Formula 1 Grand Prix du Canada 2011

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Really wanted to see Schumacher get something big! But fantastic race nonetheless... watched it from 6pm til 1030pm... Loved it!!
 
We've been over this already. Button took the racing line. It's not Button's fault if someone he cannot see decides to go for a closing gap. Hamilton went for a gap that was always going to close.

Watch it again. See how Rosberg and Schumacher ahead drove the line that Button took too?

I know. Did you see Button clearly look at his mirror on the left hand side before moving onto the "racing line"? I'm not saying he saw him, I'm saying that if any blame is apportioned it shouldn't go to Hamilton.
 
In this case, I think it was more due to his tires being worn and going slightly off line into the corner.

Vettel's tires were newer (or fresher) than Button's, plus, Seb's job was to start hot lapping whereas JB had to pull off many passing maneuvers.

Now it's all down to the stewards...
 
I know. Did you see Button clearly look at his mirror on the left hand side before moving onto the "racing line"? I'm not saying he saw him, I'm saying that if any blame is apportioned it shouldn't go to Hamilton.
Watch it yet again. When Button looked in his mirrors, Hamilton was directly behind him. Hamilton only moved after Button looked forward again.
 
We've been over this already. Button took the racing line. It's not Button's fault if someone he cannot see decides to go for a closing gap. Hamilton went for a gap that was always going to close.

Watch it again. See how Rosberg and Schumacher ahead drove the line that Button took too?

Agreed. Button did see him, but Hamilton was closing so fast. When Button was looking in his mirrors, Hamilton was still around a car length behind, so Button saw it was clear to move over with the racing line. Certainly wasn't Hamilton's fault, it was a racing incident. His move on Webber early in the race was not really that bad, he was well alongside Webber and actually beat him to the apex. Webber gave him space too, but unfortunately they ended up hitting eachother, neither drivers fault, another racing incident.

We saw Button make a similar move on Barrichello shortly after the crash with Hamilton, and Barrichello gave him a good 2 car widths of space at the same point. We saw Button attempt to overtake Schumacher in the same place but he wisely backed off. (Stating pure facts here, no real point to it other than Button is showing his experience over Hamilton). Maybe Hamilton could have backed out of it, but I don't think it was too aggressive, his racing was ok today compared to Monaco.

An excellent race and i'm pretty shocked than Jenson managed to win it after so many pitstops. His last 5-10 laps were exceptional. He truely deserved the win. Who knows, we could have ended up with a Mclaren 1-2 if hamilton had not been instructed to park the car and retire, he could've swapped tyres and went to the end like Button.
 
Hamilton already said it wasn't Button's fault and Button said he couldn't see Hamilton's car in his mirrors because of the spray.

It's just a racing incident.
 
Awesome drive by Button.

I hope Hamilton can learn today that he's got all race to make moves, him and Button would've creamed them today. He was clearly faster and braking later, getting past button and Webber would've been coming.

Reminds me of Monza where very early on Hamilton just drove into Massa and effectively shot any hopes of last season being far too hasty.
 
An excellent race and i'm pretty shocked than Jenson managed to win it after so many pitstops. His last 5-10 laps were exceptional. He truely deserved the win. Who knows, we could have ended up with a Mclaren 1-2 if hamilton had not been instructed to park the car and retire, he could've swapped tyres and went to the end like Button.

Lewis' car had a broken upright or driveshaft, it wouldn't have finished the race anyway.

On another note, Vettel's body language after the race said a lot, he knew it was his to lose. Loved the look on his face when Webber said something like "Yeah we finished where we deserved to be." :lol:
 
Lewis' car had a broken upright or driveshaft, it wouldn't have finished the race anyway.

On another note, Vettel's body language after the race said a lot, he knew it was his to lose. Loved the look on his face when Webber said something like "Yeah we finished where we deserved to be." :lol:

You think that was Webber's way of saying "🤬 you for saying I'm not a threat"? :p
 
Lewis' car had a broken upright or driveshaft, it wouldn't have finished the race anyway.

On another note, Vettel's body language after the race said a lot, he knew it was his to lose. Loved the look on his face when Webber said something like "Yeah we finished where we deserved to be." :lol:

That's the second time Webber has said something like that in the post-race press conference, and I love him for it, really brings the :lol:
 
Vettel on that final lap before the mistake was phenomenal to watch. I've never seen someone take a corner as raggedly fast as he did that first chicane on lap 70.

I have...His name was Jenson Button and it was in this exact same race.
 
I hope this wasn't a false pretense for Schumey because I don't want to be looking out for him and then he reverts right back to his lackluster performances. :indiff:

Wish I had a DVR, this link I'm on keeps buffering over and over again. Just stream the replay properly!
 
Awesome drive by Button.

I hope Hamilton can learn today that he's got all race to make moves, him and Button would've creamed them today. He was clearly faster and braking later, getting past button and Webber would've been coming.

Reminds me of Monza where very early on Hamilton just drove into Massa and effectively shot any hopes of last season being far too hasty.

Hamilton pass on Button I'll give you he should have passed on the other side. I wont give you the Webber one he wasn't being eager, he saw that there was room went for it has a bit of curb hop with wet conditions and slid into Mark. He wasn't trying to hurry and that is why it's a race incident. I'm tired of people trying to frame him up like it was two weeks ago all over again.
 
Hamilton pass on Button I'll give you he should have passed on the other side. I wont give you the Webber one he wasn't being eager, he saw that there was room went for it has a bit of curb hop with wet conditions and slid into Mark. He wasn't trying to hurry and that is why it's a race incident. I'm tired of people trying to frame him up like it was two weeks ago all over again.

But the spotlight is on him after Monaco, that's just the way it is.

I don't think his driving was nearly as aggressive here. He was side by side with Webber as they entered the braking zone, it wasn't like the move on Maldonado at Monaco, it was a fair attempt at a pass (Though I reckon he could have got punished for it as it put Webber at a big disadvantage through no fault of his own). His move on Button... Well that's the sort of accident these conditions cause. And that is exactly what it was, an accident.

I'll give Hamilton something though, he was very calm in his interview afterwards (Though subtley avoided claiming responsibility for either incident). Let's hope he keeps it up and doesn't just behave when he has had the risk of a race ban bearing down on him.
 
We've been over this already. Button took the racing line. It's not Button's fault if someone he cannot see decides to go for a closing gap. Hamilton went for a gap that was always going to close.

Watch it again. See how Rosberg and Schumacher ahead drove the line that Button took too?

Button apologised to Lewis when the race was red flagged. He said he didn't see him but is man enough to admit it's his fault. I guess he just judged the closing speed of Hamilton wrong and closed the door without the thought of thinking Lewis would be that much faster to be getting close to be alongside him there. As a Hamilton fan I'm gutted as he could have possibly won the race as he looked to have a lot of speed in the race.

Anyway I'm delighted that Button won. During the end of the race, I was thinking if he can get past Webber and Schumacher he could have a good chance of winning judging by his earlier pace. Amazed how easily he got past Schumacher.

I was thinking Button's only chance would be in the final DRS Zone on the last lap and Vettel finally cracked under pressure. Vettel was pushing like crazy just at the beginning on the last lap and I thought that either he was going to go into the walls / mistake or most likely just hold on at the end with Button getting close on the straight. I'm delighted with the result and Button was the man to stop Vettel equalling his 6 wins out of 7 personal record. Insane race, and if Button receives no penalty, then this could be one of the strangest and probably best victory of Button's career. Not often, you move into your teammate, have a drive-through for safety car speed limit, apologise to teammate after Red Flags, get back on the track, have a incident and get a puncture, and still win the race. Incredible. McLaren's qualifying strategy helped them out in the race, by having a more higher downforce wing than others.

The championship seems to heavily rely on what happens at Silverstone though, if Red Bull are a second quicker with the ban on off-throttle diffusers then it might be close to impossible of catching and beating Red Bull and will rely on Vettel and Webber making a lot of mistakes.
 
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Watched all the way through and it was one of the most bizzare and best races I've watched...I even got a look at Rhianna.

I was routing for Schumi to get at least a 3rd place but at least he came 4th, best yet since his comeback! As for Jensen, possibly the drive of his life, right from the back of the field to first. Brilliant!

The long wait was worth it in my opinion.
 
Question: During one of their race flashbacks (on COX; sorry :lol:) they showed a clip of Michael being smashed from behind and then absolutely raging afterward. Who was he raging at? I can't remember...
 
Hamilton vs Webber. Clumsy but a racing incident. Hamilton's fault.

Hamilton vs Button. Racing incident. Button's fault if anyones.

So yes, something needs to be done doesn't it? :dunce:

Actually, When Button looked in his mirrors, Hamilton was behind him. Button took the racing line and any chances he had of seeing Hamilton were greatly decreased by the spray. As seen in Le Mans last night, it's up to the overtaking car to ensure that the manouver is safe. Hamilton could easily have lifted when he saw Button wasn't going to give the position up. He didn't. He expects people to move out of his way.

If he continues putting people in difficult positions the way he has been doing, then it's only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or killed. I don't like him for this very reason. He thinks he is bigger than F1 itself and doesn't play by the rules. He is a dirty driver. He is an accident waiting to happen and something's got to be done about him. He has to calm down and re-learn what battles to pick and when or someone will get hurt.

If he can't do this, he should be banned. He's starting to look like an amateur crashaholic. F1 rejects awarded him the reject of the race at Monaco. I'm sure they'll do the same here. You can flame me all you want, but he is dangerous. The past two races he's looked like a complete amateur with multiple accidents where he was either solely to blame or at least had to accept 50% of the blame. You can whine and call it racing incidents all you want, but as far as I'm concerned, there have been too many involving the same person to call them racing incidents.
 
But the spotlight is on him after Monaco, that's just the way it is.

I don't think his driving was nearly as aggressive here. He was side by side with Webber as they entered the braking zone, it wasn't like the move on Maldonado at Monaco, it was a fair attempt at a pass (Though I reckon he could have got punished for it as it put Webber at a big disadvantage through no fault of his own). His move on Button... Well that's the sort of accident these conditions cause. And that is exactly what it was, an accident.

I'll give Hamilton something though, he was very calm in his interview afterwards (Though subtley avoided claiming responsibility for either incident). Let's hope he keeps it up and doesn't just behave when he has had the risk of a race ban bearing down on him.

Yes let's hope, he did take fault for both in the end. He realized the Jenson very likely didn't see him and he ageed that Webber gave him room, but he lost the handling a bit and that's why he hit Mark. However, you make alot of rational sense unlike some.
 
I don't think Hamilton was wrong to try to overtake there, he didn't know Button hadn't seen him and/or realised he was closing so fast.

Its called a racing incident, neither driver is fully to blame. Both drivers have said they don't blame the other and they have discussed it privately.
Everyone should move on.

Hamilton's collision with Webber though was a little foolish at that stage of the race. Lewis clearly needs to calm down a lot, he can only lose races and championships with his current approach to races. Maybe thats why his fans adore him but it has really ruined a lot of his races now almost every season.
Ironically his best season has been 2009 in some ways, maybe because he didn't expect to overtake people so much and good results were much harder to come by. He was a lot more careful that season.
 
Hamilton pass on Button I'll give you he should have passed on the other side. I wont give you the Webber one he wasn't being eager, he saw that there was room went for it has a bit of curb hop with wet conditions and slid into Mark. He wasn't trying to hurry and that is why it's a race incident. I'm tired of people trying to frame him up like it was two weeks ago all over again.

Yeah, I don't go looking to criticize Hamilton, he's my favorite driver and I like to see the attacking style. Hamilton was way back and braked so much later while Webber was being very cautious. Hamilton gained so much that I feel he shouldv'e just waited a bit longer, it was inevitable to me that Lewis was going to take Webber shortly. He just needs to be a bit cooler, pace it out a bit. These hasty incidents have cost Hamilton big time.

Looking at Hamilton after the race I'm sure he knows now after watching it all that opportunities are endless.
 
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Question: During one of their race flashbacks (on COX; sorry :lol:) they showed a clip of Michael being smashed from behind and then absolutely raging afterward. Who was he raging at? I can't remember...

Coulthard, Spa 1998.

Coulthard was as far off the racing line as he could get, but Michael insisted it was Coulthard's fault. :lol:
 
Actually, When Button looked in his mirrors, Hamilton was behind him. Button took the racing line and any chances he had of seeing Hamilton were greatly decreased by the spray. As seen in Le Mans last night, it's up to the overtaking car to ensure that the manouver is safe. Hamilton could easily have lifted when he saw Button wasn't going to give the position up. He didn't. He expects people to move out of his way.

If he continues putting people in difficult positions the way he has been doing, then it's only a matter of time before someone is seriously injured or killed. I don't like him for this very reason. He thinks he is bigger than F1 itself and doesn't play by the rules. He is a dirty driver. He is an accident waiting to happen and something's got to be done about him. He has to calm down and re-learn what battles to pick and when or someone will get hurt.

If he can't do this, he should be banned. He's starting to look like an amateur crashaholic. F1 rejects awarded him the reject of the race at Monaco. I'm sure they'll do the same here. You can flame me all you want, but he is dangerous. The past two races he's looked like a complete amateur with multiple accidents where he was either solely to blame or at least had to accept 50% of the blame. You can whine and call it racing incidents all you want, but as far as I'm concerned, there have been too many involving the same person to call them racing incidents.

Yes because the same stewart that penalized him was so good with overtaking at Lemans and pulled off a move that was quite dangerous and risked many spectators lives. You sound alot like the stewarts yesterday that think the LMP1 cars have the right away, but the truth is when you're a GT you have blinding snow of light in your mirrors, with a 20 second faster car closing in on you, you do what you can to get out of the way. Just like the 24h Hamilton is expecting some more give and take, just like the GTE cars should have been given. I agree he was hasty last week, but this week it was conditions that got the better of him. You people call the same daring moves that stick brilliant but when they go the opposite way they're stupid, this paradox or double standard is asinine.
 
Coulthard, Spa 1998.

Coulthard was as far off the racing line as he could get, but Michael insisted it was Coulthard's fault. :lol:

I don't know...the way I'm reading it it does sound like Coulthard's fault. Of course I didn't see the race (unfortunately) so fill me in a bit.

Sounds like Jarno and Heikki from '09, I think it was.
 
I don't know...the way I'm reading it it does sound like Coulthard's fault. Of course I didn't see the race (unfortunately) so fill me in a bit.

Sounds like Jarno and Heikki from '09, I think it was.

Jarno and Sutil.
 
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