The majority doesn't, that's all I'm saying.
You preach a surround system doesn't help GT5
I'm not. All I'm saying is:
- If you need an expensive sorround sound system to get good sound out of GT5, that's not exactly a good thing.
- Even a sorround sound system isn't magically enhancing anything and everything and makes xars that sound totally off perfectly realistic.
- A good sorround sound system will also help to bring out the best in FM3/4's sound.
What makes me laugh is when people where coming in hear saying how the assist where not off in FM4, you and others start going off telling people they have different version of the demo being very defensive or it still feels good to me etc.
What makes me love is that you either failed to read my posts or are mistaking me for someone else.
What I said:
- I won't bother debating that stuff until I have seen some better videos of the retail version showing the same issues.
- If it wasn't visible, most people wouldn't notice what's wrong.
- The majority of people lacks the experience to tell "feeling good" from "feeling realistic."
Did you own a surround sound for GT5?
No, just a set of high-end headphones. Also heard it on a friend's Acoustimass 9 and, while better, it didn't put it in the same league as Forza 3/4. Granted, GT5 with a good sorround system does sound better than FM3 does on my TV (not on the headphones), but both using the same system, FM sounded better all the time.
I am a FM fan and a GT5 fan
Why, then, is it such a big problem when someone says that PD needs to step up their game in the sound department for most of their cars?
Nobody is "weeping with joy" over anything, we are just correcting the inconsistencies and generalization that is in full display in this thread.
As in, most cars sounding a lot worse than they do in FM3/4?
Unproven stuff? how many times will this video be posted? and it seems that you are avoiding it?
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What does this videos show us? The very same thing I said, I think: There are some exceptions in GT5 that do sound good. I posted one myself. So, big deal?
About the unproven stuff: The idea that every car that sounds bad inaccurate suddenly sounds good on a high-end system. While some cars still sound good in a Youtube video, which doesn't seem to make sense.
The video you posted is a perfect example. It shows a host of cars that sound like vacuum cleaners and then goes to show the few exceptions - whicha re, strangely, working fine in that video.
As I said, I find it very interesting how a sorround sound system is supposed to enhance the sound for so many cars while some are perfectly fine.
Oh and you just indirectly agreed that GT5 might sound good with a high end device
Nobody's saying otherwise. The right cars sound good all the time, and with a decent system, GT5 does sound a lot better than it does on a TV. Thing: In Forza, the cars that sound bad seem to be the exception and it does sound better when listened to on a high-eend sorround sound system as well.
but that it's nothing to "weep with joy over",
Exactly. I find it a bit mindboggling that you and some other people seem perfectly happy with GT needing an expensive audio setup to work properly.
yet you are accusing me of clinging to unproven stuff.
Yup, the idea that a good sound system makes all of the issues go away.
You yourself have already seen the "Unproven stuff" and you have confirmed that the "Unproven stuff" is working and then you went on to dismiss it anyways.
I don't think saying "it does sound better on a 5.1" equals "the reason it sounds so bad is
just because it needs a 5.1" are the same thing, really.
Seems to me like most people in here don't like PD and/or GT just because they can.
The reasons I don't like GT5 (and GT5 only, by the way) is because it wasn't up to the standard PD set themselves with GT1, 2, 3 and 4. I want GT to get to that level again. If you guys don't that's fine. I'm not satisfied with a GT getting mid-eighty score on metacritic when it got mid-nineties with GT3.
And as for PD, I think it's their strange design decisions and the strange managing decisions that let to that. I dislike that their communications where their fans is that bad, I how Kazunori claims to not care about the competition when that's one of the things he'd better do.
I could go more in-depth on this whole topic, but I guess I'll reserve a full-length rant about that for another day. But, if you're satisfied with the direction GT has taken, that's cool. I'm not. Not at all.
But, hey, whatever you guys say. You know, I'm sure I just went out and payed about 550 for a PS3, GT5 on release day and a used DFGT
and go to the length of trying to get into it for about two months, just so I could say I 'hate' the game with more credibility.
That's how dedicated a hater I am!
Absolutely, no one is arguing that. It's just that nothing good can be said about GT5 in this thread. It seems that any praise that is directed towards GT5 is challenged by our resident Forza experts.
I think some of us who you're considering as GT5 'haters' said our fair share of good stuff about GT5.
- Looks great in photo mode, especially Photo Travel.
- Premium models still being more detailed (ignoring the fistfull of Autovista cars)
- Has Weather.
- Has dynamic day/night cycles.
- Free online play.
- In-car replay cameras
- Cockpits still slightly better visually.
That's all stuff that should be found on the last few pages. However, what I've said (and read from others) is that all the good things come with a downside. Whether it's features not being available to the majority of cars and/or tracks, severly limiting the choice of stuff you can do when you want that great experience that's always being talked about. Or technical problems tarnishing the otherwise great stuff. Or things just being half-baked to the point one doesn't care about anymore.
With each of the good points below, there's one or more issues that diminish the good things about it.
For all I care, go on and consider everyone who doesn't praise GT5 for implementing half-done features and stuff that's buried under a heap of issues as some sort of hater. I, for one, just can't see how you guys can be so happy with that.
I don't know what he is talking about, but in my opinion GT5 has the best all around sound. Cant wait to see what FM4 is about. 👍
See, that's something I can't get my head around. I have
such hard time understanding why GT5's sound would be best to someone. Granted, opinions are opinions and to each their own, but I don't get it. When there are games like Shift 2 out there (to get away from Forza for a second). I mean, Shift 2 had some overdone stuff in it, but the sound was pretty dang awesome overall. Better than FM3 and far better than GT5, as far as I am concerned.
Don't get me wrong, I don't even want to go into that debate anymore, but I don't know of a single person outside of this forum (and even here, it seems like it's mostly a select few that are saying so, by the way) that would agree that GT5 sounds better than Forza or, even moreso, Shift 2.
As I said, opinions are opinions and to each their own, I just don't get it so don't expect me to agree with that.
Well this is a GT site and this is GT VS FM thread so I don't know what you expect, and as long as that steering assist is still there FM will never be the new racer kings of console In my opinion.
That's all good and if it's not going to be your racer of choice, that's perfectly fine. Nobody knows what's going on under GT5's hood, though.
Thing is, what happens when the physics feel better than GT5's, even with the steering assist? Is it still second to GT5 just because people know the assist is there?
Just an assumption, of course. I'm not claiming it to be that way, it's just a hypothetical question.
I bought a PS3 for GT5, and a 360 for Forza 2.
Also, is it just me or do I think FM3s graphics are great in person on your screen? The pictures may be crap but in person it looks great
I do think it looks better in person and on videos than in pictures. FM4 seems to just look a tad better when in motion. I don't quite get how T10 managed to mess that one up, though.
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I was never debating "you need a wheel to properly experience these games", but it definitely makes much sense no? it is a racing game, and driving in real life is usually with a steering wheel no? So I think it is a given to properly experience a simulation based driving game is with a wheel.💡
I was debating quality of wheel though.
Needing a wheel (high-end or cheap, doesn't matter) is perfectly fine indeed. What doesn't seem to be perfectly fine is needing different, eexpensive equipment that's not required as much with different games.
And I think that was the point he was initially trying to make: It's not cool if you
have to go out and buy an expensive sourround sound system because you can't enjoy a game fully on what you've already get - where every other game you're playing works perfectly fine on, to boot.
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