Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

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RYAN
Whereas I'm definitely not too bowled over with the new update contents I prefer not to complain like a lot of others. They said we will be getting a double "large" christmas update so I don't mind a quiet month if that update is going to make up for it.

Also hopefully those rumours and reports that Alfa (and hopefully other Stellantis brands) are finally coming are true.
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What rumours? Did I miss something?
 
willbsn13
What rumours? Did I miss something?
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People really want a thing -> People dig for anything that suggests it might happen

We've seen their cars in pre-release footage (later edited out in most cases) and they're in the credits. That's about it, really.

The fact that they were in pre-release footage suggests it was probably not content held back for the future, but a licensing deal gone wrong. Of course, in the age of GAAS, I could be wrong.

Here is the compilation of clips as seen on Forza's YouTube channel:


Here is the version given out to YouTubers before release:


The Lancia Stratos is missing from the official upload (except for the 2 frames the editor missed).
 
AutumnalGlow
People really want a thing -> People dig for anything that suggests it might happen

We've seen their cars in pre-release footage (later edited out in most cases) and they're in the credits. That's about it, really.

The fact that they were in pre-release footage suggests it was probably not content held back for the future, but a licensing deal gone wrong. Of course, in the age of GAAS, I could be wrong.

Here is the compilation of clips as seen on Forza's YouTube channel:


Here is the version given out to YouTubers before release:


The Lancia Stratos is missing from the official upload (except for the 2 frames the editor missed).
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Oh I thought he was referring to a new rumour.

Although bringing up the whole Stratos situation again got me thinking -

Has there ever been a situation in any other racing game where a whole manufacturer was shown off pre-release - only to not even feature in the final product?

From memory there might have been snippets of Porsches spotted in FH2/FH3 before release, Volkswagen in FH3 and same with Mitsubishi in FH4

Though outside of FH, this doesn't seem to be an issue (unless I'm forgetting something obvious)
 
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Lotus in GT Sport is another. For some reason, even though its about 10 years later, I do also distinctly remember seeing a Mosler and a couple of Renaults (a Twingo and Megane) in early E3 gameplay videos of the first Horizon. Whether that was a licencing dispute or they were just placeholders is unknown, but they've always just stuck in my mind.

GT3's JGTC Diablo is a slightly weird variant where it made release but got shafted after the Japanese version. Other than that, I'm struggling to think of any. I think the conglomeration of lots of car brands has made licencing more of an issue in the past few years, something which Horizon gets caught in the crossfire of as it releases fairly frequently compared to a lot of other racing games.
 
It's not just the Mitsubishis that were left out of FH4 at launch - there were several others like a '71 Falcon XY and a '95 Mustang among them. They never returned. So did the Jeep Grand Wagoneer and the Shelby Raptor. Shame because I liked those cars.

If and when Stellantis' Italian cars do show up I do agree they need to be Autoshow-only. It really grinds my gears seeing old cars return as drip-fed content and not bothering to put them into the Autoshow. That's my main gripe with FH5.
 
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Is it me or did the update add an unconscionable amount of render latency? I'm hovering around 77-84ms with v-sync on.

Turning RT down from extreme back to high didn't fix anything. Disabling v-sync helps for all of 10 seconds, then it returns to 77-84ms (if not higher). DLAA has some insane shimmering and was turned off immediately. Haven't messed around with DLSS or FSR much yet.
 
Some settings have been moved to video settings from graphics
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R5 5600 + 2070 Super + 16GB ram on a 1080p 165hz display
My default DSR 1440p settings (RT Extreme, MSAA 4x).

75.4 Fps avg

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DLAA with 0.5 (default sharpness) with same settings at 1080p. It has apparently the same effect as dsr, on the image but not the ui (as you can see my RTSS readout on the top left). It replaces MSAA.

95.8FPS avg
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1440p with Ultra Performance DLSS.
98.1 FPS avg

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1440p with DLSS Quality.
86.7 FPS Avg

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1440p FSR 2.2 Ultra Performance
107.4 fps avg



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1440p FSR 2.2 Quality
89.1 FPS AVG

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To sum it up FPS wise

FSR Ultra Performance (107.4)
DLSS Ultra Performance (98.1)
DLAA 1080p (95.8)
FSR Quality (89.1)
DLSS Quality (86.7)
DSR Stock 4x MSAA (75.4)

I'd say DLSS struggles with thin elements like power lines and edges with bright background (eg. building edges against the sun).
FSR also struggles with the same, but more on the power lines. It also struggles with writings/alphabets (checkpoints and building boards) as well as the arrow boards placed in corners during a race.

On quality mode both are comparable and barely distinguishable (except for more "artifacty" power cables and letters). Ultra Performance on both makes them a smudgy mess and look like a water color painting.

For Image quality I would say:
DSR
DLAA
Quality (DLSS=FSR, maybe edge to DLSS)
DLSS Ultra Performance
FSR Ultra Performance


MY choice will be DLAA 1080p as I play on a 1080p monitor with enough headroom on my gpu to push resolution and also because I'm happy to stay at 72fps (Can't tell much difference in higher frame rate)
This obviously will depend on personal preference, and hardware differences like monitor resolution and headroom (and obv. high frame rate vs. graphic quality).

Oh and also small things i noticed while running benchmarks regarding RT (on extreme atleast):

SORRY ABOUT THE POOR PHONE PICS, DIDN"T WANNA SCREENSHOT WHILE IT WAS BENCHMARKING> IT WILL SAY BENCHMARK INTERRUPTED SOMETIMES

Mirrors reflecting body, and the body reflecting the mirrors.
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Tailights (when braking), reflecting on nearby surfaces like body and other glass elements like reverse lights and also the rear wing reflected on the body (right above the Corvette lettering)
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We're constantly working to improve the experience in Forza Horizon 5. Below you will find a summary of items fixed or improved upon in this update.


Version Number:

  • Xbox One: 2.527.960.0
  • Xbox Series: 3.527.960.0
  • PC: 3.527.960.0
  • Steam: 1.527.960.0

New Features
  • Horizon Story "Donut Media @ Horizon" featuring the "Donut Media Test Track"
  • 8 Accolades
  • Donut Media clothing items, emotes, ForzaLink, and collectible
Unlockable Cars 
  • New To Forza
    • 2020 Lynk&Co #62 Cyan Racing 03
  • Returning To Forza
    • 1965 Morris Mini-Traveller
    • 1946 Ford Super Deluxe Station Wagon 
    • 1953 Morris Minor Series II Traveler
Car Customization
  • 21 New Rocket Bunny Widebody Kits:
    • 1997 BMW M3
    • 2005 BMW M3
    • 1992 Honda NSX-R
    • 2003 Honda S2000
    • 2015 Lexus RC F
    • 1994 Mazda MX-5 Miata
    • 1997 Mazda RX-7 (features 2 Rocket Bunny widebody kits)
    • 1993 Nissan 240SX SE
    • 1969 Nissan Fairlady Z 432
    • 2003 Nissan Fairlady Z
    • 1992 Nissan Silvia CLUB K's
    • 1994 Nissan Silvia K's
    • 1998 Nissan Silvia K's Aero
    • 2000 Nissan Silvia Spec-R
    • 1993 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec
    • 2015 Porsche Cayman GTS
    • 2013 Subaru BRZ
    • 2013 Toyota 86
    • 1992 Volkswagen Golf GTI 16v Mk2
    • 2014 Volkswagen Golf R
PC Improvements
  • AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution 2.2
  • Enhanced DirectX Raytracing
  • Includes two new presets "Ultra" and "Extreme" which render reflections for the player's car in Free Roam, Races, and Drivatar reflections in Photo Mode
  • NVIDIA DLSS Super Resolution
  • NVIDIA DLAA
  • 3DRap Hand Controller HC1 compatibility
Bug fixes

General
  • Fixed an issue where players were systematically getting prompted to set a route in the world map for Horizon Origins story
  • Fixed an issue where "Car Type" sorting was not displaying in alphabetical order
  • General improvements to ASL and BSL for various Story missions
  • General improvements to localized VOs in Horizon Stories
  • General performance and stability fixes
  • Fixed an issue where big hats were not visible in some cabriolets while in free roam
  • Fixed an issue with the Tankito Doritos outfit where the hat was missing the brand logo
  • Fixed an issue where the microphone was missing from the Karaoke emote
Cars
  • Fixed an issue with the 2020 Toyota Supra GR where all engine check lights were active at the same time
EventLab
  •  Improvements to the Props memory budget UI showing incorrect values upon re-editing a custom blueprint
PC
  • Fixed an issue where Steering Wheels input mapping layout was changing to default after restarting the client
  • Fixed an issue with 40xx Series NVIDIA GPUs where default graphic preset was set as "Low" instead of "Extreme"
 
For those that say DLSS performance gains are lackluster.
Even the basic Resolution Scaling before had a surpricingly low impact on overall performance from my testing, but DLSS does provide a much better image quality then the old Resolution Scaling options.

I have an RTX 2080 Super and a 4K 144hz monitor. I used the "Balanced" resolution scaling before. Now I can use the "Performance" Setting with DLSS and turn Ray Tracing to "Extreme" and still get the same framerate with better image quality then before.
 
Back with some numbers after many benchmark runs.

RTX 2080 Super with my preferred Graphics settings that I've been using for a while. Differences being AA and Resolution Scaling settings. Plus I have enabled "Extreme" quality Ray Tracing for these test.

Native 4K No AA: 57FPS

Native 4K + TAA: 53FPS

FX CAS No AA: 80FPS Because FX CAS does not include it's own AA like FSR and DLSS this option looks terrible.

FX CAS + TAA: 79FPS 41.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA

FSR 2.2: 66FPS 24.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA

DLSS: 66FPS 24.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA



FX CAS offers the best performance gains, but looks far softer then FSR or DLSS

FSR 2.2 and DLSS offer the same performance numbers, But DLSS offered a slightly sharper image.
 
ShawnPhillips
Back with some numbers after many benchmark runs.

RTX 2080 Super with my preferred Graphics settings that I've been using for a while. Differences being AA and Resolution Scaling settings. Plus I have enabled "Extreme" quality Ray Tracing for these test.

Native 4K No AA: 57FPS

Native 4K + TAA: 53FPS

FX CAS No AA: 80FPS Because FX CAS does not include it's own AA like FSR and DLSS this option looks terrible.

FX CAS + TAA: 79FPS 41.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA

FSR 2.2: 66FPS 24.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA

DLSS: 66FPS 24.5% FPS gain over Native 4K+TAA



FX CAS offers the best performance gains, but looks far softer then FSR or DLSS

FSR 2.2 and DLSS offer the same performance numbers, But DLSS offered a slightly sharper image.
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I have seen some nice gains also
before the update without RT
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After the update with RT extreme and DLSS Quality
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Theres‘s some new Donut Media clothing. Two t-shirts, two baseball hats, and a jumper, hoodie, and a bomber jacket.

This cracks me up. It’s a hood delete, yet it’s branded C-West. But what are they branding? There’s no hood to brand. And how much are they charging for that hood that doesn’t exist?
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ProjectWHaT
Is this actually supposed to be a hood delete?? If it is, then why does it increase the weight by 4 kg?
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or is it a scenario where one of the new RB kits (as seen on that car) inadvertently causes a "hood delete" glitch when you select an actual custom hood? Because I don't think you're supposed to see that lower-LOD/non-Forzavista engine bay.
 

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