Forza 4 VS GT5 (read the first post before you contribute)

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Yeah... no. Cool story, but not even close to accurate. XID is really easy to support, that's not the issue at all. It's more like Microsoft wanted an exclusive, serious racing wheel for Forza owners, mixed with them very peculiar about what 3rd party devices they will allow on their system. It's not just wheels, it's everything. Notice that Forza logo on Fanatec wheels now? You really think Microsoft wants another competing, serious wheel on their system? No, they went with Fanatec, and aren't going to change that anytime soon. It was purely a business decision on their part to only allow one wheel for serious Forza players.

In fact if Logitech hadn't officially supported Gran Turismo, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
 
omgitsbees
Yeah... no. Cool story, but not even close to accurate. XID is really easy to support, that's not the issue at all. It's more like Microsoft wanted an exclusive, serious racing wheel for Forza owners, mixed with them very peculiar about what 3rd party devices they will allow on their system. It's not just wheels, it's everything. Notice that Forza logo on Fanatec wheels now? You really think Microsoft wants another competing, serious wheel on their system? No, they went with Fanatec, and aren't going to change that anytime soon. It was purely a business decision on their part to only allow one wheel for serious Forza players.

In fact if Logitech hadn't officially supported Gran Turismo, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
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Can you provide the proof to these claims?
 
Can you provide proof that Logitech is just lazy and chooses not to comply with Microsofts standards? When one of the biggest peripheral device makers isn't making their devices for the current biggest game console on the market, it's bit more then just "Logitech is lazy".

I mean, god damn, don't be stupid. When Fanatec started putting out wheels WITH THE FORZA LOGO on them, it's a pretty clear indication of the direction Microsoft decided to go. It matches Microsofts M.O., they have always been big on being exclusive.
 
omgitsbees
Yeah... no. Cool story, but not even close to accurate. XID is really easy to support, that's not the issue at all. It's more like Microsoft wanted an exclusive, serious racing wheel for Forza owners, mixed with them very peculiar about what 3rd party devices they will allow on their system. It's not just wheels, it's everything. Notice that Forza logo on Fanatec wheels now? You really think Microsoft wants another competing, serious wheel on their system? No, they went with Fanatec, and aren't going to change that anytime soon. It was purely a business decision on their part to only allow one wheel for serious Forza players.

In fact if Logitech hadn't officially supported Gran Turismo, we likely wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
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omgitsbees
Can you provide proof that Logitech is just lazy and chooses not to comply with Microsofts standards? When one of the biggest peripheral device makers isn't making their devices for the current biggest game console on the market, it's bit more then just "Logitech is lazy".
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G27's are still selling like hotcakes and Logitech will only pump more money into wheels when sales dwindle down. You have to remember that Forza isn't everything. And can you also explain why Microsoft allowed PS3 compatibility on their Forza branded wheels?
 
omgitsbees
Can you provide proof that Logitech is just lazy and chooses not to comply with Microsofts standards? When one of the biggest peripheral device makers isn't making their devices for the current biggest game console on the market, it's bit more then just "Logitech is lazy".

I mean, god damn, don't be stupid. When Fanatec started putting out wheels WITH THE FORZA LOGO on them, it's a pretty clear indication of the direction Microsoft decided to go. It matches Microsofts M.O., they have always been big on being exclusive.
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Do not call me stupid, I didn't refer to your intelligence or lack thereof so would appreciate it if you didn't get personal. I didn't use the word lazy, I said they didn't want to pay the royalty fee to MS. Fanatec released the PWTS with zero FM branding so your point is moot. Still waiting for that proof.
 
PzR Slim
Can you provide the proof to these claims?
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Ofcourse he cant, He is just talking out of his rear end. Confusing opinion with fact.

Microsoft make more money from licencing more products. Not just directly in licencing fees, but indirectly in systems and games sold due to the extra support. The ball is in LOGITECHS court to comply. Stop pissing and moaning because YOU chose to spend less money on a product that DOESNT comply with the licencing requirements.

Yes Fanatac is the official wheel. But Microsoft is happy to licence anybody that complies. The fact that there are other licenced 360 wheels out there by companies OTHER THAN fanatec proves that kiddo.

The proof of logitechs laziness is in the G27....its the G25 with a different box and less features. woo.

If microsoft wanted to be exclusive as you say. They would insist that the wheel NOT be compatible with other systems. Forcing all people that wanted to use the wheel to buy microsoft systems and microsoft licenced software to use it on.
 
somebodysb2
And can you also explain why Microsoft allowed PS3 compatibility on their Forza branded wheels?
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Cause Microsoft can't tell Fanatec what other platforms to develop for? They don't own Fanatec, but they can control who does make wheels on their own systems.
 
omgitsbees
Cause Microsoft can't tell Fanatec what other platforms to develop for? They don't own Fanatec, but they can control who does make wheels on their own systems.
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Stop pulling things out of thin air. Microsoft commissioned the damn thing, they can pretty much do anything they want with it. They want more people to cash in on the xbox party.
 
Thomas has mentioned on blogs that the amount of hoops to jump through to get a product licenced by ms is mind boggeling. Logitech just arent prepared to do it. If they were, the cost of the technology in the wheel (You have to purchase the Hardware Identity chips and XID chips *FROM* MS and you can bet they arent cheap) plus the cost of all the extra work for compliance for licencing would be passed onto the cost of the wheel and it would never be as cheap as the dfgt with the same quality. Why do you think the MS Licenced 911 GT2 costs $249 while the NON MS Licenced GT3 Costs $179 Despite the GT3 actually being a better wheel?

XID is the better system. Better technology costs more, suck it up and shell out more for a wheel, or stop complaining that your not allowed at the table because your not prepared to pay the entry fee.
 
I guess we need a "Wheel/Peripheral Equipment Rainting and Venting" thread.

That said, we can't pinpoint who's at fault here, so I'd say that both MS and Logitech schould be taking some of the blame. As can be seen with the Fanatec wheels, MS's XID has its merrits, but not enabling HID support was bound to reduce the amount of supported products. Logitech, on the other hand, probably just didn't get to the conclusion that pyaing royalties for the XID and developing and additional version of their G series or a new would be worth it.

Hell, even Sony might have had some say in the whole matter, considering that Logitech did make the official GT-branded wheel. So, please, lets stop pretending that only one of those companies is at fault.
 
X-Ray-Cat
Ofcourse he cant, He is just talking out of his rear end. Confusing opinion with fact.
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Ooh shut up, i've yet to see you provide anything that even remotely resembles a fact either. Provide a link, or this is exactly what this whole discussion has been so far, a couple of people posting what they think the situation is.

I never said I wasn't going to buy a Fanatec wheel, in fact the exact opposite. So get off your high horse. God damn. And I don't even get how money comes into this at all. That is even remotely what I was talking about, you're the only one that brought it up, and quite frankly it makes you look like an ass for doing so.
 
omgitsbees
Ooh shut up, i've yet to see you provide anything that even remotely resembles a fact either. Provide a link, or this is exactly what this whole discussion has been so far, a couple of people posting what they think the situation is.

I never said I wasn't going to buy a Fanatec wheel, in fact the exact opposite. So get off your high horse. God damn.
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The difference is, however, you refuted our claims by just saying we are incorrect whereas we have refuted your claims by providing evidence to the contrary.
 
Sigh... You guys are only going to accomplish one thing, if you keep this up.

And that's getting the thread locked. Again.
 
Amazing. You all just keep dwindling on the same off topic bs again and again. Throwing around insults when you've been told not to do so, again and again - I'm tired of warning you all.

This thread is closed and is unlikely to be opened again, and Infractions will follow. So, if you've been involved in this soiree, you can expect to see a PM shortly.
 
OK I am re-opening this thread however I feel some clear ground rules need to be put in place.

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Discuss away, but play nicely.


Scaff
 
Luminis
Sigh... You guys are only going to accomplish one thing, if you keep this up.

And that's getting the thread locked. Again.
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You can predict the future Lumi!

I keep seeing rumours of the next gen hardware being unveiled at this years E3. What chances of FM5 and GT6 being launch titles? And how do we think people more than likely having to make a choice between one console or the other affecting the sales of future FM/GT titles?
 
PzR Slim
You can predict the future Lumi!
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:lol: Yes, at times, common sense is all you need to do so.

PzR Slim
I keep seeing rumours of the next gen hardware being unveiled at this years E3. What chances of FM5 and GT6 being launch titles? And how do we think people more than likely having to make a choice between one console or the other affecting the sales of future FM/GT titles?
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Isn't the PS3 supposed to stay around a bit longer than the Xbox360? It released later and was supposed to have an even longer lifespan, if my memory serves.

Either way, T10 have been on time with their releases, so there's a good chance to see a FM game as a release title. I wouldn't be suprised if it was FM5. I could even imagine that FM4 might be available for Xbox360 and the enxt Xbox, as some games were available on the PS2 and PS3, back in the day.

As for GT... Well, we all know whaat happens to GT games that are supposed to be launch titles, right?
 
PzR Slim
You can predict the future Lumi!

I keep seeing rumours of the next gen hardware being unveiled at this years E3. What chances of FM5 and GT6 being launch titles? And how do we think people more than likely having to make a choice between one console or the other affecting the sales of future FM/GT titles?
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This is a question that I have been pondering a little over the holidays, so its interesting that you've brought it up.

I've bought every Sony console at launch, and with the obvious exception of the PS1 that has been for Gran Turismo (and every GT has also been bought on its release day).

For the very first time I am seriously considering it being the other way around for the next-gen, a factor that is pretty much entirely down to FM4.

Its quite a personal revelation for me as with the exception of FM4 I have never bought a Forza on release date and never bought a MS console at launch.

Now I still would get GT6 and a PS4, but unless another very strong reason (as strong as Blu-ray on the PS3 was for me) exists, it will be secondary to the Xbox (720, NeXtbox, Colin or whatever the hell they end up calling it). Which means that Sony have lost an earlier adaptor and simply down to my disappointment with GT5 when compared to FM4.

If you had asked me a year ago I could never have seen myself saying that.

Scaff
 
Luminis
:lol: Yes, at times, common sense is all you need to do so.


Isn't the PS3 supposed to stay around a bit longer than the Xbox360? It released later and was supposed to have an even longer lifespan, if my memory serves.

Either way, T10 have been on time with their releases, so there's a good chance to see a FM game as a release title. I wouldn't be suprised if it was FM5. I could even imagine that FM4 might be available for Xbox360 and the enxt Xbox, as some games were available on the PS2 and PS3, back in the day.

As for GT... Well, we all know whaat happens to GT games that are supposed to be launch titles, right?
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I think Sony still plan to run the PS3 for the ten year life cycle but I can't see them missing out on the launch of the new hardware. The xbox is in a much better position now than it was back when the 360 and PS3 were being rumoured. Sony would be foolish to ignore that.

Scaff
This is a question that I have been pondering a little over the holidays, so its interesting that you've brought it up.

I've bought every Sony console at launch, and with the obvious exception of the PS1 that has been for Gran Turismo (and every GT has also been bought on its release day).

For the very first time I am seriously considering it being the other way around for the next-gen, a factor that is pretty much entirely down to FM4.

Its quite a personal revelation for me as with the exception of FM4 I have never bought a Forza on release date and never bought a MS console at launch.

Now I still would get GT6 and a PS4, but unless another very strong reason (as strong as Blu-ray on the PS3 was for me) exists, it will be secondary to the Xbox (720, NeXtbox, Colin or whatever the hell they end up calling it). Which means that Sony have lost an earlier adaptor and simply down to my disappointment with GT5 when compared to FM4.

If you had asked me a year ago I could never have seen myself saying that.

Scaff
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I hope to be in the lucky position to buy both at launch but if I'm forced to buy one, at this point it will be the 720. Obviously a lot can change between now and then, we don't even know any details other than rumours at the moment, so when details emerge that may sway my decision. One thing is for certain though, I have no fear that FM5 will be a disappointment, GT5 has taught me that I can't be so sure when it comes to GT6.
 
PzR Slim
I think Sony still plan to run the PS3 for the ten year life cycle but I can't see them missing out on the launch of the new hardware. The xbox is in a much better position now than it was back when the 360 and PS3 were being rumoured. Sony would be foolish to ignore that.
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I don't doubt that Sony is willing to release a PS4 early to steal some thunder from MS, but I'm not sure whether that actually will happen.

We'll see, I guess. But the chances for GT to become a launch title are pretty slim, at best, in my opinion.
 
I was doing the Miata seasonal rivals event last night with my 900deg Fanatec CSR setup, no assists, sim steering, using Thomas's wheel settings, stock car (obviously).. and holy crap was I ever dealing with major issues with lift off oversteer on the same damn turn over and over again!! like 4-5 times in a row!! My lady heard me cursing 'MOTHA *****A, AGAIN!!!' lol

Once I was being slightly less aggressive attacking the turn as well as feathering the throttle better, I maintained control. Had I been able to adjust just the tire pressure, I'd probably be able to prevent this issue. I never had any issue with lift off oversteer in any of the dozens of Miatas I drove in GT5.
 
I loved GT5 prologue. I didn't like GT5 near as much (played both w/ G27). I'm not totally sure why. After I got to a certain point in GT5 I couldn't stand the camera shake in the in car view. When I saw that you can disable it on Forza 4, I was elated. I'm currently using the CSR wheel w/ the elite pedals. My gt2 was just fixed and is on the way back. (probably going to sell it on ebay)
Keep in mind, I'm not a "serious" racer. I play with assists off and drive clean but I typically finish dead last online.
 
I'm glad the thread is staying open. This can be a really good topic when discussed in a respectable fashion. These two games a clearly MS and Sony's version of the same game in retrospect and it makes for interesting debates sometimes. I can't understand how anyone that likes one game can have nothing good to say about the other sometimes.
 
You know what the problem is with the PS3 and Sony right now? SOOO many people purchased PS3's with the anticipation of playing GT5 and having the hottest racing game on a console. It not only didn't come to fruition but it was a disaster for alot of people. Add to that the feature laden PS3 has been getting it's features cut update after update. The PS3 has more apps than it did at launch but does less then when it was first advertised.

Alot of people feel they haven't gotten their "money's worth" from their PS3. I learned this from the whole ordeal. Believe NOTHING Sony says when it comes to their playstation and gran turismo. I , for one, feel it's too soon for a PS4. I'm still waiting for this whole thing to get sorted , and I've come to realize that in all likely-hood it wont, at least to what I was expecting.

Now with the xbox and forza the track record has been consistent. First xbox did it's job and Forza on it was fun. They followed that up with the 360 and it's 3 incarnations of Forza all which hit the spot so how can I even doubt that the next wave isn't going to be more of the same.
 
t.o.
You know what the problem is with the PS3 and Sony right now? SOOO many people purchased PS3's with the anticipation of playing GT5 and having the hottest racing game on a console. It not only didn't come to fruition but it was a disaster for alot of people. Add to that the feature laden PS3 has been getting it's features cut update after update. The PS3 has more apps than it did at launch but does less then when it was first advertised.

Alot of people feel they haven't gotten their "money's worth" from their PS3. I learned this from the whole ordeal. Believe NOTHING Sony says when it comes to their playstation and gran turismo. I , for one, feel it's too soon for a PS4. I'm still waiting for this whole thing to get sorted , and I've come to realize that in all likely-hood it wont, at least to what I was expecting.

Now with the xbox and forza the track record has been consistent. First xbox did it's job and Forza on it was fun. They followed that up with the 360 and it's 3 incarnations of Forza all which hit the spot so how can I even doubt that the next wave isn't going to be more of the same.
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If anyone bought a console JUST for a racing game, then they are missing out on a lot. I got more than my moneys worth out of my PS3.

GT5 was a disappointment for some, okay for others, and great for others still. I'm in the okay category. I like it a lot, but there were a few things that disappointed me.
 
RedSuinit
If anyone bought a console JUST for a racing game, then they are missing out on a lot. I got more than my moneys worth out of my PS3.

GT5 was a disappointment for some, okay for others, and great for others still. I'm in the okay category. I like it a lot, but there were a few things that disappointed me.
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It pretty much comes to this, alot of people bought their consoles for GT just as alot of people bought their xbox solely for Halo (and you can throw Gears in the mix).

Both Halo and Gears delivered and justified the console for those who bought it. (Now I'm not gonna say ALL editions of the both games were perfect. Gears 2 caught some major flack, I'm not a Halo fan but I've heard word that not all Halo games were perfect).

When you think about most consoles have that "one" game that is going to hype the console and drive sales. NFL 2K single-handedly sold me on the Dreamcast. I didn't even bother looking at anything else.
 
t.o.
I , for one, feel it's too soon for a PS4.
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I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree to some point. However the fact the Wii-U is coming out this year could very well force both Microsoft and Sony's hand.

Plus, playing both GT5 and Forza 4 you can tell there isn't much further they can push their respective consoles.
 
Justin
I've heard a lot of people say this, and I agree to some point. However the fact the Wii-U is coming out this year could very well force both Microsoft and Sony's hand.

Plus, playing both GT5 and Forza 4 you can tell there isn't much further they can push their respective consoles.
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There's some truth to that. I think both consoles got a little left in them. I don't think any of them are hitting the hardware directly with these games but that's time consuming and another story (see NFL 2K5). But it wont explain away personal feelings people have. With the xbox I feel like I bought the Veloster and took it to some track days and auto-cross. I finished races, had a blast, maybe didn't come first but had fun. I upgraded through the years and got more competitive and had even more fun. With the PS3 however I feel like I got the Rally Version Veloster, took it on it's maiden run and it broke down, ok no problem. Second race gears blow up. Damn. Third race frame splits down the middle then years of this and haven't finished a race yet. Then they come out and say "Hey we got the 2015 Rally Car, and this one's gonna be it".
 

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