Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

[Kelpy D]

 

[EngieDiesel]

There's technically a way around this. In FH3 & 4, you can take a racing transmission and tune the ratios so that the last 2 gears have the same ratio as 4th, effectively creating a 4 speed by making 5th & 6th redundant. You then adjust 1-4 and the Final Drive as you desire (IIRC, decreasing 4th also automatically decreases the ratios for 5th & 6th). I remember turning the Dodge Dart HE from FH3 into a 3-speed because it was the only way to make it useful. Even with the new transmission options, I doubt PG would do away with this in FH5.

That being said, a proper 4 speed racing gearbox would still be welcome.

I was doing this all the way back in Forza Motorsport 4, in fact. The Buick GNX couldn't make use of a 6 speed at all, but it could handle 5 just fine so I made 6th a "dead gear" in that manner. The only problem is that with an automatic transmission the game still shifts up into those gears and then gets really confused about what to do and when to shift back down out of them, which limits its usefulness for sharing tuning setups publicly.

 

[UKMikey]

Maybe I should start using movie posters all the time now...

 

[Rob192005]

 

[Vic Reign93]

Well, we got Ford Super Duty.
And it seems to have resulted in adding this car's engine to some car's engine swap as well.

In other words, we can build a diesel-powered muscle car! Holy crap!

When the Ford F450 was announced with the Diesel V8, I secretly hoped it would be an option for other cars to swap its engine in to.

I mean I was wanting to swap it in to the Crown Vic and it still might be possible, but at least now a Petrol to Diesel swap is now possible, first time ever in Forza if I’m not mistaken.

Of course being more powerful than the stock Hemi V8 probably helped its case a bit.

Spotted an 8.9 litre Supercharged V8 too with 1500hp too, Now what vehicle would possibly have such a Monstrous engine as standard?

 

[ykiki]

 

[strela]

I just got an update for the game preload. It's 114 Gb on XBoneS. The hype is real. Now I only hope the day one patch won't be 30 Gb.. Let's go!!

 

[drouid2]

I just got an update for the game preload. It's 114 Gb on XBoneS. The hype is real. Now I only hope the day one patch won't be 30 Gb.. Let's go!!

103.39 gb on xb series x

 

[BlazeTheCat05]

Spoiler

 

[EngieDiesel]

Spoiler

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I was just thinking that I would want to do something like this after seeing that diesel engine swaps were a thing, and wouldn't ya know it they went and beat me to it!

 

[Vic Reign93]

I was just thinking that I would want to do something like this after seeing that diesel engine swaps were a thing, and wouldn't ya know it they went and beat me to it!

And just in case you want to see it in action for yourself.

 

[TheAdmiester]

From the preload files I can confirm that, at least on day one, there’s no Alfa Romeo/Fiat/etc.

 

[willbsn13]

From the preload files I can confirm that, at least on day one, there’s no Alfa Romeo/Fiat/etc.

Any other day one surprises in there? Perhaps some of the files for the first car pass cars?

 

[TheAdmiester]

Any other day one surprises in there? Perhaps some of the files for the first car pass cars?

Nothing that jumps out to me, but of course reading 500+ similar lines makes things blend in a bit.

Of course the lack of apparent car pass files could suggest we’ll see things added in a day one patch, but there’s nothing concrete to suggest that.

 

[Silver Arrows]

From the preload files I can confirm that, at least on day one, there’s no Alfa Romeo/Fiat/etc.

So issues trying to wrangle up the rights to Stellantis brands then?

 

[Stupornaut]

Well, crud, Horizon's unbroken Missing Manufacturer Streak continues. Maybe the hypercar kids won't notice, but for me losing the GTA, X1/9, and Stratos is a kick in the gut.

 

[TheAdmiester]

So issues trying to wrangle up the rights to Stellantis brands then?

Sounds like it. Nothing to say they can’t come back like Mitsubishi or Toyota though.

 

[Silver Arrows]

On the one hand, I can't really fault PG since the switch over to Stellantis probably means that they had to go through different avenues to re-license content that would have otherwise been simple.

On the other hand, the fact that it is pretty much a given by this point that there will be one large OEM or group of OEM's in 5's case that won't be in the game, at launch, is frustrating, and really goes to show how amateur hour things have been, especially in the lead up to 5's launch.

 

[Stang616]

Sounds like it. Nothing to say they can’t come back like Mitsubishi or Toyota though.

There also could be a day 1 patch containing additional cars. I think it's a bit early to count them out yet.

 

[willbsn13]

Nothing that jumps out to me, but of course reading 500+ similar lines makes things blend in a bit.

Of course the lack of apparent car pass files could suggest we’ll see things added in a day one patch, but there’s nothing concrete to suggest that.

Yeah I'm just going to go ahead an assume they're not in Day One, especially if they aren't here now.

I don't know if you can look in the customization/upgrade files of cars yet but I'm also going to assume Rocket Bunny are gone too. Licensing is forever a bitch.

 

[EngieDiesel]

So issues trying to wrangle up the rights to Stellantis brands then?

Probably. I imagine dealing with a company that's managing... what is it now, 10 marques? In any case, a company that monolithic has to be a huge pain to coordinate with, even with the toothiest of legal pirahnas on your side.

Of course if you want to fancy a conspiracy theory, it is possible another game company got some exclusivity deals that are causing the issues. It can't be ruled out entirely, after all.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Yeah I'm just going to go ahead an assume they're not in Day One, especially if they aren't here now.

I don't know if you can look in the customization/upgrade files of cars yet but I'm also going to assume Rocket Bunny are gone too. Licensing is forever a bitch.

Files for customisation have generic names (e.g. bumperf_a, bumperf_race), so they can’t be checked from that alone.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Probably. I imagine dealing with a company that's managing... what is it now, 10 marques? In any case, a company that monolithic has to be a huge pain to coordinate with, even with the toothiest of legal pirahnas on your side.

I don't doubt that, and I also realize that car licensing is something, through PG's own admission, goes through development and usually is lead right up to the end. However, considering that the Stellantis deal was consummated in January, you don't think that PG or T10, whoever does licensing for Forza overall, would have been more pro-active in getting it done?

Of course if you want to fancy a conspiracy theory, it is possible another game company got some exclusivity deals that are causing the issues. It can't be ruled out entirely, after all.

I seriously doubt that is the case. It was pretty clear from the jump that Polyphony had temporary exclusive rights to Toyota considering everyone, from NFS to Forza, was suddenly dropping a company that for the most part, didn't care where their cars were, just that they were there. It's pretty clear the Stellantis merger is the main culprit - but I don't think PG/T10 is entirely innocent or blameless in this case.

 

[willbsn13]

I just think it's really weird to showcase the Lancia Stratos in a sound comparison video on the official YouTube channel if there was some inkling of licensing going south. Surely by that point PG/T10 & MS would know that maybe Stellantis were going to be an issue with regards to Lancia, Alfa, Fiat and Abarth. So then why risk it and show off a Stratos and have the Creative Director call it out by name? Just use another car in that case. Instead PG risked it and now we end up in a situation like we are in now, where people just assume these brands are going to be in.

Unless Stellantis have pulled out last minute, which could make a little more sense of the situation. But still very odd what has transpired here.

 

[Stang616]

I just think it's really weird to showcase the Lancia Stratos in a sound comparison video on the official YouTube channel if there was some inkling of licensing going south. Surely by that point PG/T10 & MS would know that maybe Stellantis were going to be an issue with regards to Lancia, Alfa, Fiat and Abarth. So then why risk it and show off a Stratos and have the Creative Director call it out by name? Just use another car in that case, rather than risk it and end up in a situation like we are in now, where we just assume these brands are going to be in.

Unless Stellantis have pulled out last minute, which could make a little more sense of the situation. But still very odd what has transpired here.

I would think that if Stellantis pulled out we would have lost all of their brands. Similar to how we lost Toyota and Lexus.
It is possible that there are still files missing for a day one patch. I'd be curious to know how many car files are in the pre-download compared to how many we have confirmed to be in the game.

 

[warp9engage]

I would think that if Stellantis pulled out we would have lost all of their brands.

Exactly. We still have Jeep, Dodge, Ram, Maserati and Vauxhall, for example, all of which are Stellantis brands. If there is a licensing issue, it's with FCA Italy, whose brands are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia (well, well).

Nothing that jumps out to me, but of course reading 500+ similar lines makes things blend in a bit.

What about that Huracan Evo (or not?) mystery car? Nothing on that or any new discoveries, for that matter?

 

[willbsn13]

Exactly. We still have Jeep, Dodge, Ram, Maserati and Vauxhall, for example, all of which are Stellantis brands. If there is a licensing issue, it's with FCA Italy, whose brands are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia (well, well).

What about that Huracan Evo (or not?) mystery car? Nothing on that or any new discoveries, for that matter?

I thought the Huracan Evo was debunked to just be the new Duke Dynamics Body Kit available for the 2014 Huracan.

 

[warp9engage]

I thought the Huracan Evo was debunked to just be the new Duke Dynamics Body Kit available for the 2014 Huracan.

As far as I know, it wasn't. Watch this video (from 11:20) where the normal Huracan is customized. You will see him applying both the Liberty Walk and the Duke Dynamics kits to the car. They do not match that front end from the green car.

 

[sirjim73]

115.92gb on XOneX. About 1gb more than for the XOneS

 

[EngieDiesel]

I seriously doubt that is the case. It was pretty clear from the jump that Polyphony had temporary exclusive rights to Toyota considering everyone, from NFS to Forza, was suddenly dropping a company that for the most part, didn't care where their cars were, just that they were there. It's pretty clear the Stellantis merger is the main culprit - but I don't think PG/T10 is entirely innocent or blameless in this case.

Oh, I doubt it was that as well. If it were marques that were widely appealing to the general audience like BMW or Ferrari then I would consider it more, but as it is Alfa is probably the only missing name that would be trending with Joe Average Gamer in the last couple years. I just felt like stirring the pot a bit, and to be honest stranger things have happened.

Exactly. We still have Jeep, Dodge, Ram, Maserati and Vauxhall, for example, all of which are Stellantis brands. If there is a licensing issue, it's with FCA Italy, whose brands are Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Fiat and Lancia (well, well).

This is a very good point. Stellantis is so large it no doubt has seperate legal and marketing divisions for each of the different regions it operates in now, and each would have to be dealt with individually. Some likely have very different priorities depending on where they stand in the parent organization's hierarchy as well.