Forza Horizon 4: General Discussion
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https://support.forzamotorsport.net/hc/en-us/profiles/376011646014-Forza-Support-Team
By the way, the Forza Support Team seems to have changed their profile picture to New Supra.
What does this mean.
Note: This is not a real Supra and game model. It is a photograph of the rc car of Tamiya.
By the way, the Forza Support Team seems to have changed their profile picture to New Supra.
What does this mean.
Note: This is not a real Supra and game model. It is a photograph of the rc car of Tamiya.
- 687
- Canada
Tons of free content - That's the epitome of cheap. I have no idea what you mean in comparison to Sea of Theives, a game that had a terrible launch with a ridiculously low amount of content and taking the term repetitiveness to a whole new level. They had to support the game with how lackluster it actually was. It looked nice, that's literally all it had going for it.
SOT's problem was that they were charging too much for it. The game was originally intended to be more of a social sandbox than a traditional game with "content" you consume, but charging $60 for that was absurd. I also think the hype for what it could be, started to overshadow what they were actually making. I think people expected some sprawling pirate RPG or something.
Either way, they'd added a ton to it over the last nearly two years, and it's pretty great now - though still not for everyone.
- 687
- Canada
Gears 5 and Sea of Thieves both have microtransaction stores funding their ongoing development. And Gears gets a "free" content drop quarterly, not weekly.
"Support done on the cheap" is just completely detached from reality. Forza Horizon 4 is the one game in Microsoft's active portfolio that has been getting months and months of 100% free new stuff, with absolutely no attempts to nickel and dime for ANY of it.
And it appears poised to get dozens of more cars and other stuff this year, despite most of the team probably having moved on to production on FH5.
- 687
- Canada
This assumes their goal is for people to keep playing FH4 for another 2+ years. Horizon isn't like Motorsport, where they have an esports and competitive community. Like most games, I'm sure they don't expect people to play FH4 forever.
The other project is being made by a completely separate team within PG, and is almost 100% certain to be a new Fable game. Horizon's development has no effect on that project one way or another.
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- Canada
That's the internet for ya. How ridiculous...
Preach it man! 👍
I'm grateful we've gotten all these FREE content for almost two years, and the fact that PG has been supporting this game until the release FM8.
Hats down to PG/T10, seriously. I'm glad to still be part of this community despite there being spoiled fans among us all.
Ahhh okay. I almost forgot they had another team, silly me.
Thank you.
- 661
Much like Mike Ybarra leaving (MS VP under Phil Spencer), I think Brian got something that he just couldn't turn down, which is understandable.
Retro, on the other hand, stated that she "quit", with no mention she had another job lined up. So something must've been bad enough for her to quit. Could be something internally at PG, the work itself, perhaps more obvious stuff like low salary/lots of hours put in (social media/forums/discord/etc) or something simple like not wanting to do it anymore.
I know the community isn't the best, much like every game community, but I have doubts a professional lets that get to them, could be an age thing in how you deal with stuff, I could be wrong. John from Digital Foundry is older and deals with lots of nonsense on social media, even he admits it "gets" to him. Some stress perhaps just isn't worth the money.
- 1,937
- Sunderland
The issues with the Discord aren't really because of the community - it's not hard to warn, kick, and ban. I personally stepped down as moderator there because the leaders of that stuff were doing things I was definitely not cool with.
Also technically Motorsport 4 and Horizon 2 if you're counting DLC (which is technically how GTS got it anyway). Both debuted with RUF then got Porsche later.
Also, if they do bring back the CTR2, Horizon would be the 3rd game I know that has both Porsche and RUF (GTS and The Crew 2).
I would get extra hyped if the Yellowbird (new or old) comes
Also technically Motorsport 4 and Horizon 2 if you're counting DLC (which is technically how GTS got it anyway). Both debuted with RUF then got Porsche later.
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- The Metaverse
- Cloudsona64
- ApolloVulcan#323
May I ask what kind of stuff they were doing?
- 1,399
- Jakarta
I was watching the Update 18 Live Stream after it was over (skipped most of it just to see the cars in action), and I was wondering why they didn't show the cockpit view of the AE86 whereas they showed the cockpit views of the other cars. Apparently, the shifting animation looks like the driver is touching the bottom of the steering wheel or a certain lower body part to change gears in the AE86
(see 0:18 - 0:21) (not complaining though, it's just something that I find to be rather funny)- 1,937
- Sunderland
GTvsForza
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- GTvsForza
- GTvsForza
Maybe they're getting heated because the 10-year-olds keep spamming crap.
That's why I hardly go on the general server. I normally stick on the Route Creator one.
- 15,096
- Grandville Mi
- Gotbeefboy564
- Got beef boy564
How do I get rid of the 2?
I know the number resets for rewards claimed like for 50% completion but after I complete a season it’s still there.
I know the number resets for rewards claimed like for 50% completion but after I complete a season it’s still there.
- 2,252
- Italia
- STR3LA
You can't get rid of it. It's a well known bug. We have to wait for a patch.
HyperSpeeder
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- 954
- Brazil
List of free stuff:
1) Cars
Timed availability. Every other car comes with bugs, weak features (SUVs without bodykits for example) or just wasted potential. Playground agrees bugs are bad, so they're quick to fix bugs with major cars. Many, many new cars are returning cars, not new stuff, they'd better be free!
2) Stories
We got one truly good story in Top Gear and... what else? The stories added post-release are pretty bad and offer nothing new to the table. Last one was Upgrade Heroes and it could have shipped with the game.
3) Features
Most features added in post-release were in FH3, had been axed in FH4 and were brought back only by public pressure. Game shipped with Team Racing and Team Games, and no Rivals. It was similar problem with FM7. So, while Playground deserves praise for listening, the only forward movement were the penalties in Ranked, which get exploited all the time.
4) Eliminator
It's different enough to set itself apart. But it doesn't have the same impact as a new island. You can't expect me to put whole new graphics and cars in the same level as a pink ring and elimination head-to-head races.
The content may be free of charge, but the people making it are not doing this for free. Don't expect the same level of attention as paid content would have. It was sad to see the 488 Pista with paint and animation bugs while the Supra came in perfect with a myriad of bumpers and unique sound. Though, truth be told, there were cars with silly bugs even in the paid content.
I believe FH4's support is done "on the cheap" because that's my perception. They don't go the extra length, it's all just "here, take some free cars and shut up". Cars are outsourced anyway. I also suspect some cars are held back to prolong the game's life (why are we getting the Performante only now? it's old already), but that's just conjecture, can't prove it. I'm not asking for Gran Turismo levels of obsession, just a little more polish.
Also (from another thread):
Which goes against the big deal Playground made about the Senna's sound prior to release, or the fact they did issue a (poor) sound update after complaints, or how there were official replies in that Corvette thread assuring the bugs would be fixed. And fixed they were, in great fashion, I was very happy when they even fixed the easily missable ZR1 badge in the dial.
Wrong wheels is significant, it's got an impact on licensing. You can't paint Legos in custom colors because Lego does not sell kits in those colors. Likewise, the ZR1 needs its wheels. Imagine if it was Ferrari or something, who are much more defensive of their IP.
It also helped that the ZR1 was paid DLC but there's still paid cars with bugs that hinder them.
I agree - casual players don't "notice" or "care". But that's why their opinion is really not important. You need to draw in the casuals to earn money but if you want to sustain a game as large as AAA for long you need to keep the hardcore fanbase playing. Take Gears 5 for example, they catered to the casuals, lost the veterans and killed the game. Halo got so much backlash this gen that 343i had no choice but to back down on certain changes.
That's how important fans are. The post-release support is really for them, not the casuals.
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- Los Angeles, CA
- Lma_robot
- lImaRobotl
It's actually getting the same exact level as paid content in the past it seems, and even within it's own game. What exactly is the difference between the paid content in FH4 compared to the free content in FH4? I don't even understand what you're getting at because you defeated your own point, that the quality between paid and free content is not the same, with the last sentence.
It being paid or free hasn't made the quality between the two any better or worse.
Well then you're making it obvious that you're massively underplaying it to push your agenda then. That you don't like the stuff they're giving doesn't make it cheap, it just means that you don't like it.
Saying that it's old is just dumb because there's literally tons and tons and tons and tons of actually old cars that aren't in the game. There's absolutely no logic there. Obvious conspiracy theory is obvious.
Silver Arrows
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Are we really rehashing the same arguments, ad nauseum, until the end of time? When it all ends up at the same point and you never get the hint?
My god. Just stop with the conspiracy theory posting already.
My god. Just stop with the conspiracy theory posting already.
- 2,252
- Italia
- STR3LA
Free content done "cheap". Had to hide it beyond a spoiler cause is so cheap I can't even look at it.
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- 83
- France
It was good when it was something like 6 -7 or 8 cars a month, now we have too often 4 cars. There's still plenty of cars form X1 generation that we coud get (especially from FM7 with lots of cars that came back from X360-era).
It's however pretty nice that we got all these cars for free, I don't think there wasn't much in any other Forza.
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- Lma_robot
- lImaRobotl
I think we're at a good point in this genre right now. Both GT are Forza are pushing hard on post-release content for no price, and regardless of peoples view on the ways to obtain the cars in game, this is nothing but great for us, the consumer. I'm wondering how next gen is going to pan out for both the series.
- 2,252
- Italia
- STR3LA
At the beginning we had even 12 cars per month with the car pass. The list I showed is just free content. It's not just cars. Almost every part of the game got improved to some degree. From Livery Editor, PhotoMode, car parts, Adventure improvements... We got Course Creator, 4 aditional stories, Custom Adventure, Eliminator... All for free. Countless hours of work done for us.... costumers, fans. I am not saying that we should only praise them... but they do deserve a little bit of appreciation. From time to time.
