Forza Horizon 4: General Discussion

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Since we're a wee while away from the next Series update (Series 30! Never thought we'd get this many updates), I thought it'd be a fun exercise to try and predict some of the future series update's contents in terms of cars, now that we have confirmation from Mike Brown that FH4 is going to keep being supported for quite some time. We also have a leaked list that still has plenty of metal that makes sense in FH4 and has been pretty much 100% accurate so far.

Looking back at the last 8 series updates, we've had a reasonably distinct pattern emerge, which is;

- 3-4 cars (last time we got more that 3-4 cars was Series 22)
- A theme surrounding those cars

Last month it was American Trucks, this month it was 80-90's German Cars, Series 25 it was Holden, Series 23 it was Toyota, Series 17 it was Renault etc etc. I could go on. Now this doesn't necessarily mean every future update will have a theme, but that it's quite likely it will. An example of this would be Series 24 where we got a JDM 85' RX7, a Modern Hypercar with two Ford Rally cars. There's no real theme there and I imagine due to scheduling reasons not every month will be able to fit a particular theme perfectly well, but Playground will at least try.

Anyway, I'm going to take a stab at predicting 12 potential future series updates, with some potential bonus add-ins if PG decide to treat us with more than 4 cars in one month. (You also might see some cars fit under two themes in here, I think a lot of cars could fit in multiple themes)

Theme 1: Classic American Muscle

- 1977 AMC Pacer (FH3, FM7)
- 1968 Dodge “Supercharger” (Leaked list)
- 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler (Leaked list)
- 1971 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi (In FH3/FM7, Seen in promo material)

Honorable mentions: 1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza, 1957 Ford Thunderbird, 1949 Ford Dually Hot Rod, 1962 Lincoln Continental, 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am

It's Yank tank time. I think a lot of these could be interchangeable with Honorable mentions, though I think a classic American Muscle Series makes a lot of sense especially since we've seen quite a lack of American muscle in Horizon's post launch content. The Pacer was a late addition to FH3 so why not in FH4? The Dodge Supercharger and Mercury Cyclone Spoiler are both New-to-Forza machines but were on the leaked list and bolster both of there Manufacturers line-ups nicely. The GTX has already been seen in promo material and it's another one of those cars T10/PG love to add post-launch into their games. Wouldn't be the biggest fan of this series personally but I can definitely see it happening and fans of American Muscle would be reasonably happy. The Dually Hot Rod is the only one I'd actually like to see on here but I have a feeling if it does make it, it'll be under the Hoonigan brand in a themed Series of sorts.

Theme 2: 80-90's American Cars

- 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (FM7/FH3, Promotional Material)
- 1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS (FM7)
- 1986 Ford Mustang SVO (Leaked List)
- 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (FM7/FH3, Promotional Material)

Honorable mentions: 1995 Ford SVT Cobra R, 1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo

Another series, more American cars in a game set in Britain! I think the Camaro/Wagoneer are locks to come at some point given how much they've been shown in promotional material and are cars from FH3 (so an easy port). Though the Wagoneer could easily be apart of another themed update with something like the GMC Jimmy which is also on the leaked list. Either way, the SVO/Shelby are fairly interchangeable, wouldn't mind seeing any of them in Horizon though. All would be solid additions, would certainly be fun to build a drag variant of the Shelby Omni. Wheelies for days!

Theme 3: Cadillac

- 2020 Cadillac CT5-V
- 2019 Cadillac XT4
- 1953 Cadillac Series 52 Coupe by Ghia (in the Petersen Museum I believe, where T10/PG have done plenty of scanning from in the past)

Honorable mentions: 2019 Cadillac CT6 V-Sport, 2008 Cadillac XLR-V, 2004 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe, 1968 Cadillac Coupe DeVille

I can't seem to find it anymore but there was a post on Instagram regarding Cadillac's recent promotion on FH4 where someone asked if there were anymore Cadillac's coming to the game, which they replied yes. So it makes sense for there to be a Cadillac themed update of sorts, although they could just be apart of an American update. Anyway, since there isn't really any Cadillacs from past Forza's to pull from (aside from two older CTS-V models which are unlikely to make it IMO) I'm assuming we'll be getting some new-to-Forza Cadillac metal. An SUV makes sense given all the SUV's we've got and this is a marketing partnership in Horizon after all. Then an update to the latest Sedan makes sense, with a classic to top it all off. Not bad, theoretically.

Theme 4: Aston Martin

- 2003 Aston Martin DB7 Zagato (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 1998 Aston Martin V8 Vantage V600 (FH3/FM7)
- 1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (FH3/FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2019 Aston Martin Valkyrie, 2012 Aston Martin Virage, 2011 Aston Martin Cygnet

For a game set in the UK, there's certainly a few Aston's from past Forza games that really should be in Horizon 4. This update remedies that quite nicely. I know the Valkyrie was on that Leaked list all the way back in 2018 but I think it's going to stay that way, I really don't see it coming to FH4 as much as I know everyone wants it in the game. The DB7 and Classic Vanquish were on the leaked list and are two fantastic cars to bring back from the 360 era and the pair of V8 Vantages from FH3 (and FM7) make too much sense to round out this Aston Martin themed series. Cygnet would be a laugh as another returning option though #CygnetforFH42021

Theme 5: 70's Italian Classics

- 1971 De Tomaso Pantera (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 1975 FIAT X1/9 (FH3/FM7)
- 1973 Lamborghini Espada 400GT (Leaked list)

Honorable mentions: 1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal, 1975 Ferrari 308 GTS

You can never have enough classic Italian cars can you? This series would focus on the 1970's portion of Italian cars, one quite often forgotten about. Though this update could easily be just Italian classics, which opens up a few more options like the Fiat 8V, Lamborghini Jalpa, the Ferrari 375 etc. Either way, the De Tomaso Pantera is a fan favorite (very highly requested) and makes a lot of sense. The Espada was on the leaked list and fits nicely with the Jarama already added to FH4 a couple of years ago. The X1/9 helps bolster a lacking FIAT roster, though could be interchanged easily with the 1970 Montreal, both were in FM7 and shouldn't be too difficult to get in FH4, licensing withstanding.

Theme 6: Extreme Off-Roaders

- 2017 Ford #25 Ultra4 Bronco (Leaked List)
- 2004 Nissan Patrol Dakar Edition (Leaked List, Spotted in FM7 files too)
- 2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR” (Leaked List)
- 2017 Subaru Crosstrek Desert Racer (Leaked List)

Honorable mentions: 2016 CBL Ultra 4Truck, 1987 DAF 95 Twin Turbo X1, 1970 Hoonigan Volkswagen Baja Bug “Scumbug”, 1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road

I know some people aren't the biggest fans of these vehicles, but they 100% deserve a spot in Horizon and serve an important purpose in diversifying the driving experience and variety you can have at the Festival. Aside from the recently added Velociraptor, you'd have to go all the way back to probably Series 14 with the Deberti Design F-150 to find something similarly capable in FH4's post release vault of cars. These are all on the leaked list and I think are very safe bets to make the game at some point. I think the Porsche's could be interchangeable (both could be here or none could be here in which case they'd probably come in a marque update) but the Scumbug is an interesting one. Could very well be here but also could be in another Hoonigan themed update. We'll see though

Theme 7: New to Horizon Marques

- 2019 RAESR Tachyon (Leaked list)
- 1994 Venturi Atlantique 300 (Leaked list, leaked on Instagram too)
- 2017 VUHL 05RR (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2013 Savage Rivale GTS, 2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM, 2011 Wiesmann GT MF5, 2010 Spyker C8 Laviolette

The "I'm not exactly sure where else to put these Series" basically. I imagine some of these could just be put in as one-offs into other un-themed updates but we're not trying to predict those, we're trying to predict the themed ones! The RAESR is an interesting one but considering all the other one-off's from random brands we've gotten (RIMAC, Italdesign, Zenvo, ATS), it makes a lot of sense. And from a cost perspective it makes sense too. It's a cheaper car to license for PG I imagine since these are all small brands, and it's awesome exposure and marketing for the brands too. The Venturi is a classic so that's less about marketing are more about paying homage to a forgotten brand of the past. Awesome addition if we do get it. And the VUHL was in FM7, makes a lot of sense as a Track Toy in Horizon. Surprised it's not already in the game. Would also kill for Spyker to return, though seems very unlikely at this point :(

Theme 8: Toyota & Lexus

- 2014 Lexus IS 350 F Sport (FH3)
- 1997 Lexus SC300 (FH3)
- 2003 Toyota Celica SS-I (FM6)
- 1979 Toyota FJ40 Landcruiser (FH3)

Honorable mentions: 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport, 2012 Lexus LF-A Nurburgring Edition, 2003 Lexus IS300, 2019 Toyota GT86 TRD Special Edition, 2020 Toyota Yaris GR Sport, 2020 Toyota Supra GR (A90)

The "Haven't we already had enough of these updates god damn it Series". There are still quite a few loose ends when it comes to both Lexus and Toyota, and I certainly think PG are not done adding to both brands, considering how everything has played out. Which will disappoint people considering the heavy focus on Lexus/Toyota in the last 10 series or so, but when those brands are as big as they are and non-existent in a racing game with 700+ cars, you bet your ass PG are going to be adding as many Toyota/Lexus' as they can. This update rounds out most of the missing Xbox One Generation Toyota/Lexus ready models. SC300 is a must, especially for all JDM/Drifters. The FJ40 makes way to much sense in Horizon and the Celica/IS350 F add some everydayish love to the FH4 roster. Now you're probably thinking, what about the Supra A90? It was (and still is?) Forza Supports icon! Well personally I think the A90 Supra is coming at some point. Buuuut I don't think it'll be a Series reward. Much like the 98 Supra, it'll be a Free Car, maybe tied to a new feature or mode. It is the most requested car currently that fan want in FH4, so I can see PG making a big deal about getting like it's 1998 brother. I definitely thinking making it accessible to everyone like they did with the 98' makes way to much sense but time will tell. I'll take it either way.

Theme 9: Classic British Cars

- 1924 Austin Seven (Leaked list)
- 1967 Ford #1 Ford Rally Escort MK1 (Leaked list)
- 1979 Triumph TR7 (leaked List)
- 1973 Triumph GT6 (leaked List)

Honorable mentions: 1980 Lotus Esprit Turbo, 1972 Ford Cortina Mk3 GXL, 1971 Jensen Interceptor

Back to the Brits. We've definitely seen a steady flow of old-school British metal make it into FH4, pre and post launch. Everything from bringing back the Austin-Healey Sprite to as recent as adding the 1991 Bentley Turbo R in Series 26. So seeing all these on the leaked list got me excited for more classic British metal, sculpted into a themed Series update here. The Austin Seven in unlike anything really on FH4's roster and is a really really cool addition. The Rally escort MK1 could easily be in another Rally themed update or maybe in a un-themed update like it's Mk2 counter part was. Not sure if people will be a big fan of it though.. The Triumphs are both really cool adds, which bolster an already growing contingent of 1970's cars in Horizon. Though would've been cool to see a Dolly Sprint. Shout outs to the 71' Jensen Interceptor, which I'd take over any of aforementioned cars in a heartbeat but is probably never going to make it. Been floating around unfairly in game files since 2017 :(

Theme 10: Classic Japanese Icons

- 1992 Mazda 323GTR (Leaked list)
- 1970 Honda S800 (FH3/FM7)
- 1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R (Leaked list, FM4)
- 1996 Subaru SVX (FH3/FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe, 1972 Mazda Cosmo 110S Series II, 1973 Mazda RX-3, 1986 Honda Civic Si, 1985 Nissan Safari, 1966 Nissan Silvia

You can never have enough JDM! Forza's always lacked in the Japanese department and especially so when Mitsy/Toyota where absent at the beginning of FH4. Now with them returning, PG have slowly been building back up a wide array of Japanese automobiles and this Series update would further that even more. The 323GTR would be a fantastic addition. Mazda probably deserve a Marque update of there own and the 323 is a classic hatch which would be a nice compliment to the recently added Pulsar GTI-R. The Honda S800 was an unfortunate loss going from FH3 to FH4, as was the Subaru SVX. Both make sense to return here and especially the SVX, Subaru is also in dire need of some new cars to their roster IMO. Lastly the Mitsubishi FTO, on the leaked list, was in FM4 and adds another Mitsy to a line-up in desperate need of some diversity. I could easily see any of the Honorable mentions in here too, all are past Forza machines that are definitely worthy of being in FH4. RX-3 with Liberty Walk kit when?

Theme 11: Porsche

- 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic (Leaked list, FM4 and Thumbnail leaked last month)
- 1993 Porsche 928 GTS (FH3, Promo material leak)
- 1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road (Leaked list)
- 1980 Porsche 924 Carrera GTS (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR”, 1993 Porsche 911 Turbo S Leichtbau [964], 1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS, 2010 Porsche Boxster S, 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Look, I know Series 13 was already Porsche themed, but there are too many Porsches on this leaked list and from past Forza's for there not to at least be another Porsche themed update (or 4-5 of these Porsches being sprinkled throughout Series updates in the future). And I get it, there's already 100 million Porsches in the game and we just got another 911 in Series 29. Buuuut you can't deny some of these are not only a good fit for Horizon, but are destined to make the final game. The 911 Sport Classic is a beaut, was not only on the leaked list (and in FM4) but it's Thumbnail was glitching on the 911 Singers. If this car doesn't make the final game then I'd be very surprised. The 928 GTS has been teased and teased in promo material and was a famously elusive car in FH3. Would also be surprised if I doesn't make the final cut. The 911 Desert Off-Roader was on the leaked list and could easily swap out with the Dakar Macan that I put in the Extreme Off-Roaders series. A very cool addition nonetheless that definitely has a place in Horizon. Then the 924 Carrera GTS too top it off. We need more Porsches thart aren't 911's and this one is a great one, comes with a nice widebody too. Always need more of them now don't we!

Theme 12: Alfa Romeo

- 2009 Alfa Romeo Brera Italia Independent (Leaked list, FM4)
- 1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 (FH3/FM7)
- 1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio Verde (FH2/FM7)
- 1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde, 2011 Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale Zagato, 1992 Alfa Romeo Milano Quadrifoglio Verde, 1990 Alfa Romeo SZ Sprint Zagato, 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV-6, 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Veloce, 2010 Alfa Romeo 8C Spider

Finally, the best for last. Alfa Romeo to me are definitely the most underdone car manufacturer in FH4, especially when you consider how many awesome Alfa's are sitting in FM7/FH3 and FM4 that they could pull from (13 of them!!!). This series update would only scratch the surface of what I'd really like to see from Alfa, but it'd still be a great first step in righting the ship. The Brera was on the leaked list and was a FM4 staple. A beautiful hatch that'd fit right into the back streets of Edinburgh. The 155 Q4 is a traffic car and it pains me to drive past it knowing there's a driveable model in both FM7/FH3 with an awesome DTM kit too. Needs to be put in ASAP Playground!! The Spider and Montreal are both classics, also both in FM7 so shouldn't be too difficult of an add if licensing isn't getting in the way. They could be interchanged with any of the other classic Alfa's in the Honorable mentions. Though considering how much metal we've got back from FH1, wouldn't shock me to see either the 8C Spider (what a waste that'd be but unsurprising) or the TZ3 Stradale (Yes please!) come back too.


So there it is, 12 themed updates that could be completely wrong or slightly right. We'll see. I imagine we'll see at least a few more themed updates in Horizon's life time and hopefully some of them will be similar to these ones, though they could all be unthemed and this was a colossal waste of time. Oh well! There's probably heaps more you could do so if I get bored I could to a part II, though we'll see. Cheers!
 
Whoa, online modes are deleting my livery? Trial and Playground Games. Anyone else?

Update: I should clarify I am playing on the Series X. Using the latest patch "Optimized for Series X" version.
 
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To self-quote and continue the above post (which might be of interest to @Vic Reign93) - I've been watching the telemetry during Team King for the last few weeks, and it looks like there is an air restrictor being used to slow down anyone carrying the crown. Electric cars have zero torque loss, naturally aspirated cars have a lot of torque loss, and forced induction cars have a lot of torque loss alongside a big drop in boost. The boost telemetry doesn't show vacuum, but if it did I suspect the N/A cars would be showing something like -10psi when the slowdown is applied. As the electric cars don't use engines (electric motors are a separate part of the simulation), they don't get slowed down by the restrictor. Interesting oversight though - as far as I'm aware there were no electric cars at launch, so easy to miss I suppose.
 
Since we're a wee while away from the next Series update (Series 30! Never thought we'd get this many updates), I thought it'd be a fun exercise to try and predict some of the future series update's contents in terms of cars, now that we have confirmation from Mike Brown that FH4 is going to keep being supported for quite some time. We also have a leaked list that still has plenty of metal that makes sense in FH4 and has been pretty much 100% accurate so far.

Looking back at the last 8 series updates, we've had a reasonably distinct pattern emerge, which is;

- 3-4 cars (last time we got more that 3-4 cars was Series 22)
- A theme surrounding those cars

Last month it was American Trucks, this month it was 80-90's German Cars, Series 25 it was Holden, Series 23 it was Toyota, Series 17 it was Renault etc etc. I could go on. Now this doesn't necessarily mean every future update will have a theme, but that it's quite likely it will. An example of this would be Series 24 where we got a JDM 85' RX7, a Modern Hypercar with two Ford Rally cars. There's no real theme there and I imagine due to scheduling reasons not every month will be able to fit a particular theme perfectly well, but Playground will at least try.

Anyway, I'm going to take a stab at predicting 12 potential future series updates, with some potential bonus add-ins if PG decide to treat us with more than 4 cars in one month. (You also might see some cars fit under two themes in here, I think a lot of cars could fit in multiple themes)

Theme 1: Classic American Muscle

- 1977 AMC Pacer (FH3, FM7)
- 1968 Dodge “Supercharger” (Leaked list)
- 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler (Leaked list)
- 1971 Plymouth GTX 426 Hemi (In FH3/FM7, Seen in promo material)

Honorable mentions: 1969 Chevrolet Corvair Monza, 1957 Ford Thunderbird, 1949 Ford Dually Hot Rod, 1962 Lincoln Continental, 1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am

It's Yank tank time. I think a lot of these could be interchangeable with Honorable mentions, though I think a classic American Muscle Series makes a lot of sense especially since we've seen quite a lack of American muscle in Horizon's post launch content. The Pacer was a late addition to FH3 so why not in FH4? The Dodge Supercharger and Mercury Cyclone Spoiler are both New-to-Forza machines but were on the leaked list and bolster both of there Manufacturers line-ups nicely. The GTX has already been seen in promo material and it's another one of those cars T10/PG love to add post-launch into their games. Wouldn't be the biggest fan of this series personally but I can definitely see it happening and fans of American Muscle would be reasonably happy. The Dually Hot Rod is the only one I'd actually like to see on here but I have a feeling if it does make it, it'll be under the Hoonigan brand in a themed Series of sorts.

Theme 2: 80-90's American Cars

- 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (FM7/FH3, Promotional Material)
- 1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLHS (FM7)
- 1986 Ford Mustang SVO (Leaked List)
- 1991 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (FM7/FH3, Promotional Material)

Honorable mentions: 1995 Ford SVT Cobra R, 1996 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo

Another series, more American cars in a game set in Britain! I think the Camaro/Wagoneer are locks to come at some point given how much they've been shown in promotional material and are cars from FH3 (so an easy port). Though the Wagoneer could easily be apart of another themed update with something like the GMC Jimmy which is also on the leaked list. Either way, the SVO/Shelby are fairly interchangeable, wouldn't mind seeing any of them in Horizon though. All would be solid additions, would certainly be fun to build a drag variant of the Shelby Omni. Wheelies for days!

Theme 3: Cadillac

- 2020 Cadillac CT5-V
- 2019 Cadillac XT4
- 1953 Cadillac Series 52 Coupe by Ghia (in the Petersen Museum I believe, where T10/PG have done plenty of scanning from in the past)

Honorable mentions: 2019 Cadillac CT6 V-Sport, 2008 Cadillac XLR-V, 2004 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe, 1968 Cadillac Coupe DeVille

I can't seem to find it anymore but there was a post on Instagram regarding Cadillac's recent promotion on FH4 where someone asked if there were anymore Cadillac's coming to the game, which they replied yes. So it makes sense for there to be a Cadillac themed update of sorts, although they could just be apart of an American update. Anyway, since there isn't really any Cadillacs from past Forza's to pull from (aside from two older CTS-V models which are unlikely to make it IMO) I'm assuming we'll be getting some new-to-Forza Cadillac metal. An SUV makes sense given all the SUV's we've got and this is a marketing partnership in Horizon after all. Then an update to the latest Sedan makes sense, with a classic to top it all off. Not bad, theoretically.

Theme 4: Aston Martin

- 2003 Aston Martin DB7 Zagato (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 2001 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 1998 Aston Martin V8 Vantage V600 (FH3/FM7)
- 1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (FH3/FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2019 Aston Martin Valkyrie, 2012 Aston Martin Virage, 2011 Aston Martin Cygnet

For a game set in the UK, there's certainly a few Aston's from past Forza games that really should be in Horizon 4. This update remedies that quite nicely. I know the Valkyrie was on that Leaked list all the way back in 2018 but I think it's going to stay that way, I really don't see it coming to FH4 as much as I know everyone wants it in the game. The DB7 and Classic Vanquish were on the leaked list and are two fantastic cars to bring back from the 360 era and the pair of V8 Vantages from FH3 (and FM7) make too much sense to round out this Aston Martin themed series. Cygnet would be a laugh as another returning option though #CygnetforFH42021

Theme 5: 70's Italian Classics

- 1971 De Tomaso Pantera (Leaked list, in FM4)
- 1975 FIAT X1/9 (FH3/FM7)
- 1973 Lamborghini Espada 400GT (Leaked list)

Honorable mentions: 1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal, 1975 Ferrari 308 GTS

You can never have enough classic Italian cars can you? This series would focus on the 1970's portion of Italian cars, one quite often forgotten about. Though this update could easily be just Italian classics, which opens up a few more options like the Fiat 8V, Lamborghini Jalpa, the Ferrari 375 etc. Either way, the De Tomaso Pantera is a fan favorite (very highly requested) and makes a lot of sense. The Espada was on the leaked list and fits nicely with the Jarama already added to FH4 a couple of years ago. The X1/9 helps bolster a lacking FIAT roster, though could be interchanged easily with the 1970 Montreal, both were in FM7 and shouldn't be too difficult to get in FH4, licensing withstanding.

Theme 6: Extreme Off-Roaders

- 2017 Ford #25 Ultra4 Bronco (Leaked List)
- 2004 Nissan Patrol Dakar Edition (Leaked List, Spotted in FM7 files too)
- 2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR” (Leaked List)
- 2017 Subaru Crosstrek Desert Racer (Leaked List)

Honorable mentions: 2016 CBL Ultra 4Truck, 1987 DAF 95 Twin Turbo X1, 1970 Hoonigan Volkswagen Baja Bug “Scumbug”, 1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road

I know some people aren't the biggest fans of these vehicles, but they 100% deserve a spot in Horizon and serve an important purpose in diversifying the driving experience and variety you can have at the Festival. Aside from the recently added Velociraptor, you'd have to go all the way back to probably Series 14 with the Deberti Design F-150 to find something similarly capable in FH4's post release vault of cars. These are all on the leaked list and I think are very safe bets to make the game at some point. I think the Porsche's could be interchangeable (both could be here or none could be here in which case they'd probably come in a marque update) but the Scumbug is an interesting one. Could very well be here but also could be in another Hoonigan themed update. We'll see though

Theme 7: New to Horizon Marques

- 2019 RAESR Tachyon (Leaked list)
- 1994 Venturi Atlantique 300 (Leaked list, leaked on Instagram too)
- 2017 VUHL 05RR (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2013 Savage Rivale GTS, 2005 Panoz Esperante GTLM, 2011 Wiesmann GT MF5, 2010 Spyker C8 Laviolette

The "I'm not exactly sure where else to put these Series" basically. I imagine some of these could just be put in as one-offs into other un-themed updates but we're not trying to predict those, we're trying to predict the themed ones! The RAESR is an interesting one but considering all the other one-off's from random brands we've gotten (RIMAC, Italdesign, Zenvo, ATS), it makes a lot of sense. And from a cost perspective it makes sense too. It's a cheaper car to license for PG I imagine since these are all small brands, and it's awesome exposure and marketing for the brands too. The Venturi is a classic so that's less about marketing are more about paying homage to a forgotten brand of the past. Awesome addition if we do get it. And the VUHL was in FM7, makes a lot of sense as a Track Toy in Horizon. Surprised it's not already in the game. Would also kill for Spyker to return, though seems very unlikely at this point :(

Theme 8: Toyota & Lexus

- 2014 Lexus IS 350 F Sport (FH3)
- 1997 Lexus SC300 (FH3)
- 2003 Toyota Celica SS-I (FM6)
- 1979 Toyota FJ40 Landcruiser (FH3)

Honorable mentions: 2013 Lexus GS350 F Sport, 2012 Lexus LF-A Nurburgring Edition, 2003 Lexus IS300, 2019 Toyota GT86 TRD Special Edition, 2020 Toyota Yaris GR Sport, 2020 Toyota Supra GR (A90)

The "Haven't we already had enough of these updates god damn it Series". There are still quite a few loose ends when it comes to both Lexus and Toyota, and I certainly think PG are not done adding to both brands, considering how everything has played out. Which will disappoint people considering the heavy focus on Lexus/Toyota in the last 10 series or so, but when those brands are as big as they are and non-existent in a racing game with 700+ cars, you bet your ass PG are going to be adding as many Toyota/Lexus' as they can. This update rounds out most of the missing Xbox One Generation Toyota/Lexus ready models. SC300 is a must, especially for all JDM/Drifters. The FJ40 makes way to much sense in Horizon and the Celica/IS350 F add some everydayish love to the FH4 roster. Now you're probably thinking, what about the Supra A90? It was (and still is?) Forza Supports icon! Well personally I think the A90 Supra is coming at some point. Buuuut I don't think it'll be a Series reward. Much like the 98 Supra, it'll be a Free Car, maybe tied to a new feature or mode. It is the most requested car currently that fan want in FH4, so I can see PG making a big deal about getting like it's 1998 brother. I definitely thinking making it accessible to everyone like they did with the 98' makes way to much sense but time will tell. I'll take it either way.

Theme 9: Classic British Cars

- 1924 Austin Seven (Leaked list)
- 1967 Ford #1 Ford Rally Escort MK1 (Leaked list)
- 1979 Triumph TR7 (leaked List)
- 1973 Triumph GT6 (leaked List)

Honorable mentions: 1980 Lotus Esprit Turbo, 1972 Ford Cortina Mk3 GXL, 1971 Jensen Interceptor

Back to the Brits. We've definitely seen a steady flow of old-school British metal make it into FH4, pre and post launch. Everything from bringing back the Austin-Healey Sprite to as recent as adding the 1991 Bentley Turbo R in Series 26. So seeing all these on the leaked list got me excited for more classic British metal, sculpted into a themed Series update here. The Austin Seven in unlike anything really on FH4's roster and is a really really cool addition. The Rally escort MK1 could easily be in another Rally themed update or maybe in a un-themed update like it's Mk2 counter part was. Not sure if people will be a big fan of it though.. The Triumphs are both really cool adds, which bolster an already growing contingent of 1970's cars in Horizon. Though would've been cool to see a Dolly Sprint. Shout outs to the 71' Jensen Interceptor, which I'd take over any of aforementioned cars in a heartbeat but is probably never going to make it. Been floating around unfairly in game files since 2017 :(

Theme 10: Classic Japanese Icons

- 1992 Mazda 323GTR (Leaked list)
- 1970 Honda S800 (FH3/FM7)
- 1998 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R (Leaked list, FM4)
- 1996 Subaru SVX (FH3/FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2000 Honda Civic Si Coupe, 1972 Mazda Cosmo 110S Series II, 1973 Mazda RX-3, 1986 Honda Civic Si, 1985 Nissan Safari, 1966 Nissan Silvia

You can never have enough JDM! Forza's always lacked in the Japanese department and especially so when Mitsy/Toyota where absent at the beginning of FH4. Now with them returning, PG have slowly been building back up a wide array of Japanese automobiles and this Series update would further that even more. The 323GTR would be a fantastic addition. Mazda probably deserve a Marque update of there own and the 323 is a classic hatch which would be a nice compliment to the recently added Pulsar GTI-R. The Honda S800 was an unfortunate loss going from FH3 to FH4, as was the Subaru SVX. Both make sense to return here and especially the SVX, Subaru is also in dire need of some new cars to their roster IMO. Lastly the Mitsubishi FTO, on the leaked list, was in FM4 and adds another Mitsy to a line-up in desperate need of some diversity. I could easily see any of the Honorable mentions in here too, all are past Forza machines that are definitely worthy of being in FH4. RX-3 with Liberty Walk kit when?

Theme 11: Porsche

- 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic (Leaked list, FM4 and Thumbnail leaked last month)
- 1993 Porsche 928 GTS (FH3, Promo material leak)
- 1985 Porsche #65 Porsche 911 Desert Off-Road (Leaked list)
- 1980 Porsche 924 Carrera GTS (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2018 Porsche #00 Porsche Macan “RR”, 1993 Porsche 911 Turbo S Leichtbau [964], 1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS, 2010 Porsche Boxster S, 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Look, I know Series 13 was already Porsche themed, but there are too many Porsches on this leaked list and from past Forza's for there not to at least be another Porsche themed update (or 4-5 of these Porsches being sprinkled throughout Series updates in the future). And I get it, there's already 100 million Porsches in the game and we just got another 911 in Series 29. Buuuut you can't deny some of these are not only a good fit for Horizon, but are destined to make the final game. The 911 Sport Classic is a beaut, was not only on the leaked list (and in FM4) but it's Thumbnail was glitching on the 911 Singers. If this car doesn't make the final game then I'd be very surprised. The 928 GTS has been teased and teased in promo material and was a famously elusive car in FH3. Would also be surprised if I doesn't make the final cut. The 911 Desert Off-Roader was on the leaked list and could easily swap out with the Dakar Macan that I put in the Extreme Off-Roaders series. A very cool addition nonetheless that definitely has a place in Horizon. Then the 924 Carrera GTS too top it off. We need more Porsches thart aren't 911's and this one is a great one, comes with a nice widebody too. Always need more of them now don't we!

Theme 12: Alfa Romeo

- 2009 Alfa Romeo Brera Italia Independent (Leaked list, FM4)
- 1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 (FH3/FM7)
- 1986 Alfa Romeo Spider Quadrifoglio Verde (FH2/FM7)
- 1970 Alfa Romeo Montreal (FM7)

Honorable mentions: 2011 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde, 2011 Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale Zagato, 1992 Alfa Romeo Milano Quadrifoglio Verde, 1990 Alfa Romeo SZ Sprint Zagato, 1986 Alfa Romeo GTV-6, 1958 Alfa Romeo Giulietta Sprint Veloce, 2010 Alfa Romeo 8C Spider

Finally, the best for last. Alfa Romeo to me are definitely the most underdone car manufacturer in FH4, especially when you consider how many awesome Alfa's are sitting in FM7/FH3 and FM4 that they could pull from (13 of them!!!). This series update would only scratch the surface of what I'd really like to see from Alfa, but it'd still be a great first step in righting the ship. The Brera was on the leaked list and was a FM4 staple. A beautiful hatch that'd fit right into the back streets of Edinburgh. The 155 Q4 is a traffic car and it pains me to drive past it knowing there's a drivable model in both FM7/FH3 with an awesome DTM kit too. Needs to be put in ASAP Playground!! The Spider and Montreal are both classics, also both in FM7 so shouldn't be too difficult of an add if licensing isn't getting in the way. They could be interchanged with any of the other classic Alfa's in the Honorable mentions. Though considering how much metal we've got back from FH1, wouldn't shock me to see either the 8C Spider (what a waste that'd be but unsurprising) or the TZ3 Stradale (Yes please!) come back too.


So there it is, 12 themed updates that could be completely wrong or slightly right. We'll see. I imagine we'll see at least a few more themed updates in Horizon's life time and hopefully some of them will be similar to these ones, though they could all be unthemed and this was a colossal waste of time. Oh well! There's probably heaps more you could do so if I get bored I could to a part II, though we'll see. Cheers!

Isn't there also a possibility for a French-themed update?

If so, here's what can be added:
- 1975 Citroen DS 23 Pallas (Leaked List)
- 2004 Peugeot 206 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2007 Peugeot 207 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2011 Citroen DS 4, 2011 Peugeot 308 GTI, 2010 Peugeot RCZ, 2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000, 2011 Peugeot 107, 2011 Citroen C1, 1970 Citroen 2CV

I remember Playground Games mentioning a potential "Normal Car" themed update. The way I interpret this is a mix of hot hatchbacks and sedans. Here's what I can assume:

- 2011 Ford Ka (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2006 Mercedes Benz E 55 AMG (Leaked List)
- 2009 Volvo C 30 (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2008 Toyota Yaris S, 2011 Toyota Aygo, 2011 Toyota Prius (remember, the Hybrid Synergy Drive badge was seen in a texture glitch related to the Toyota MR-2 SC), 2010 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart, 2014 Nissan Juke Nismo RS, 2011 Nissan Micra, 2011 Nissan Leaf, 2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S, 2010 Ford Taurus SHO, 2011 Chevrolet Spark, 2003 Volkswagen Bora VR6, 1988 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V, 2000 BMW 323i Sport

There seems to be at least presence for performance models of American vehicles. Here's what I bet:

- 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (FM7/FH2)
- 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (Leaked List)
- 2012 Dodge Charger SRT-8 (FM7/FH2)

Potentials: 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392, 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10, 2015 Ford Mustang GT, 2010 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2007 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2006 Ford Focus ST, 2003 Ford Focus SVT, 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8

I also remember Playground Games mentioning the possibility of a rally-themed update. I mean, Update 22 was a rally-themed update that added 1990s cars known for its presence in rally racing (205 Rallye, Pulsar GTI-R, Celica ST185, Ford Racing Puma and Celica ST205). This set could be a potential "Classic Rally Icons" list:

- 1975 Citroen DS 23 Pallas (Leaked List)
- 1967 #1 Ford Escort MKI (Leaked List; presumably https://rallysportmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/COI71-Sclater-Holmes-Escort-800x600.jpg
- 1985 Porsche 911 Desert (Leaked List)
- 1987 DAF 95 TwinTurbo X1 (Another leaked list that was leaked way before the 137 car leak, I'll attach the link)
- 2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000 (Leaked List, FM4)

Diving from both leaks, there also appears to be a fair share of saloons/sedans, mainly, luxury sedans from brands like Maserati, Rolls Royce and Mercedes-Benz. Here's a potential set:

- 2012 Maserati Quattroporte (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2015 Volvo S60 Polestar (Full Car List leak, FM7)
- 2012 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG (Leaked List, FM4?)
- Rolls Royce Wraith (Leaked List, FM7)

The possibility of a "retro-Japanese" update may be a thing, given that there is a notable presence of several 1990s Japanese cars in the 137 car leaked list. However, I'll consider 2000s vehicles as "retro" in this case.

- 1997 Mitsubishi FTO (Leaked List, FM4)
- 1992 Mazda 323 GTR (Leaked List)
- 1999 Honda Civic Si (Leaked List, FM4)
- 1997 Lexus SC 300 (FH3)

Potentials: 2003 Lexus SC 430, 2003 Lexus IS 300, 1990 Mazda MX-5 Miata, 1984 Toyota Celica Supra, 1985 Nissan Safari Turbo, 1994 Honda Civic Si, 1995 Honda CR-X del Sol SiR

As there are three Lincolns mentioned in the leaked list (with two really interesting choices), the next set is probably gonna be obvious, although the 2018 Continental was added in FM7 as part of paid DLC.

- 1962 Lincoln Continental (Leaked List, FM4)
- 1988 Lincoln Mark VII LSC (Leaked List)
- 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII (Leaked List)
- 2018 Lincoln Continental (FM7)

Given that the Porsche Expansion brought over 21 Porsches to the XBOX One Forza games ever since FM6, I believe that the list of Porsches are a bit incomplete, up until now. Cars such as the 2012 Cayman R, 2010 Panamera Turbo and 2008 911 GT2 have been only seen in the XBOX-XBOX 360 (FM-FM4) era. I believe that these Porsches would be a decent addition to the already growing Porsche Roster in Horizon 4.

- 2012 Porsche Cayman R (FM4)
- 2007 Porsche 997 Turbo (FM4)
- 2008 Porsche 911 GT2 997 (FM3)
- 2010 Porsche Boxster S (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic (Leaked List, Thumbnail accidentally used)
- 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 997 (Leaked List, FM4)

Potential: 2010 Porsche Panamera Turbo, 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997, 1994 Porsche 911 Turbo S Leichtbau, Porsche 924 Carrera GTS, 1993 Porsche 928, 1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS

There also have been a fair share of Hondas that only made it into the XBOX 360 Era. Given that part of the Horizon 4 car list (e.g. Hudson Hornet and GMC Typhoon) was previously only seen in Forza Motorsport 4/Forza Horizon, it would be great to see a Honda-themed update that could bring back beloved classics into the XBOX One/Series X era. The only possible update themes left (w/o repetition) are Japanese themed, Italian themed and French themed.


- 1999 Honda Civic Si (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2014 Honda Civic Si (FM7)
- 1970 Honda S 800 (Leaked List, FM7)
- 2011 Honda CR-Z EX (FM4)
- 1994 Honda Civic 1.5 VTI (FM4)
- 1995 Honda CRX Del Sol VTEC (FM4)
- 2000 Honda Integra Type-R (FM4)

Potentials: 2000 Honda Prelude SiR, 2000 Honda Prelude Type SH, 2009 Honda Fit Sport, 2012 Honda HPD Fit, 1994 Honda Civic Si

The possibility of an Italian-car update may be present too, given that the last time Playground Games used that theme was back in Update 16. Surprisingly, there is a balance of Italian Sports cars and daily drivers in both leaked lists.

- 1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4 (Pre-release leak, FM7)
- 1986 Alfa Romeo Spider QV (Pre-release leak, FM7)
- 2000 Fiat Coupe 2.0 20V Turbo (Leaked List, FM4 DLC)
- 1970 De Tomaso Pantera (Leaked List, FM4)
- 1975 Fiat X/19 (Pre-release leak, FM7)

Potentials: Alfa Romeo MiTo, 2009 Alfa Romeo Brera, 2010 Fiat Punto Evo SPORT, 1952 Fiat 8V Supersonic, 2016 Abarth Punto Supersport

There have been several race cars from both the vintage F1 Series (1930-1960 Seasons) and vintage LM prototypes like the Porsche 917LH and Ferrari 512S that have been added into Horizon 4. There is a fair share of vintage race cars in the leaked list, although they could appear as "unmarked" models (those without a pre-set livery such as the 512S).

- 1970 Matra-Simca MS650 (Leaked List)
- 1924 Austin Seven 'Salamander Special' (Leaked List)
- 1964 Porsche 904 Carrera GTS (FM7)
- 1948 Ferrari 166 Inter Sport (FM7 DLC)

Potentials: 1957 Maserati 250F, 1952 Ferrari 375, 1970 Ferrari 512M, 1970 Porsche 917K

Given that we recently had confirmation that the 2006 Mercedes E55 AMG in the leaked list was actually a station wagon, the possibility of a station wagon update in the future is very likely.

- 2006 Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (Leaked List)
- 1987 Mercedes-AMG Hammer Station Wagon (Was scanned to Forza, according to Blue Ridge Mercedes)
- 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (Leaked List)

This is the earlier leaked list, this time, leaking what appears to be the full car list way before Horizon 4 released. https://www.gtplanet.net/is-this-the-full-car-list-for-forza-horizon-4/
 
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Isn't there also a possibility for a French-themed update?

If so, here's what can be added:
- 1975 Citroen DS 23 Pallas (Leaked List)
- 2004 Peugeot 206 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2007 Peugeot 207 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2011 Citroen DS 4, 2011 Peugeot 308 GTI, 2010 Peugeot RCZ, 2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000, 2011 Peugeot 107, 2011 Citroen C1, 1970 Citroen 2CV

I remember Playground Games mentioning a potential "Normal Car" themed update. The way I interpret this is a mix of hot hatchbacks and sedans. Here's what I can assume:

- 2011 Ford Ka (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2006 Mercedes Benz E 55 AMG (Leaked List)
- 2009 Volvo C 30 (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2008 Toyota Yaris S, 2011 Toyota Aygo, 2011 Toyota Prius (remember, the Hybrid Synergy Drive badge was seen in a texture glitch related to the Toyota MR-2 SC), 2010 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart, 2014 Nissan Juke Nismo RS, 2011 Nissan Micra, 2011 Nissan Leaf, 2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S, 2010 Ford Taurus SHO, 2011 Chevrolet Spark, 2003 Volkswagen Bora VR6, 1988 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V, 2000 BMW 323i Sport

There seems to be at least presence for performance models of American vehicles. Here's what I bet:

- 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (FM7/FH2)
- 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (Leaked List)
- 2012 Dodge Charger SRT-8 (FM7/FH2)

Potentials: 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392, 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10, 2015 Ford Mustang GT, 2010 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2007 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2006 Ford Focus ST, 2003 Ford Focus SVT, 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8

All excellent predictions, especially the Normal Car themed update. Though I thought PG said that was supposed to come in the early half of 2020 but I guess plans have changed.
 
Has the seasonal completion slowed down this season for some reason ? Before, each seasonal championship events use to mean that you advanced 10 %, now it seems like it's only 5-6%, seems strange to me.
 
Isn't there also a possibility for a French-themed update?

If so, here's what can be added:
- 1975 Citroen DS 23 Pallas (Leaked List)
- 2004 Peugeot 206 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2007 Peugeot 207 RC (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2011 Citroen DS 4, 2011 Peugeot 308 GTI, 2010 Peugeot RCZ, 2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000, 2011 Peugeot 107, 2011 Citroen C1, 1970 Citroen 2CV

I remember Playground Games mentioning a potential "Normal Car" themed update. The way I interpret this is a mix of hot hatchbacks and sedans. Here's what I can assume:

- 2011 Ford Ka (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2009 Citroen C4 VTS (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2006 Mercedes Benz E 55 AMG (Leaked List)
- 2009 Volvo C 30 (Leaked List, FM4)

Potentials: 2008 Toyota Yaris S, 2011 Toyota Aygo, 2011 Toyota Prius (remember, the Hybrid Synergy Drive badge was seen in a texture glitch related to the Toyota MR-2 SC), 2010 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart, 2014 Nissan Juke Nismo RS, 2011 Nissan Micra, 2011 Nissan Leaf, 2009 Ford Fiesta Zetec S, 2010 Ford Taurus SHO, 2011 Chevrolet Spark, 2003 Volkswagen Bora VR6, 1988 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V, 2000 BMW 323i Sport

There seems to be at least presence for performance models of American vehicles. Here's what I bet:

- 2010 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 (FM7/FH2)
- 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (Leaked List)
- 2012 Dodge Charger SRT-8 (FM7/FH2)

Potentials: 2012 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 392, 2006 Dodge Ram SRT-10, 2015 Ford Mustang GT, 2010 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2007 Ford Shelby GT 500, 2006 Ford Focus ST, 2003 Ford Focus SVT, 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8

I also remember Playground Games mentioning the possibility of a rally-themed update. I mean, Update 22 was a rally-themed update that added 1990s cars known for its presence in rally racing (205 Rallye, Pulsar GTI-R, Celica ST185, Ford Racing Puma and Celica ST205). This set could be a potential "Classic Rally Icons" list:

- 1975 Citroen DS 23 Pallas (Leaked List)
- 1967 #1 Ford Escort MKI (Leaked List; presumably https://rallysportmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/COI71-Sclater-Holmes-Escort-800x600.jpg
- 1985 Porsche 911 Desert (Leaked List)
- 1987 DAF 95 TwinTurbo X1 (Another leaked list that was leaked way before the 137 car leak, I'll attach the link)
- 2007 Peugeot 207 Super 2000 (Leaked List, FM4)

Diving from both leaks, there also appears to be a fair share of saloons/sedans, mainly, luxury sedans from brands like Maserati, Rolls Royce and Mercedes-Benz. Here's a potential set:

- 2012 Maserati Quattroporte (Leaked List, FM4)
- 2015 Volvo S60 Polestar (Full Car List leak, FM7)
- 2012 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG (Leaked List, FM4?)
- 2005 Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (Leaked List)
- Rolls Royce Wraith (Leaked List, FM7)

This is the earlier leaked list, this time, leaking what appears to be the full car list way before Horizon 4 released. https://www.gtplanet.net/is-this-the-full-car-list-for-forza-horizon-4/
I wonder if the Valkyrie and AMG One will still turn up in FH4, I'm hoping so but up get the feeling they'll be left for the new Motorsport game. I think apart from a load of Forza Edition cars and couple of others, most of the cars from the original car list have now been released.

Not sure how many are left off the current leaked list and what might be planned after that.
 
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Has the seasonal completion slowed down this season for some reason ? Before, each seasonal championship events use to mean that you advanced 10 %, now it seems like it's only 5-6%, seems strange to me.
When there's a Showcase event you get 6% for each championship. And you get 7% when there's no Showcase. The championships and PR stunts must lost 1% each when there's a Showcase event (6%) in order to maintain that 100%.
 
To the Series X guys, some of the new prize cars have see thru exhausts, does the xbox fix this since it uses a better car model? Thanks.

Ex- Ford Puma
Nissan Pulsar

Turns out if you change the gameplay from
performance to quality the exhaust are no longer see-thru. A small price to pay for salvation.
 
Turns out if you change the gameplay from
performance to quality the exhaust are no longer see-thru. A small price to pay for salvation.

The issue is still there on the Series X and there is no choice to choose which modes considering Series X is basically both quality and performance. The Jeep Trackhawk shows this and I remember this car having the same issue on my One X in performance mode. If Panic Button is handling these type of things, I hope they are good at what they do and fix this.
 
The Austin Seven 1924 mentioned in the leaked list is not an ordinary 1920s car that people claim to be in the list but something called the 1924 Austin Seven 'Salamander Special'. Here's an image of the Austin Seven Salamander Special.
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Monthly rivals are not accessible from the playlist for reasons unknown.
It seems to be accessible from the rival menu, but the achievement rate does not add up.
And the achievement rate for rival events does not seem to be added to other events.

It is an objective fact that since the COVID-19 pandemic, the quality of their debugging work has deteriorated. And this would be one of them.
 
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