FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[tribolik]

It could just be the steering wheel. When ISR tried the T500RS, they said they could appreciate how great the physics were in GT5. Something along them lines anyway. I will try out the demo before buying this time, don't want to be dissapointed in the driving physics like FM3.

That and the hydrolic cockpit....

I actually got quite dizzy from it
It surely positively influenced my perceiption of the CSR's Force feedback, but I think it didn't do much in regard to the actual physics. Most of what I perceived there seemed to hold true when playing with the controller on those crappy small screens without sound or anything

Guess the physics are the same for all controlers and you tryed the xbox controler also so....

 

[bullet360]

Wow. You forget what you posted? I also asked why you called me a fanboy, and got response either. Did you forget that as well?

I apologise for the confusion, i meant the ai isnt great from the start, thats what i was trying to imply from the start, i was hoping that comparing it to gt3's ai and gt4's ai was bad enough but i guess you disregarded that comment. and i was replying to a good 2 or 3 of you (including the moderater) so i must have confused isnt with is and vice-versa. And i called you a fanboy because i was referring your ignorance towards forza's 8 cars on track as apposed to gt's 12 and 16... Another answer you seemed to have missed. Clearly i have forgotten nothing, you are just mis-understood...

:edit: that is why i mis-interpreted you as a fanboy, your ignorance and assumptipns of me "forgetting" rather than you doing the deed of thouroughly reading my comments which got us here in the first place....

 

[Luminis]

Guess the physics are the same for all controlers and you tryed the xbox controler also so....

Due to the insane amount of waiting one had to endure for just two laps in the hydraulic rig, most of the experience I gathered is actually from playing with the controller.

I would've loved to get some seat time with a normal setup and a DFGT-esque wheel, just to get an unbiased comparison, but alas, I couldn't.

 

[Vaxxtx]

I apologise for the confusion, i meant the ai isnt great from the start, thats what i was trying to imply from the start, i was hoping that comparing it to gt3's ai and gt4's ai was bad enough but i guess you disregarded that comment. and i was replying to a good 2 or 3 of you (including the moderater) so i must have confused isnt with is and vice-versa. And i called you a fanboy because i was referring your ignorance towards forza's 8 cars on track as apposed to gt's 12 and 16... Another answer you seemed to have missed. Clearly i have forgotten nothing, you are just mis-understood...

Read-read the FIRST post on this thread, which was quoted above. Also re-read my posts. You seem to miss quite a few things, that make dicussing things with you impossible. Done trying.

Clearly you HAVE forgotten quite a few things, or choose to ignore them.

 

[jabofu]

Due to the insane amount of waiting one had to endure for just two laps in the hydraulic rig, most of the experience I gathered is actually from playing with the controller.

I would've loved to get some seat time with a normal setup and a DFGT-esque wheel, just to get an unbiased comparison, but alas, I couldn't.

I played it too and I was sceptic like everybody else around here before. It is just that when you havent played FM 4 yet, you cant understand that is is really that good.

From my experience with FM 4, I can say that this is not hype or overexcitement by Luminis and me.

 

[bullet360]

Read-read the FIRST post on this thread, which was quoted above. Also re-read my posts. You seem to miss quite a few things, that make dicussing things with you impossible. Done trying.

Clearly you HAVE forgotten quite a few things, or choose to ignore them.

JUST like you have done to me? Agree'd we aren't convincing one another anyway... I clearly showed you where you were wrong and yet you cant seem to show in text where i was wrong, I was ONLY stating a factual opinion CLEARLY stated by kaz on how HE likes the cars look without stickers and sponsers, never did I ever say that idea is more superior than everything and everythig else is inferior, you misread my comments enough to think that i commented worse,
BUT the fanboyism that WAS commented by me is clearly stated in my last post, so how about you start reading back... Good luck sorting this out cause quite frankly im done...

All the best towards you and your goals...
CHEERS !

 

[Scaff]

BUT the fanboyism that WAS commented by me is clearly stated in my last post, so how about you start reading back...

Re-read my opening post in this thread in regard to the use of the term 'fanboy', because if you use it again I'm giving you a two day temp-ban from GT Planet.

You may well be posting form an iPad, but that does not excuse the appealing grammar, attitude or disregard for the staff and the site rules.

You will not be getting another warning.


Scaff

 

[bullet360]

Re-read my opening post in this thread in regard to the use of the term 'fanboy', because if you use it again I'm giving you a two day temp-ban from GT Planet.

You may well be posting form an iPad, but that does not excuse the appealing grammar, attitude or disregard for the staff and the site rules.

You will not be getting another warning.

Scaff

I just genuinely felt that he should be replied with what he interpreted himself as... That gives him the right to say and respond what ever or how ever he wants in such a manner? I am NOT testing or telling you to prove how you can or will remove me from gt planet, i just fail to realise why im the ony one being punished, I try to respond in the manner i have been replied to. That is all, mutual fairness is all i wish
!!! :EDIT: !!!
My example in harmony

edit: that is why i mis-interpreted you as a fanboy, your ignorance and assumptipns of me "forgetting" rather than you doing the deed of thouroughly reading my comments which got us here in the first place...

 

[McLaren]

I never said liveries were a bad thing in a game, i was merely stating a quote kazunori said himself, he doesn't like damge and he doesn't like stickers, and never did i say natural beauty is superior...

I never said you did, either. However, I said you were acting that way by route you chose to "quote" Kaz's words about "natural beauty" & him supposedly despising "stickers".

It gives the impression you're not fond of liveries either, as I don't believe Kazunori was that blunt with his words regarding damage & liveries.

 

[bullet360]

I never said you did, either. However, I said you were acting that way by route you chose to "quote" Kaz's words about "natural beauty" & him supposedly despising "stickers", gives the impression you're not fond of the liveries either.

I don't believe Kazunori was that blunt with his words regarding damage & liveries, but you made it appear that way.

Well in quite a few magiznes that I bought myself, within quotes, that is what he said... I wasnt meaning to "support" his factual opinions, i was only trying to "state" the fact of the opinion that which is being said.

Edit

Like i said, im quite fond of liveries, it brings out personality. It expresses how and who you are as an individual through your Art...
Or it atleast should anyway =/

 

[Vaxxtx]

I just genuinely felt that he should be replied with what he interpreted himself as... That gives him the right to say and respond what ever or how ever he wants in such a manner? I am NOT testing or telling you to prove how you can or will remove me from gt planet, i just fail to realise why im the ony one being punished, I try to respond in the manner i have been replied to. That is all, mutual fairness is all i wish
!!! :EDIT: !!!
My example in harmony

edit: that is why i mis-interpreted you as a fanboy, your ignorance and assumptipns of me "forgetting" rather than you doing the deed of thouroughly reading my comments which got us here in the first place...

Are you just testing mods by putting that in your post again?? Seriously? I really dont want this thread closed. Most of it has been decent.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Are you just testing mods by putting that in your post again?? Seriously? I really dont want this thread closed. Most of it has been decent.

If they close the thread because someone called someone a fanboy, thats just weak.
Plus, It's not like he called you something bad, why is fanboy a bad word on this forum?

/Confused.

Is this forum for little kids, or adults?

 

[PzR Slim]

If they close the thread because someone called someone a fanboy, thats just weak.
Plus, It's not like he called you something bad, why is fanboy a bad word on this forum?

/Confused.

Is this forum for little kids, or adults?

Read the OP. It's an inflammatory term that will lead this thread away from its intended purpose. Ask yourself a question, do adults or little kids call people names?

 

[Spagetti69]

Fanman FTW.

 

[bullet360]

Well this is why i try to avoid threads and forums like these, no matter how hard we try or how much we try to convince, we are never going to change the minds of those on the other side of the screen...
Sure there is decent discussion, but has anybody here been swayed to switch consoles that aren't in between?

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Read the OP. It's an inflammatory term that will lead this thread away from its intended purpose. Ask yourself a question, do adults or little kids call people names?

It's the internet though, I can care less whether someone thinks I'm a fanboy or not.
If they go into further name calling then fine, but fanboy?
C'mon son.

Plus, the mods can just delete what they dont want to see, instead of closing the thread.
Not that hard.

Well this is why i try to avoid threads and forums like these, no matter how hard we try or how much we try to convince, we are never going to change the minds of those on the other side of the screen...
Sure there is decent discussion, but has anybody here been swayed to switch consoles that aren't in between?

I always thought GT5 was pretty weak, but I saw some things on this forum and I bought a PS3 to play it, so I was kind of swayed.

 

[Scaff]

I just genuinely felt that he should be replied with what he interpreted himself as... That gives him the right to say and respond what ever or how ever he wants in such a manner? I am NOT testing or telling you to prove how you can or will remove me from gt planet, i just fail to realise why im the ony one being punished, I try to respond in the manner i have been replied to. That is all, mutual fairness is all i wish
!!! :EDIT: !!!
My example in harmony

edit: that is why i mis-interpreted you as a fanboy, your ignorance and assumptipns of me "forgetting" rather than you doing the deed of thouroughly reading my comments which got us here in the first place...

You are the only one being warned right now because you are the only one in this thread who is consistently ignoring the staff and the AUP.

For the very, very, very last time, use good basic grammar and that includes single I's being capitalised. Its not 'i' its 'I'.

If they close the thread because someone called someone a fanboy, thats just weak.
Plus, It's not like he called you something bad, why is fanboy a bad word on this forum?

/Confused.

I assume as you are posting in here that you have read the opening post, in which case that should be rather clear to you.

Is this forum for little kids, or adults?

Its a forum for adults, which means members are expected to be able to discuss points and argue them without the need to hurl insults at each other and/or used derogatory terms that will simply result in arguments.

Attack the point not the person, its a basic cornerstone of adult discussion, kids hurl insults, adults don't. If you disagree with this view (as is your right) then I would suggest that GT Planet is not the place you think it is.


Scaff

 

[bullet360]

Are you just testing mods by putting that in your post again?? Seriously? I really dont want this thread closed. Most of it has been decent.

You told me your done trying and i agree'd, i tried leaving with a positive response... Can we move on? Yes i have been warned twice and i am now choosing my words wiser than i have before, I have learned my lesson. Good bye now?

 

[Scaff]

You told me your done trying and i agree'd, i tried leaving with a positive response... Can we move on? Yes i have been warned twice and i am now choosing my words wiser than i have before, I have learned my lesson. Good bye now?

This......

You told me your done trying and I agree'd, I tried leaving with a positive response... Can we move on? Yes I have been warned twice and I am now choosing my words wiser than I have before, I have learned my lesson. Good bye now.


....do it whenever you post. I'm very tired of asking politely.


Scaff

 

[bullet360]

This......

You told me your done trying and I agree'd, I tried leaving with a positive response... Can we move on? Yes I have been warned twice and I am now choosing my words wiser than I have before, I have learned my lesson. Good bye now.

....do it whenever you post. I'm very tired of asking politely.

Scaff

I sincerely apologise, I know you shouldnt be looking after me and over my posts to make sure im following the proper etiquette... I sincerely appreciate the fact you are maintaining the forums, not the fact that you have to correct me and warn me multiple times to get it right, but again...

Thanks !

 

[DearSX]

I'll just need to wait and see how good FM4. Many said FM3 was on the same level as GT5, and I respectfully disagree.

Physics matter more than anything, even car selection to me. It would be nice to see FM4 deliver even more than GT5. I really appreciate GT5 though.

 

[Luminis]

All I can say is, try to try the game for yourself. As long as you're not considering GT5 to be the yard stick it should measure up against, I think that FM4 shouldn't disappoint you.

 

[Luminis]

You'd think that it's not that hard to follow the AUP, right? And, I mean, I'd be hard pressed to act as level headed as the mods do, at least.

But, anyways, shouldn't we, like, keep this thread on topic? At least a wee bit?
With the new video showcasing Road America and a C6R, I though there was something bound to be brought up here, right? Especially since that track was one of the more important ones that GT5 skipped (in my opinion, at least). Then again, I found FM3's track selection to be quite decent, anyways - apart from the altered Nordschleife, of course.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You'd think that it's not that hard to follow the AUP, right? And, I mean, I'd be hard pressed to act as level headed as the mods do, at least.

But, anyways, shouldn't we, like, keep this thread on topic? At least a wee bit?
With the new video showcasing Road America and a C6R, I though there was something bound to be brought up here, right? Especially since that track was one of the more important ones that GT5 skipped (in my opinion, at least). Then again, I found FM3's track selection to be quite decent, anyways - apart from the altered Nordschleife, of course.

The trees looked good in that Road America video, but frame rate was not that good, maybe because of being a replay?

 

[Spagetti69]

Yes I noticed a stutter too Ali.

 

[Griffith500]

I imagine it's because it was aired on TV. Different native frame-rates, so it would stutter. 👍

 

[Luminis]

I imagine it's because it was aired on TV. Different native frame-rates, so it would stutter. 👍

I'd assume something along those lines as well. Forza isn't exactly known for having issues with its framerate.

 

[HBK]

I'd assume something along those lines as well. Forza isn't exactly known for having issues with its framerate.

Forza 3 ? Not exactly (known for having issues with its framerate). Not even a tiny bit.

Forza 4 ? I hope not. I have faith. But we'll see. Right now it looks good. But we have yet to stress the game in, you know, some extreme conditions (16 cars with smoke and what else).

 

[Northstar]

I imagine it's because it was aired on TV. Different native frame-rates, so it would stutter. 👍

It wasn't on TV, it was an internet stream, which would explain it as internet speeds vary quite a bit.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I thought I'd bring this up here, as a different subject that's been brought up recently with the DBR1 image, and this one:

Specifically - Photomode stuff! This isn't about the physics, or how Photomode is "fluff"; I love my racing games for the, y'know, racing, but a lot of us have fun with Photomode in GT5, and I'm certainly curious as to how the two games contrast and compare in this regard.

A few people mentioned how the DBR1 looked like a GT5 shot... and taking into account the improved lighting, and the motion-blur, it really does, which is impressive, as FM3's Photomode, while great, was hit-and-miss due to the lighting letting the rest of the package down. It's nice to see such great strides made by T10 in a relatively short time.

As for that Lotus - bloom! A frustrating bit in GT's Photomode is that bloom is in the game, but only in conjunction with the Warm or Cool filters. Want normal lighting? No fancy lighting bloom for you! It's another example of the sometimes odd choices from PD, where you expect consistency and are met with none.

What I'm curious about is how easy we'll have access to our images in regards to exporting; GT4 was the golden standard for me, letting you save straight to USB very quickly. With GT5, I do understand the reasoning behind saving first in GT5, then having to export to XMB, then to USB; times have changed, we use our consoles for far more, and having the images in-game benefits the community features. But from what I've read, XBL was required to have any decent access to images in FM3. I've never had the chance to test this, as the limited time I've spent with FM3 (about a month now, all told) has been on a borrowed 360.

Thought I'd crack open the discussion on the graphics, not so much on the hard empirical stuff, like hardware limitations, but on the features in-game that rely heavily on them (I assume images will be possible in AutoVista, for example). I'm much less concerned about the physics when I hear good things like Luminis' review, anyways