Formula 1 Louis Vuitton Grand Prix De Monaco 2026Formula 1 

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If the previous 4 wins hadn't confirmed it already, this race has really proven Kimi's credentials as champion elect. Of course, there is a long way to go, but managing 2 race starts, a safety car restart and the demand 78 laps of Monte Carlo without putting a single wheel wrong, really cements him as the one to beat.

Mercedes however did make a mistake, by servicing George's car instead of serving the penalty first, they destroyed his already difficult weekend. Now obviously Mercedes aren't solely to blame, George simply wasn't on the same page as Kimi this weekend, but he could have potentially salvaged a podium.

Alpine have requested a right to review on the pit lane speeding penalties, it's doubtful penalties will be reversed but clearly, what was causing it needs to be specified and new guidance put out to avoid it happening again.

It's great to see Lewis looking back to his confident best, the Mercedes and Kimi were just too fast today, but it's nice to see him finally getting a chance to shine at Ferrari and get some much needed confidence back.
 
Seeing that 5 of the 6 penalties for speeding were 60,1 km/h, I would not be surprised that there is something wrong with the radar. But I’m sure there is a paragraph somewhere they can use to not reverse the penalties. How would that even be possible for Russell?
 
Just looking at the GTP FF1 stats - because seven teams scoring no FACC points is hilarious - we already had Hamilton as #2 behind Antonelli. It's not fully relevant because it isn't close to standard scoring, but it is interesting.

Also Mercedes still pick up 18 FACC points for first and 12th :lol: It goes Racing Bulls, Mercedes, Audi, Alpine, and 0pt for everyone else...
 
psychoazubi
Seeing that 5 of the 6 penalties for speeding were 60,1 km/h, I would not be surprised that there is something wrong with the radar. But I’m sure there is a paragraph somewhere they can use to not reverse the penalties. How would that even be possible for Russell?
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They don’t use radar - they use timing loops.
 
Famine
Just looking at the GTP FF1 stats - because seven teams scoring no FACC points is hilarious - we already had Hamilton as #2 behind Antonelli. It's not fully relevant because it isn't close to standard scoring, but it is interesting.

Also Mercedes still pick up 18 FACC points for first and 12th :lol: It goes Racing Bulls, Mercedes, Audi, Alpine, and 0pt for everyone else...
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Gotta love FACC for letting the team that finished 11th and 13th end up in 3rd 😂
 
psychoazubi
Seeing that 5 of the 6 penalties for speeding were 60,1 km/h, I would not be surprised that there is something wrong with the radar. But I’m sure there is a paragraph somewhere they can use to not reverse the penalties. How would that even be possible for Russell?
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From Autosport's article:

After the eventful race in the principality, the FIA reviewed its own timing lines and measurement equipment and found no abnormalities. Instead, the governing body believes the issue is related to the line drivers chose when entering the pitlane.

In Monaco, the pit entry can be cut slightly. There is a kink at the entrance to the pitlane where drivers can effectively continue straight on the right-hand side for a short distance, gaining a few metres.

According to an FIA spokesperson, the measurement begins the moment the first wheel of the car enters the fast lane. In the case of cutting the entry, that would be the front-left wheel.

Because the system measures average speed through the pitlane using electronic timing loops embedded in the track surface and the car's official FIA transponder, all of the infringements ended up being extremely small. Over all pitlane sectors, the effect is averaged out to less than one kilometre per hour.
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DG_Silva
From Autosport's article:
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60kph v 60.1kph is 3.5cm

I doubt the loops would have moved (unless as I said they had resurfaced the pitlane).

Not sure what Gasly/Alpine were complaining about - certainly looked like he was 7m into the pitlane before hitting the limiter
 
jonoholland29
60kph v 60.1kph is 3.5cm

I doubt the loops would have moved (unless as I said they had resurfaced the pitlane).

Not sure what Gasly/Alpine were complaining about - certainly looked like he was 7m into the pitlane before hitting the limiter
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Not for the second one, he was on the limiter well before the line.

As stated above, it appears to not be to do with the cars actually speeding, but with the line they take making their ETA at the other side too quick based on what the FIA loops think it should be.
 
Is that the first time ever, in F1 history, two Australians finish in the points directly behind each other?
 
05XR8
Is that the first time ever, in F1 history, two Australians finish in the points directly behind each other?
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Happened at least once before. Japan 2012. Webber 9th and Ricciardo 10th.
 
05XR8
Is that the first time ever, in F1 history, two Australians finish in the points directly behind each other?
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What 2 Australians? There's only 1 Australian on the grid.

Lawson is from New Zealand.
 
MagpieRacer
Not for the second one, he was on the limiter well before the line.

As stated above, it appears to not be to do with the cars actually speeding, but with the line they take making their ETA at the other side too quick based on what the FIA loops think it should be.
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Speed = Distance over time. Still Speeding. They’re not estimates, they’re accurate to 0.0003 seconds
 
jonoholland29
Speed = Distance over time. Still Speeding. They’re not estimates, they’re accurate to 0.0003 seconds
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That's where the contention is though, yes they're going through the pit lane faster by virtue of the timing loop, but they're doing so without actually exceeding the pit lane speed limit as Alpine can prove on the data.

So is it a speed limit, or is it maximum time of arrival at the end of the pit lane? This is what Alpine will argue.
 
MagpieRacer
That's where the contention is though, yes they're going through the pit lane faster by virtue of the timing loop, but they're doing so without actually exceeding the pit lane speed limit as Alpine can prove on the data.

So is it a speed limit, or is it maximum time of arrival at the end of the pit lane? This is what Alpine will argue.
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I’ll check with my colleague (who is an exF1 timekeeper) - but I think they pass through 30 loops in Monaco’s pit lane. That’s 15 opportunities to speed
 
That was one of the best Monaco races I've seen. Not that it had a high bar to clear but still.
 
PaMu1337
What 2 Australians? There's only 1 Australian on the grid.

Lawson is from New Zealand.
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My mistake. Just looked up the stat.

The 1967 German Grand Prix had Denny Hulme(NZ) and Jack Brabham(AUS) finish first and second, respectively.
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For those that might still be interested…

Here’s a diagram of how the system of timing loops works in a pitlane. The pitlane will have loops installed at set distance for the length of the pitlane. In this example let’s keep it simple and say they’re every 10 meters. When a vehicle passes over these loops, it records a time stamp on a decoder. Each loop will have a decoder and the transponder in the vehicle will also record a time stamp that it detected the loop*.

Transponders are placed on the cars at the front axle (with a backup one placed on the mid-chassis, but this isn’t really used for precise timing, just a backup).

The time stamps of two loops will be compared to create a time between them which is how the FIA are determining the vehicles speed. They will do this over all loops (comparing one loop to its previous loop), not just pit entry and pit exit. If the car misses one, well there won’t be a time for that section (i.e. when they move out of the fast lane into a pit box)

The issue seems to be with drivers taking a different line, shortening the distance by approximately 3.5cm - this is where the debate is happening.

Alpine seem to be arguing that their data shows they were not speeding, but I’m not sure how they are calculating their speed/velocity - I assume they have also taken their tyre circumference into account too. The car’s GPS isn’t accurate enough I would argue compared to the transponder.

It’s complicated really - and not any issue with installation of the loops or equipment or calibration…

*this is based on the MyLaps X2 Pro timing transponder. The TR2 does not have this feature.

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So were the drivers only taking this path in the race? Because there weren't any pitlane speeding penalties issued in practice or qualifying or even warnings unless they don't publish them for those sessions.
 
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Jezza819
So were the drivers only taking this path in the race? Because there weren't any pitlane speeding penalties issued in practice or qualifying or even warnings unless they don't publish them for those sessions.
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There were several speeding fines in practice, including quite a hefty one for Colapinto who went 9kph over.
 
So they basically concluded that most penalties were likely wrong, but because it was only protested for Gasly, he's the only driver to get it undone...
 
PaMu1337
So they basically concluded that most penalties were likely wrong, but because it was only protested for Gasly, he's the only driver to get it undone...
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Yeah this plus all the drivers who have done their penalties in the race already, they just cant reduce their race time by 5 secs or reverse a drive through penalty
 
PaMu1337
So they basically concluded that most penalties were likely wrong, but because it was only protested for Gasly, he's the only driver to get it undone...
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So how long until a team thinks differently than the stewards, they instruct driver to continue - if there is penalty they will appeal. Then the stewards get upset and black flag driver, however, the team instructs driver to keep racing. Then the FIA gives the driver an extra 2 race ban.

Sounds like a pretty crazy scenario?
 
sillybilly
So how long until a team thinks differently than the stewards, they instruct driver to continue - if there is penalty they will appeal. Then the stewards get upset and black flag driver, however, the team instructs driver to keep racing. Then the FIA gives the driver an extra 2 race ban.

Sounds like a pretty crazy scenario?
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That's pretty much what Leclerc said as well.
 
sillybilly
So how long until a team thinks differently than the stewards, they instruct driver to continue - if there is penalty they will appeal. Then the stewards get upset and black flag driver, however, the team instructs driver to keep racing. Then the FIA gives the driver an extra 2 race ban.

Sounds like a pretty crazy scenario?
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