Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[Nielsen]

Thought I was the only one to notice this . Funny how he tries to blame everyone else for arguments he starts.

It’s hilarious, sharing a viewpoint is so argumentative!

 

[MagpieRacer]

I didn’t say Forza Motorsport was sacrified for FH5. Not even close. I said FH5 was released to compensate for delayed income over Forza Motorsport taking much longer than usual to develop.

Ok, let’s say people can handle different opinions. Then why is it unacceptable to claim that FH4 should have stuck around? It wouldn’t be intolerable to play as most people seem fine with the fact that FH5 largely continues the same formula.



The bug reports inspired my comment, but those aren’t the emphasis of my own concerns. For me FH5 boils down to charging people for a new map on which seasonal differences are far less pronounced, and the name change from FH4 to FH5 meant we lost a bunch of manufactures and car models. They also had to license a ton of new music for the radio stations, which sadly must impact the size of the car licensing budget. For what? Better gameplay and some refined audio. Just not worth it to me, and then all hell breaks loose with people getting argumentative and accusing me of ulterior motives as I explain why. Crazy!

You change your own narrative to suit the comments. Waste of time discussing anything with you.

I mean, how dare they make the gameplay better, what kind of studio is this!

 

[ImaRobot]

It’s hilarious, sharing a viewpoint is so argumentative!

 

[Nielsen]

You change your own narrative to suit the comments. Waste of time discussing anything with you.

You guys amaze me. You don’t hesitate to counterargue when you might as well disagree without a fuss, but you’re not prepared to explain yourselves when called out on the specifics. What a circus.

I mean, how dare they make the gameplay better, what kind of studio is this!

Dramatic. How about you address the actual points?

 

[ImaRobot]

Look at him go! he sure got you guys.

 

[Sage Ages]

The more I play this game, the more my opinion shifts from "wow, this is pretty good" to "wow, FH4 was terrible"

 

[Deadheadbill]

The more I play this game, the more my opinion shifts from "wow, this is pretty good" to "wow, FH4 was terrible"

I don't think FH4 was terrible in fact I quite liked it, but I do believe that FH5 is an improvement in every way except the online component at the moment and I have every confidence they will iron that out.

 

[PJTierney]

Made some more liveries recently, enjoy

 

[MagpieRacer]

You guys amaze me. You don’t hesitate to counterargue when you might as well disagree without a fuss, but you’re not prepared to explain yourselves when called out on the specifics. What a circus.

Dramatic. How about you address the actual points?

What specifics? What points? All you’ve done is complain about some bugs and missing cars in a game you haven’t played. What do you want us to say?

 

[UKMikey]

Allow me to put words in someone else's "mounth" again.

"You shouldn't be playing this game you've bought which you're clearly enjoying, because it shouldn't have been released for another couple of years."

"Other people can't handle my opinion, even though they've played the game and I refused to. Now I want to join the party despite continuing to refuse to participate, and my opinion is definitely worth something."

"I'm not arguing. It's those other people who disagree with me that are arguing. Not a single person agrees with me, and yet I'm not the problem, everyone else is. You all need to change your attitude."

That's the impression I'm getting from the above posts.

 

[Nielsen]

Look at him go! he sure got you guys.

Time for a reality check. Regulars to this section should not flatter themselves with the illusion that they are recipients to comments posted by non-regulars. I addressed no one.

This is the general discussion thread for FH5. Usually these threads are open to wide range of inputs, like viewpoints. Does it ring a bell? People have no obligation to respond to them, and you’ve probably gotten too comfortable if you feel you must.

 

[UKMikey]

I just found a proper cheese way to get to the harder fast travel boards on the buildings. Make a route that goes past the building with a ramp onto the building, stop on the building and quit the race and you are left on the building to get the fast travel board 😂

I hope someone has made a route that goes off the motorway past a particular pylon. I also need to learn to build a route that leads past a particular topple rock in the northeast of the map, if no one has already.

 

[Sage Ages]

Hi, can you shut the **** up with your dumb bickering and go back to talking about the game? Thank you.

 

[Milouse]

As anyone figured out the common point between the 24 allowed cars for this week "The Trial" race? They called it "Collector's Series"?

Spoiler: Cars

[HYPERCARS] 2018 Bugatti Chiron - 2400000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1992 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport - 1700000 Cr
[EXTREME TRACK TOYS] 2014 Ferrari FXX K - 2700000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2013 Ferrari LaFerrari - 1500000 Cr
[TRACK TOYS] 2013 Ferrari 458 Speciale - 340000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 2002 Ferrari Enzo Ferrari - 2800000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1995 Ferrari F50 - 2000000 Cr
[CLASSIC RACERS] 1967 Ferrari #24 Ferrari Spa 330 P4 - 9000000 Cr
[CLASSIC RACERS] 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO - 50000000 Cr
[CLASSIC RACERS] 1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa - 16400000 Cr
[RARE CLASSICS] 1957 Ferrari 250 California - 18500000 Cr
[CLASSIC RACERS] 1956 Jaguar D-Type - 22000000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2016 Koenigsegg Regera - 1900000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2015 Koenigsegg One:1 - 2800000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2013 Lamborghini Veneno - 3000000 Cr
[MODERN SUPERCARS] 2008 Lamborghini Reventón - 1375000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1997 Lotus Elise GT1 - 1800000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2018 McLaren Senna - 1000000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1998 Nissan R390 - 1250000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2016 Pagani Huayra BC - 2700000 Cr
[HYPERCARS] 2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster - 2100000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1998 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion - 2500000 Cr
[CLASSIC RACERS] 1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe - 30000000 Cr
[RETRO SUPERCARS] 1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 - 500000 Cr
List generated on kudosprime.com (edit)

 

[Deadheadbill]

Easy way to get one of the rooftop fast travels.

 

[Nielsen]

What specifics? What points? All you’ve done is complain about some bugs and missing cars in a game you haven’t played.

I specifically asked you a question. Instead of answering you backed out accusing me of changing my “narrative”. Absolute nonsense. I addressed the points head on.

Having not played the game doesn’t disqualify me from taking note of the facts. Some of you don’t seem to understand this.

What do you want us to say?

Nothing.

Allow me to put words in someone else's mouth again.

"You shouldn't be playing this game you've bought which you're clearly enjoying, because it shouldn't have been released for another couple of years."

"Other people can't handle my opinion, even though they've played the game and I refused to. Now I want to join the party despite continuing to refuse to participate, and my opinion is definitely worth something."

"I'm not arguing. It's those other people who disagree with me that are arguing. Not a single person agrees with me, and yet I'm not the problem, everyone else is. You all need to change your attitude."

That's the impression I'm getting from the above posts.

Tough luck, I won’t allow it.

 

[UKMikey]

Tough luck, I won’t allow it.

Well, okay, here is what you yourself said.

Judging by all the complaints about this game, the world would have been better off if they had kept supporting FH4 up until the release of Forza Motorsport.

There are no FH5 bugs worthy of stopping the show and delaying the launch, which is exactly what you're implying.

I didn’t imply any such thing, and it’s not my fault that you read assumptions into my words, and then use it as bait to provoke a prolonged argument.

I'm no longer interested in your opinion and instead quote this conversation so that other people can make up their minds regarding your style of debate, and degree of contribution to this thread. I feel that most of the participants have already done this, however.

 

[MagpieRacer]

I specifically asked you a question. Instead of answering you backed out accusing me of changing my “narrative”. Absolute nonsense. I addressed the points head on.

Having not played the game doesn’t disqualify me from taking note of the facts. Some of you don’t seem to understand this.



Nothing.



Tough luck, I won’t allow it.

No you didn’t. You asked why it was considered unacceptable to claim FH4 should have stuck around. Well I can only assume that particular question was aimed at someone else because I didn’t say it was unacceptable. I repeated your own claim.

The second part that had a question mark seemed to pertain to the car locensing and music licensing and something about FH5 sacrificing the car licensing budget for music (speculative and probably incorrect) in favour of better gameplay and audio. Both of which I addressed. As have others.

So there’s 2 questions in that post, one of which seemed irrelevant to anything I’d said and one of which was borderline rhetoric but had an answer anyway.

Also, having not played the game does disqualify you from certain facts or aspects of discussion because you can ONLY use your own speculation rather than form an accurate opinion based on that key element of, ya know, playing the game.

 

[Nielsen]

Well, okay, here is what you yourself said.



I'm no longer interested in your opinion and instead quote this conversation so that other people can make up their minds regarding your style of debate.

Hand-picking sentences out of their original context? Not impressed. Just read the discussion again. All you need to know is there.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Ten cars left in the Car Collection to go. Now I can focus on actually beating all the races and such.

 

[breyzipp]

Can a moderator PLEASE stop all this off topic arguing?

 

[bluemoon_19]

I hope someone has made a route that goes off the motorway past a particular pylon. I also need to learn to build a route that leads past a particular topple rock in the northeast of the map, if no one has already.

I don't think it can be used for the pylon since you have to stop and quit the race and anything from the race also disappears.

 

[Nielsen]

No you didn’t. You asked why it was considered unacceptable to claim FH4 should have stuck around. Well I can only assume that particular question was aimed at someone else because I didn’t say it was unacceptable. I repeated your own claim.

Why could you only assume it wasn’t directed at you? It was in direct response to you blaming me for saying FH4 should have carried on instead of releasing FH5 before Forza Motorsport.

Also, having not played the game does disqualify you from certain facts or aspects of discussion because you can ONLY use your own speculation rather than form an accurate opinion based on that key element of, ya know, playing the game.

You’re quite frankly rambling. The points I raised are based on hard facts, regardless of me playing the game or not.

 

[Terronium-12]

And that's where that stops. This isn't a thread for bickering or petty back and forths. Discuss the game as intended, or leave the thread and discuss things elsewhere.

First and last warning.

 

[inCloud]

FH5 is an improvement in every way except the online component

Nope.
1)All progression is actually worse then what was in FH4. Stage before you become part of Hall of Fame is Ok, but they just drop development here. Game could be 1000x times better if they put someone with experience of balancing and he just tune it.
2)Map design is worse. Espesially if you consider that it was created with Eliminator in mind. Seasonal changes with all power that they have now are pathetic. Like, they could start snowfall in some regions and duststorm in another and all we have is 500m2 of snow at top of the mountain? Is it so hard to cut some regions with deep water at storm/wet season? There are 4 BIG rivers in gameworld and only one becomes deep enough.
3)QA is none existent. Like, they have working build month ago. They have hundreds of influensers that could test seasonal content, but we still have daily challenges that could not be done.
4)Mirroring is completly broken. IDK, maybe its because of 10.000.000 players.
5)Even Rivals is broken.

3 years in development. Almost zero new features. 250 cars cut from FH4.

 

[soc123_au]

Some interesting discussion over the last few pages, I'm pretty new to Horizon, so the history behind some of it is probably lost on me. But I'll weigh in with my take on the game.

I first played Forza games when I got game pass a bit over a year ago in an attempt to keep myself going until GT7 arrives. I enjoyed FM7 but FH4 did nothing for me. I figured that I must prefer more race oriented titles and open world wasn't for me. I probably put 10 to 15 hours into FH4 over a few weeks to give it a chance, but found myself wanting to quit it to complete FM7 or do the dailies on GTS.

Fast forward to now and with GT7 still months away and GTS and FM7 completed I thought I'd give FH5 a shot. Part of my dislike of FH5 was the snow and general miserable weather. Whenever I played it I seemed to time it to winter, lol. I knew the seasons changed, but knowing I'd be having to put up with snow every few weeks was enough to make me not be that interested.

When I saw the release date announced for FH5 announced and the subsequent trailer I decided I'd give it a try. At least the weather would be nice. So I bit the bullet and preordered.

The biggest thing I can say about the game is it is just great fun. It has it's faults, but for me it doesn't really affect the fun factor. I hope they fix the issues, and I'm sure they will, but in the meantime there is a tonne of fun stuff to keep me amused. Maybe I'm not as fussy as some, but to me on a dollar for hour basis this game is going to be fantastic value. I'm playing on series X and I'm not getting a lot of the issues that PC players seem to be encountering. The only real bugs seem to be related to online in arcade and eliminator.

I find the UI to be pretty ordinary in comparison to GT games, the story is cheesy as all get out, the music isn't really to my taste, the car list is missing most of my favourites from FM7 (Aussie stuff & early Mazdas), the car modelling isn't as polished as GT Sport, but it's still fun to play. The tuning options are very good, the game overall looks great, there is no shortage of things to do, the difficulty level (apart from seasonals) is very scalable to suit most people. In the coming months as the car list expands and the glitches get sorted this will be an absolute belter of a game. In the meantime I'll be banging away trying to fill my car collection, trying to complete the seasonals and experimenting with oddball creations to launch off danger signs and having a ****ing ball.

 

[RazorSharkz]

Anyway, I really need to get a new computer it seems. Mine was just up to date enough to run FH4 and won't quite run 5 as it is. Just gotta find the excess money to justify a whole new machine Forza and Age Of Empires.

 

[UKMikey]

Anyway, I really need to get a new computer it seems. Mine was just up to date enough to run FH4 and won't quite run 5 as it is. Just gotta find the excess money to justify a whole new machine Forza and Age Of Empires.

I'm not sure but I think 4 started to run better on lower end PCs as PG got better at optimising it. I'm almost certain this was the case with 3. Hopefully the latest game will follow suit as updates come out which address game performance. At any rate I hope the requirements to run 4 and 5 are the same.

 

[ELmarcotuff]

What's the car reset button on wheel?

 

[RazorSharkz]

I'm not sure but I think 4 started to run better on lower end PCs as PG got better at optimising it. I'm almost certain this was the case with 3. Hopefully the latest game will follow suit as updates come out which address game performance. At any rate I hope the requirements to run 4 and 5 are the same.

I don't think they are because when I try to start 5 on my PC it tells me I need to upgrade. My PC is like 10 years old though to be fair, and was cheap then. At least I still have my XBone