FM Vs GT - Discussion Thread (read the first post before you post)

[Jamezinho]

And yes cars in forza looks cartoony. That's what happens when you outsource your car modelling to india and vietnam.

That's at best an opinion, and one I find completely wrong at that.

While not quite on the level of GT5's premium models, Forza's cars are very detailed and accurate, all given an equal level of attention, and all have detailed cockpits.

Only 200 cars in GT5 look great compared to over double that in Forza 3. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Luminis]

I stopped reading when you said 'it only sells because of mario'

Seems like you didn't.

And yes cars in forza looks cartoony. That's what happens when you outsource your car modelling to india and vietnam.

Yeah, and what do you get when you keep it inhouse? Standard cars.

No, only Gran Turismo has issues. This is a one sided argument we might as well give up on any chance of an even handed debate. Later, baiters.

As I said, if that's how you want to spin it, fine with me. However, I for one, am not going into the GT subforum to talk smack about GT5. It's usually the GT guys that come here to complain about a game they partially don't even have any interest in. Not you, obviously, but just look at this thread and you'll get what I'm talking about.

And you don't judge a whole game based off of 1 excellent track with great physics and a premium car. You look at the entire package.

I agree with that... But a lot of people seem to think that that's more than enough.

 

[Jamezinho]

is there any other game that gives you this thrill?

Driving around Trial Mountain with it's awful low-res PS2 textures, in equally low-res standard cars, using bumper/bonnet cam wasn't exactly thrilling.

See, GT5 has it's high points, but damn does it have some low points too.

 

[H3avyM3tal]

I agree with that... But a lot of people seem to think that that's more than enough.

So why are you making it sound like they are wrong?

If there is one thing I noticed over the years and with the rise of Forza, is that GT's fans like one thing about their car/sim games that Forza fans don't. It's more of priorities about what you love the most. Seems like all Forza fans talk about is features in the game, while GT fans talk about the thrill of the ride.

Just my two cents (and I hope you see what I did there).

Driving around Trial Mountain with it's awful low-res PS2 textures, in equally low-res standard cars, using bumper/bonnet cam wasn't exactly thrilling.

See, GT5 has it's high points, but damn does it have some low points too.

Many people use that cam with premium cars aswell. Me? I like the bonnet view.

It's like the only things that go through a Forza fan while they race their car is "oh wow, look at that texture we just passed! Did you see that texture?! It was damn amazing!!!". Or tree.

 

[cuco33]

Why is there a split? I'm equally a GT fan as I'm a Forza fan. But I'm more disappointed in GT due to the games they've been releasing.
I think both give you plenty of the same thrills.

 

[vandaliser]

the thrill outweighs the lows although i wouldnt call trail mountain a low either.

luminis,

firstly i can tell you never played mario kart. You should give it a try before bashing it. You would also be following your own advice regarding forza too.

As for those standard cars, well if you wanted 800 cars of the same level and finesse GT5 would be released in 20 years time. There was no time. Oh sure, if you outsourced it you might have got another 800 cockpit views but would they have been premium quality? nope. The cars would still be a notch below the premiums and we would still have complaints.

No one can match PD car models or their lighting.

 

[cuco33]

Again, 1 track + premium. So if you don't like green hell or have a standard car, you're forced to drive in hood cam (most, including me, don't mind at all) and depends if the track is on par with Nurb's quality. Add in the constant issue of aggressive downshifting to brake and that to me tosses some sim qualities out the door since damage isn't throughout the game.
I can be here doing the same making comments on issues with FM3, and FM4 when it comes out btw. In GT5 there's more lows than highs unlike Forza 3 which has more highs than lows.
That livery editor issue is only present on a handful of cars and isn't as big of an issue as you make it out to be. Same with cockpits and not working gauges (which to me is a big black eye)

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

No duh, it took them 5 or 6 years to do them.
Not everyone has that much time to release a game.

 

[Tornado]

It's like the only things that go through a Forza fan while they race their car is "oh wow, look at that texture we just passed! Did you see that texture?! It was damn amazing!!!". Or tree.

So are you giving the implication that it is alright to talk up GT5's graphics when it suits your argument, but when GT5 stumbles graphically (and it does stumble in places, hard) the only ones who care about graphics are Forza fanboys?

 

[Jamezinho]

It's like the only things that go through a Forza fan while they race their car is "oh wow, look at that texture we just passed! Did you see that texture?! It was damn amazing!!!". Or tree.

No, but I do appreciate the graphical consistency (both of cars and tracks) of Forza 3 and the smooth and steady 60fps gameplay.

I value this more than the high-points of GT5.

 

[James1436]

is there any other game that gives you this thrill?

and the answer is no. This is PD's efforts. right there. This is something that is unmatched in any car game so far. This is worth the 60 dollars in itself.

Well, Shift 2 is a good contender for a thrill.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Oh no, but no game can be as good as GT5 at night.

I call shenanigans!

 

[vandaliser]

No, but I do appreciate the graphical consistency (both of cars and tracks) of Forza 3 and the smooth and steady 60fps gameplay.

I value this more than the high-points of GT5.

each to their own.

I prefer the thrills whether it is on a tarmac like the ring, dirt like toscana, wet like SSR11 or snow.

And holy **** at that shift 2 video. That looks crazy. I am going to have to try it now

 

[H3avyM3tal]

No, but I do appreciate the graphical consistency (both of cars and tracks) of Forza 3 and the smooth and steady 60fps gameplay.

I value this more than the high-points of GT5.

Than you my friend, value graphics preety high up there. Which is ok, so do I. It's just that the only time I mind graphics in GT is when I'm not driving.

So are you giving the implication that it is alright to talk up GT5's graphics when it suits your argument, but when GT5 stumbles graphically (and it does stumble in places, hard) the only ones who care about graphics are Forza fanboys?

Are you giving the implication that it's alright to talk down GT5's graphics when it suits your argument, but when GT5 succeeds graphically (and it does succeed in places, hard) the only ones who care about graphics are GT fanboys?

 

[Tornado]

Are you giving the implication that it's alright to talk down GT5's graphics when it suits your argument, buy when GT5 succeeds graphically (and it does succeed in places, hard) the only ones who care about graphics are Forza fanboys?

If your immediate response was to be a smartass about it, than I'm going to have to assume that the answer is "Yes." Because I was asking a legitimate question.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

Who are you calling a fanboy?

If the graphics affect performance, then obviously graphics is a moot point.

 

[tribolik]

each to their own.

I prefer the thrills whether it is on a tarmac like the ring, dirt like toscana, wet like SSR11 or snow.

And holy **** at that shift 2 video. That looks crazy. I am going to have to try it now

I suggest you try it on PC or Xbox. 👍 I have the PS3 version 👎

Unfortunatly graphics junkies rule and gameplay suffers...

 

[H3avyM3tal]

If your immediate response was to be a smartass about it, than I'm going to have to assume that the answer is "Yes." Because I was asking a legitimate question.

How can you ask me a question and then dismiss it right away when asked the same? You can assume whatever you want. That is what everyone here has been doing.

Yes, GT5 has inconsistent graphics. It has the best driving simulation on consoles. Don't agree? well, there is a surprise right there. I just hate it when people start to behave just like the side they are against.

And don't be mistaken, there ARE two sides here.

 

[Akira AC]

This should be interesting.

However try to remember the OP, and no, people who wants to take sides, take sides, people who want to discuss, discuss, that's how it works.

 

[cuco33]

No, there's 3 sides. There's the GT, the FM and those in the middle who like both franchises. Just because you give some criticism of a game, it's features or it's dev doesn't instantly pin you on one side nor the other. Some here seem to think if you say anything negative about game X that means you're a fanboy for game Y, and that's simply not true.

 

[Jamezinho]

Than you my friend, value graphics preety high up there. Which is ok, so do I. It's just that the only time I mind graphics in GT is when I'm not driving.

Of course. The driving is the most important thing, which thankfully GT5 and FM3 both do a very good job of. Graphics are a secondary concern, as they should be for any gamer. All I said was I value smoothness and consistency from my graphics. That's the antithesis of the graphics whore if anything.

As said before, the GT5 hardcore like to use graphics as a stick to beat other games with when it suits them.

 

[McLaren]

is there any other game that gives you this thrill?

and the answer is no. This is PD's efforts. right there. This is something that is unmatched in any car game so far. This is worth the 60 dollars in itself.

The answer is not no. It is merely your opinion. I can run GTR2's 24 Hours of Spa w/ a 56 car grid & that delivers much more of a thrill than what just running the Nurburgring at night against a few other cars to me.

And personally, I think PGR4 comes pretty close as far as "thrills" go on the 'Ring as well.

 

[Terronium-12]

In b4 that's irrelevant because it doesn't have a 16-car grid, or it's an arcade racer, or some other nonsense.

Oh, and you should probably know he's admitted to not having played any other game besides GT and something else.

 

[Vaxxtx]

is there any other game that gives you this thrill?

and the answer is no. This is PD's efforts. right there. This is something that is unmatched in any car game so far. This is worth the 60 dollars in itself.

Want a thrill? You see because other games have damage, people are able to do things like drive the ring at night with no headlights...

http://youtu.be/G3xWxZnhUIU

 

[SlipZtrEm]

No one can match PD car models or their lighting.

Questionable, now. FM4's car models (well, the new ones) certainly look very, very similar to the models in GT5. I'm not even counting Autovista - that car-pr0n mode is staying separate for the sake of the discussion, in my mind. As for lighting - that's where FM4 looks to have made the biggest advances over its predecessor, really. Hiring an ex-Pixar guy to give them proper image-based lighting has paid huge dividends and really closed the gap. Show a bunch of people FM4 Photomode shots compared to GT5 Photomode ones, and provided all identifying logos are removed, most people would have a hard time telling.*

* - Not us crazy fanatics, mind... the average, sort of casual racer.

Add in the constant issue of aggressive downshifting to brake and that to me tosses some sim qualities out the door since damage isn't throughout the game.

Don't forget GT's auto-on traction control when you touch grass (or use reverse). It's not a huge concern, but it is a niggling issue (and sort of odd in the face of the constant "always-on aids in FM3" criticisms).

Same with cockpits and not working gauges (which to me is a big black eye)

An interesting point for people to bring up, as it's happened in both games, oddly enough.

 

[bullet360]

I just had to come in here to see if Lumy gave any kind of even-handed response that wasn't a list of defensive remarks. Well, imagine this.

The problem I have with the Forza crowd is that they circle their wagons the very same way every other fan does their fave game. And often deny they're doing it. And like many, they basically paint me as a blind fanboy who has never once mentioned the numerous issues with GT5. Hint: I know there's a 100 post history limit now, but search Tenacious D with keywords "paint shop," "XP/experience points," or any other issue you'd want to name. Most of them, not all but most, I've complained about too. But I'm not holding my breath on that.

Because many of them never agree that Forza has any issues whatsoever. Many of them won't even acknowledge that Forza is basically the entire Gran Turismo concept repackaged by Turn 10. Sure, there are a lot of unwarranted attacks on "Flopza" as some put it. Then again, there has been a distinct lack of humility coming from Microsoft on any darn thing, especially Forza. But bring up anything, and with darn rare exceptions, Forza fans will essentially respond with, "Issues?? What issues?"

No, only Gran Turismo has issues. This is a one sided argument we might as well give up on any chance of an even handed debate. Later, baiters.

Sometimes I wish scaff would open up this forum onto GTP so the forza guys could work their effort onto other forums, as "us" gt players are doing to them...
And agree'd, this forum is pretty onesided.
The ratio is 2-1 for most gt players response's.

 

[zr1chris]

Sometimes I wish scaff would open up this forum onto GTP so the forza guys could work their effort onto other forums, as "us" gt players are doing to them...
And agree'd, this forum is pretty onesided.
The ratio is 2-1 for most gt players response's.

Most of the Forza players in this section play both games. I think that makes for better discussion since there is less biased opinions that way.

 

[bullet360]

Most of the Forza players in this section play both games. I think that makes for better discussion since there is less biased opinions that way.

If only there was a site that represented players who played both game series. Enough to give them a fundamental understanding of how well the game works, and know where its flaws are.
And who's to say any of the players at gtp haven't played forza? Im not saying that you said there isnt, but I have reason to believe that there is enough to give the topic a go over there.

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

They could have a million sites, some people will never admit their game got bested.

 

[Da-Bomber]

the thrill outweighs the lows although i wouldnt call trail mountain a low either.

luminis,

firstly i can tell you never played mario kart. You should give it a try before bashing it. You would also be following your own advice regarding forza too.

As for those standard cars, well if you wanted 800 cars of the same level and finesse GT5 would be released in 20 years time. There was no time. Oh sure, if you outsourced it you might have got another 800 cockpit views but would they have been premium quality? nope. The cars would still be a notch below the premiums and we would still have complaints.

No one can match PD car models or their lighting.

I know the modeling on the Standard cars are just insane.