Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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Beezer215
It was Phil Spenser.
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All I've been able to find from him on Forza Motorsport since the last update is the below translation from Famitsu, which I was already aware of:

As for Forza Motorsport, we sometimes have to shift our focus to games that will be released earlier. And I also understand that many people reacted when the scale of Turn 10 Studios was reduced. As far as we are concerned, there are many games that we would like to support carefully, and sometimes we give the development team a little more time so that they do not continue to be in a state of tension.
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Nothing there says that the game isn't done or is just on hold, just that they've shifted focus away from it as there are many games they want to support in order to give their developers more time. I feel like if he was planning to allocate resources back to Motorsport at some point he'd have said so, instead of a non-answer about focusing elsewhere.

He was actually asked about the future of both Halo and FM in the same question, and there's an especially sharp contrast to the previous half of his answer, which was regarding Halo:

Halo Studios (formerly 343 Industries) is planning ahead to make a new effort. We are focused on Unreal Engine 5 and are also focusing on new technologies. We have established a system that allows us to take the time we need to make the necessary time, make appropriate investments as a "Halo" franchise, and make good things as new works in the next "Halo" series.
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That's very much an explicit answer of 'yes we are definitely working on Halo and planning to bring out something new'. I don't see why he'd then dodge any sort of commitment to Forza Motorsport in the same answer if they were intending to continue development on that too.

Have I missed another interview?
 
Beezer215
It's also not a wild theory when someone from the company, rather high up, tells you that the game isn't done and it's being put on temporary hold in which they will come back to, that they may actually do just that. Turn 10 have more employees than Reiza and Kunos put together. Reiza have my #1 and Kunos have my #2. 🤷‍♀️
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I suspect we would get FM9 next, and no more updates to the current one.
 
No one is buying a Forza Motorsport 9, which a 9 wouldn't even exist because there isn't even an 8. It would be Forza Motorsport 2.
And that makes no sense. It would be dead on arrival.
The only way out is to continue working on the one they said they were going to use as the new platform to build off of. To continually update. Hence why they dropped the numbers and went with the original name again. Forza Motorsport.
Weren't we all here for the videos and interviews before this game came out?
No one knows if they'll continue to work on FM or not but one thing we do know, you can't just skip this one and get away with it. You either make it right or it's done forever. Those are your only choices. Does anyone really think you start THAT process all over again and try and sell yet another game? That's wild. For those of us that paid attention to all these videos and had to hear that one certain "phrase" over and over again, you will have lost us.
But hey, do whatever I guess. Not a penny from me ever again.
Make your game. 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️ Ahrrrrrrr matey, make your little game.
 
Beezer215
No one is buying a Forza Motorsport 9, which a 9 wouldn't even exist because there isn't even an 8. It would be Forza Motorsport 2.
And that makes no sense. It would be dead on arrival.
The only way out is to continue working on the one they said they were going to use as the new platform to build off of. To continually update. Hence why they dropped the numbers and went with the original name again. Forza Motorsport.
Weren't we all here for the videos and interviews before this game came out?
No one knows if they'll continue to work on FM or not but one thing we do know, you can't just skip this one and get away with it. You either make it right or it's done forever. Those are your only choices. Does anyone really think you start THAT process all over again and try and sell yet another game? That's wild. For those of us that paid attention to all these videos and had to hear that one certain "phrase" over and over again, you will have lost us.
But hey, do whatever I guess. Not a penny from me ever again.
Make your game. 🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️ Ahrrrrrrr matey, make your little game.
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FM9 will be day one for me. I enjoyed the current one. Your loss if you leave the FM club. I will be here.
 
Bogie 19th
FM9 will be day one for me.
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I think a potential Forza Motorsport 9 would be the only solution for if FM2023 cannot be salvaged any further given Turn Ten's layoffs.

They could try again after the completion of FH6's PS5 version, assuming they've hired enough people along the way to make up for their reduced workforce, but they're really going to have to look back at some of the best titles (FM4 in particular) and also FH6 as a whole to ensure the game is fun, has a lot of variety and content, with no more FOMO, no more always-online requirements, and nothing bare-bones from launch.

But I think moving forward, a potential Forza Motorsport 9 would also be a PS5 game in addition to Xbox and PC (including Steam), as it was already the case with FH5 and FH6, although with FM2023 unlikely to get a PS5 version.
 
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GBalao888
I think a potential Forza Motorsport 9 would be the only solution for if FM2023 cannot be salvaged any further given Turn Ten's layoffs.

They could try again after the completion of FH6's PS5 version, assuming they've hired enough people along the way to make up for their reduced workforce, but they're really going to have to look back at some of the best titles (FM4 in particular) and also FH6 as a whole to ensure the game is fun, has a lot of variety and content, with no more FOMO, no more always-online requirements, and nothing bare-bones from launch.

But I think moving forward, a potential Forza Motorsport 9 would also be a PS5 game in addition to Xbox and PC (including Steam), as it was already the case with FH5 and FH6, although with FM2023 unlikely to get a PS5 version.
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I don’t think the PS5 will be made for FM. It won’t sell on the PS5 because of GT. FH works on PS5 because SIE doesn’t have a competing game.
 
Bogie 19th
I don’t think the PS5 will be made for FM. It won’t sell on the PS5 because of GT. FH works on PS5 because SIE doesn’t have a competing game.
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As a third party they shouldn't care about that, it's just another multiplatform game, FH is competing with NFS, Crew and Test Drive, Gt is competing with assetto, pmr, rennsport, etc. No reason why FM can't be added to the pile. Back on PS2 and 3 generations we had dozens of games competing both arcade and sims. A good game can always carve out a niche for itself.
 
SimTourist
As a third party they shouldn't care about that, it's just another multiplatform game, FH is competing with NFS, Crew and Test Drive, Gt is competing with assetto, pmr, rennsport, etc. No reason why FM can't be added to the pile. Back on PS2 and 3 generations we had dozens of games competing both arcade and sims. A good game can always carve out a niche for itself.
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More competition isn't always a bad thing after all. Even if it means, like with the current direction of the Xbox brand where their flagship titles are also on PlayStation. Surreal times we're living in, but this is the reality now.

Gran Turismo seriously needs a proper rival now that I'm hearing Rennsport and Project Arcade... I'm sorry, Project Motor Racing isn't doing to well.

However I think, like I said, if FM2023 cannot be salvaged any further, Turn Ten needs to go on a hiring spree to recover their lost workforce and make a new Motorsport, likely Forza Motorsport 9.

Turn Ten will need to learn from the mistakes of FM2023 to ensure they can earn the trust of longtime fans back, and potentially make it the Motorsport we all truly want and deserve, like FM4.
 
GBalao888
Turn Ten will need to learn from the mistakes of FM2023 to ensure they can earn the trust of longtime fans back, and potentially make it the Motorsport we all truly want and deserve, like FM4.
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Have the presentation/progression of FM4, the home spaces of 4 through 6, the photo mode of FH5 and everything else of FM (sans drift) and that would be the ideal. But I think the best approach would be a small and focused team working on FM as the base. Think what Reiza has done for AM2 from the Project Cars engine.
 
GBalao888
More competition isn't always a bad thing after all. Even if it means, like with the current direction of the Xbox brand where their flagship titles are also on PlayStation. Surreal times we're living in, but this is the reality now.

Gran Turismo seriously needs a proper rival now that I'm hearing Rennsport and Project Arcade... I'm sorry, Project Motor Racing isn't doing to well.

However I think, like I said, if FM2023 cannot be salvaged any further, Turn Ten needs to go on a hiring spree to recover their lost workforce and make a new Motorsport, likely Forza Motorsport 9.

Turn Ten will need to learn from the mistakes of FM2023 to ensure they can earn the trust of longtime fans back, and potentially make it the Motorsport we all truly want and deserve, like FM4.
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Maybe we'll see a FM game again in 10-15 years, certainly not in any immediate future. They've always been in a weird spot, never high budget enough to hang with GT and never hardcore enough to hang with PC sims.
 
Beezer215
It's also not a wild theory when someone from the company, rather high up, tells you that the game isn't done and it's being put on temporary hold in which they will come back to, that they may actually do just that. Turn 10 have more employees than Reiza and Kunos put together. Reiza have my #1 and Kunos have my #2. 🤷‍♀️
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I think he meant the franchise, and not the game.
 
GBalao888
and Project Arcade... I'm sorry, Project Motor Racing isn't doing to well.
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I don't think of arcade racers when I have to do a whole warm-up lap of the Nordschleife for a time trial in PMR or I go off yet again because I'm not allowed to switch on TC in a RWD car that doesn't like being in 3rd gear and then have overheated tyres. :banghead: Makes me appreciate FMs 'skip lap' feature even more!
 
RetroVelocity
It’s sad that “Arcade” has become an epithet used by sim racers to look down upon any racing game that isn’t so realistic you literally ****ing die in real life every time you crash
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The elitist attitude of these dudes is honestly hilarious, "iRacing is not a game, it's a sim", yeah whatever dude, you're still playing around with your plastic wheel and it's still closer to mariokart than to real driving. Pushing a shopping cart around walmart is closer to driving an F1 car than any of these games, relax and enjoy your hobby.
 
RetroVelocity
Exactly
FM8 is a perfectly good racing game, even if the physics aren’t the best
I don’t have a wheel, so unless the pad support is really good I don’t tend to play sims all that much, but simcades are perfectly capable of providing a reasonably realistic racing experience
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Without meaning to offend - what do you mean by your first sentence (like - what is lacking?), and how can you judge without a decent wheel?

I find the term "simcade" to be snobby BS, mostly. It's lacking features sure, but the as for the physics themselves and the feel of the cars doing what they are supposed to do on a track? What exactly is lacking?
 
You know, as a relatively recent player of GT7, the more I play it, the more I realize how close FM/GT are on track, so much that the controller settings modifications I did for the DualSense controller to make it respond more like Forza work great for me, AND the driving approach I take in GT works back when applied to FM.

In general terms I will say this: If you take the game as a whole package, GT is better, and that includes things that have nothing to do with the driving itself, such as the Scapes photomode, the museums where you can learn about the history of the cars/brands, and the detailing in general, and even many of its unique idiosyncrasies, and others, like the haptic feedback, that would be welcome additions to FM or FH.
That being said, Forza Motorsport may be the technically superior game (in a technically superior platform) with untapped potential to grow, but it seriously needs a cohesive direction.

In the end, I'm loving them both.
 
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Nacho Libre
You know, as a relatively recent player of GT7, the more I play it, the more I realize how close FM/GT are on track, so much that the controller settings modifications I did for the DualSense controller to make it respond more like Forza work great for me, AND the driving approach I take in GT works back when applied to FM.

In general terms I will say this: If you take the game as a whole package, GT is better, and that includes things that have nothing to do with the driving itself, such as the Scapes photomode, the museums where you can learn about the history of the cars/brands, and the detailing in general, and even many of its unique idiosyncrasies, and others, like the haptic feedback, that would be welcome additions to FM or FH.
That being said, Forza Motorsport may be the technically superior game (in a technically superior platform) with untapped potential to grow, but it seriously needs a cohesive direction.

In the end, I'm loving them both.
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I haven't played GT 7 , but from what I've read, it seems both are also close in their stubbornness to give their fans the single-player career mode they want. I.e, Choose your first car and have tons of events to work thru, with some freedom. Are they just cynically trying to nudge those players towards multiplayer?

I thought about picking up a PS5 and GT7 when Sophy 2.0 was announced, but after seeing there was no Sophy on Willow Springs and the car list had lost a lot of my favourites from GT6, either the racing model or livery. I decided against it. I'm tempted again by the price of a PS5 and the new update and DLC. But I'm gonna wait to see what people say first.


And what do you mean by "Forza Motorsport may be the technically superior game." ?
 
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AttackDickie
"Forza Motorsport may be the technically superior game."
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Because the new Forza engine matches GT in the physics area, the stock AI is superior (for now, at least), it can handle variable weather in all tracks/times of day, the rain visual effects are way better, and it has RT on track, from basic car reflections up to global illumination in PC, at least on stronger graphics cards.

GT is stronger in car models, track details like rubber marbles, sky boxes, reflections on cars and paint textures and haptics. And it's clearly ahead on the sound department and I don't only mean the car sounds, but their audio 3D solution blows Windows Sonic.

The single player in GT is basically like here, go drive, collect these cars, complete these menus and unlock others, raise your collector's level to unlock other things, etc. but at no point I felt compelled to go multiplayer.
 
Nacho Libre
Because the new Forza engine matches GT in the physics area, the stock AI is superior (for now, at least), it can handle variable weather in all tracks/times of day, the rain visual effects are way better, and it has RT on track, from basic car reflections up to global illumination in PC, at least on stronger graphics cards.

GT is stronger in car models, track details like rubber marbles, sky boxes, reflections on cars and paint textures and haptics. And it's clearly ahead on the sound department and I don't only mean the car sounds, but their audio 3D solution blows Windows Sonic.

The single player in GT is basically like here, go drive, collect these cars, complete these menus and unlock others, raise your collector's level to unlock other things, etc. but at no point I felt compelled to go multiplayer.
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If you compare two tracks such as Spa/Nur GT7 weather system is way better than FM… FM has a basic rain system vs GT7 imo.. In GT7 it can rain in different places all around the track at different times. While In FM the whole track is completely wet or dry. Also the way the cars drive in the rain in GT7 vs FM is night and day.
 
JDMKING13
If you compare two tracks such as Spa/Nur GT7 weather system is way better than FM… FM has a basic rain system vs GT7 imo.. In GT7 it can rain in different places all around the track at different times. While In FM the whole track is completely wet or dry. Also the way the cars drive in the rain in GT7 vs FM is night and day.
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I only said that the rain visual effects were better, check my quote.
 
JDMKING13
If you compare two tracks such as Spa/Nur GT7 weather system is way better than FM… FM has a basic rain system vs GT7 imo.. In GT7 it can rain in different places all around the track at different times. While In FM the whole track is completely wet or dry. Also the way the cars drive in the rain in GT7 vs FM is night and day.
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The way the cars drive in the rain in FM is a lot more believable and closer to real life than in GT7. I'm sorry but you can't just continue to drive balls out when it starts raining on slicks and be safe. That's actually the MOST dangerous time to be out, when it starts raining. And then all the sudden in GT7 you get enough rain and it's just worse than frozen black ice. That's just wild.
FM gives you that ability to drive the car, and on the edge, a slip angle in which you can still push the car but every slide isn't a spin out. Really nicely done actually and very close in line to actual sims. In real life, if you've ever pushed a car either on track or even on a main road, you'll find that there's more understeer straight push than anything.
Why does GT7 also only have weather and time of day on a handful of tracks too? Did they even add that to all of them? That's weird. I'll personally take the weather sequences available on all tracks in game than only a few. Let's face it, when it rains, it usually rains on the whole track. Places like Nords are an exception due to the sheer size.
 
AttackDickie
I really like these Ginetta Jnr races, no silly liveries...

Passes a car sponsored by Tampax 😒😄
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I prefer the plain white Porsche... something... I saw ages ago that was basically a white car with plain black text ranting about how Forza Motorsports was trash.

That was a proper art car.
 

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