Fuji, Japanese Grand Prix 2007

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British flag, british driver and a british team in your avater:rolleyes:
 
Not to mention the usertitle, and the last twenty-odd posts here.

Verdict: Fanboy.
 
I think he's Lewis' father.
 
Roo
Amateur footage of the Webber/Vettel incident:

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As I said...

daan
I think that Hamilton was being a bit stupid at the restarts from the safety car. Admittedly, he's got to try and break free, but accelerating and braking like he was doing was a bit daft when the people behind can't see if the car in front is braking or not. It was inevitable that someone was going to run into someone else.
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Hamilton went wide and slowed down. Webber had to slow down to avoid overtaking. Vettel didn't realise they were slowing as he couldn't see.
 
Dear Spike.

Apart from those previous posts (I think it's clear you ARE a fanboy), I would accuse Hamilton of being a hypocrit, for sulking to his daddy that Alonso took his pole in Hungary, causing him to tell the FIA, his team to loose all the points of that race, his teammate to move five positions back... Just for a issue INSIDE his team! He and his father did more against the team than Alonso in a few months. Did anybody call him a stinky rat? Nope. Unfortunately.

And about the way I said that... I have enough work having to learn YOUR language to talk to the rest of the world to even care about whatever hidden messages my words might have in your eyes. Don't be so elitist. Thanks.
 
Guys I really see no reason for calling Spike a fanboy. It's happened in every sport, in the whole history of sport. I bet in NFL, if your a Patriots fan, you were crying when they won the superbowl, or if your a Chicago Bulls fan, you ripped your hair out when you lost Jordan. Over the pond I bet all Chelsea supporters mocked every single team in the Premiership when they took the title..

Simple matter is, Spike likes Hamilton just like I support Button or Heidfeld. However he chooses to express this support in a different way to what many people and this is no reason to start finding faults in the guy..

I could easially call all of you Anti-Hamilton fanboys but hey, I'd get my head bitten off too.. :rolleyes:

Metar
Not to mention the usertitle, and the last twenty-odd posts here.

Verdict: Fanboy.
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Hmmmm.. 💡

Super Aguri avatar + Sato always in your Top 8 when you just know it's not gonna happen..

Verdict: Fanboy?

Danny loves Liuzzi and yet he's never called a fanboy, Alex support Spyker like there's no tomorrow, again no fanboyism there eh? Look I'm sticking up for Spike not because he's my countrymen (As Appie just pointed out on MSN), but I'm sticking up for him because you guys are restricting his opinion.
 
Bee
I could easially call all of you Anti-Hamilton fanboys but hey, I'd get my head bitten off too.. :rolleyes:
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I've been considering myself Anti-Hamilton (to a light degree) after what happened in Hungary, those things are inherent to the human nature. But hey, in presence of people which opinions differ from mine, I try to be respectful and avoid arguing.

Being a fan is good. Getting into trouble isn't, even if it's just in a forum where everything is easier. You won't get punched in the face.
 
Bee
Look I'm sticking up for Spike not because he's my countrymen (As Appie just pointed out on MSN), but I'm sticking up for him because you guys are restricting his opinion.
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I think you're a Spike-fanboy. 💡


;)
 
So leaving the fanboy argument behind, cause its really quite immature.

Vettel wrecks Webber, Webber accuses Hamilton, Hamilton now under investigation.

It's like a freakin open season on McLaren. How many times have we seen Micheal 'bow to me cause i'm the so called greatest' Schumacher screw around behind the safety cars.

Rediculous
 
Sting
It's like a freakin open season on McLaren. How many times have we seen Micheal 'bow to me cause i'm the so called greatest' Schumacher screw around behind the safety cars.
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Personally I don't remember a single incident where Michael had done anything suspectible behind the safety car, I think you are just saying that because Michael was the big bad wolf who supposedly always cheated.

Even at the first safetycar start, Hamilton did a stunt where Alonso would've run to the back of him had he not been off line. Even Martin Brundle on the ITV broadcast called it stupid while James Allen called it "gamesmanship".

Personally I think Hamilton should be given some kind of penalty, he has been overly aggressive on the starts in the past and maybe they should give him a cold shower with a grid spot penalty.
 
Well said Bee. + rep for clearing it out (or so i think it is)
Look, i know how some of you support your favorite driver and all, even having them in your avatar. But don't try and "take it out" all here. I mean there is MSN and AIM for that. Just leave the forum alone. I mean were just here to discuss a race, not to argue on what is fair or whatnot. I think all of you are a "fanboy" if you keep saying stupid stuff like this......

As for that crash, wow! I can't blame Vettel for not seeing. I mean the weather is bad and the spray from Webber's car didn't help either. But really, what is Hamilton doing? Is he trying to overtake the safety car?
 
Tbh, I can actually see where Webber is coming from. Lewis slowed down far too much and that is what caused Webber to break so hard without Vettel having any warning.
 
mipuumal
Personally I don't remember a single incident where Michael had done anything suspectible behind the safety car,
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Monaco 2004. Braked hard in the tunnel, locked up the front tires. Montoya had no where to go and went to the right for a gap, Schmi comes across and bang.
 



If Montoya and Button in the dry can be excused, I'm sure Vettel will be extended the same courtesy.
 
Roo
If Montoya and Button in the dry can be excused, I'm sure Vettel will be extended the same courtesy.
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Isn't it worse in the wet, especially with the low visibility they had at Japan?

Hamilton said during the interview that he was worried that someone would crash into him. So why brake so hard?
 
Sting
Monaco 2004. Braked hard in the tunnel, locked up the front tires. Montoya had no where to go and went to the right for a gap, Schmi comes across and bang.
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Right, forgot about that one. But he wasn't trying to get any advantage obviously since the safety car was still on the track as it was with Hamilton during the second safety car phase, but I guess the difference is that Michael ruined his and Montoya's race while Hamilton ruined Webber's and Vettel's for some reason.

Personally I think his manouver during the first safety car start was worse than what happened in the second one.

Also, I am by no means a Michael "fanboy" :), he was our big rival for quite some time, but I do still respect him and because of that I'm not willing to judge what he may or may not have done without any real evidence.
 
Well, Alonso has (as expected) had his say and has stuck the boot in by saying he backs the stewards

Fernando Alonso has backed Formula 1's investigation into World Championship rival Lewis Hamilton.

Hamilton took a huge step towards winning Alonso's world title with victory at the Japanese Grand Prix on Sunday.

But the 12-point gap he holds over his McLaren team-mate now looks in serious danger after race stewards launched a probe into his driving behind the safety car on lap 45.

Red Bull's Mark Webber and Toro Rosso's Sebastian Vettel have stated the Brit was driving dangerously before they crashed.

Relations between reigning world champion Alonso and his rookie team-mate Hamilton have been strained throughout the year, and the Spaniard has now sparked even more controversy.

Low blow

Hamilton has been accused of breaking and accelerating recklessly in the final section of the Fuji Speedway, and Alsonso has joined the criticism of his team-mate.

"I also overtook Lewis two or three times, so it seems that we all agree," Alonso said.

"It's difficult to know what the car in front of you needs to do.

"I didn't see the race on TV but, hearing the comments of the drivers, they seemed to overtake the car in front a couple of times and had to make some unnecessary manoeuvres to avoid the cars in front."

After his retirement in Japan things had looked bleak for Alonso, but should Hamilton be docked 10 points or pushed back to 10th for the Chinese Grand Prix the Spaniard's hopes of retaining his crown will dramatically increase.
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<_Spike_>
Well, Alonso has (as expected) had his say and has stuck the boot in by saying he backs the stewards
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That was expected - after all, if he hadn't been what triggered that second phase, he'd be the one in risk behind Lewis.


But I found this funny:

race stewards launched a probe into his driving
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ROAD_DOGG33J
Isn't it worse in the wet, especially with the low visibility they had at China?
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You mean Japan? and yes, most definitely.

Hamilton said during the interview that he was worried that someone would crash into him. So why brake so hard?
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If you watch the replay it appears Hamilton momentarily lost sight of the safety car in the chicane due to the weather conditions, and as he said, he wisely moved to the right when he slowed down to avoid getting hit from behind.

I'm really not understanding what all the controversy is about. It was fairly clear this was just a racing incident brought on by very poor conditions. I suppose if Webber and Vettel were not so closely bunched together and had they been in staggered formation, the accident may have been easily avoidable. :indiff:
 
We know Racecar, that's what we're discussing. Hmmm...having re-watched the footage I am starting to see that the investigation is maybe a little much...I don't know. Hard to tell really...on one hand you've got drivers accusing him of being reckless under the safety car with Webber pointing the finger for his exit on Lewis...on the other you've got him simply avoiding the safety car himself...
 
But he hadn't been in the position to do that had he kept a more sensible and average speed behind it...


I don't know. He doesn't seem that dangerous in this specific case, but he was very dangerous throughout the rest of the safety-car periods.
 
Digital-Nitrate
You mean Japan? and yes, most definitely.

If you watch the replay it appears Hamilton momentarily lost sight of the safety car in the chicane due to the weather conditions, and as he said, he wisely moved to the right when he slowed down to avoid getting hit from behind.
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Oh yeah...Japan


Digital-Nitrate
I'm really not understanding what all the controversy is about. It was fairly clear this was just a racing incident brought on by very poor conditions. I suppose if Webber and Vettel were not so closely bunched together and had they been in staggered formation, the accident may have been easily avoidable. :indiff:
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I guess I can't really judge it without seeing what Hamilton saw, but I think he was overly aggressive on his braking, especially for the conditions. During the first safety car period, I thought he was just trying to piss off Alonso.
 
Is he being investigated just for the Webber/Vettel crash?

I think he made it more dangerous when the saftey car was first out, backing up the pack.
That must be more dangerous than a standing start.
 
<_Spike_>
We know Racecar, that's what we're discussing.
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I was just posting the lastest bit. I noticed the piece I posted, There was slight change to the story. As for Fernado's support, I'm not surprised seeing as he still demands the royal treatment and doesn't like the fact that he's two races away from having his championship taken away by a rookie.
 
Yeah, I'll admit his actions were certainly slightly iffy to say the least. But there is this... the max the cars have to be apart is 5 car lengths so on the flip side you could say "Well why get so damn close, especially in the rain? Use the 5 car length rule more in corners"
 
Q: (Ann Giuntini - L&#8217;Equipe) To Mark and Sebastian: without any desire to get into politics, would you say that Hamilton&#8217;s manoeuvres in the last race were not very far from being unfair or not under the agreement you generally have?

SV: In the end it was my fault for crashing into Mark&#8217;s car, so I&#8217;m not here to blame anybody but I think it&#8217;s clear that the rhythm was not there. In the end we are all sitting in the same boat. It&#8217;s raining, there is a safety car for a long time and it&#8217;s quite complicated to keep the temperatures in the brakes and avoid glazing them. But at that point I was just distracted, you could say. I was looking to the right and I was sure he (Hamilton) was retiring, there was no power anymore and yeah, all I can say is that by the time I looked back I was already in Mark&#8217;s rear end so&#8230; It&#8217;s not to blame anybody but for sure the reason was the rhythm was not there.

MW: I think he did a **** job behind the safety car. He did a **** job and that&#8217;s it. He spoke in the drivers&#8217; briefing about how good a job he was going to do and then he did the job the opposite way, so we know for next time, it&#8217;s no problem.

From the thursday press conference.
 
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