Gene Haas' new American F1 team

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haitch40
We never got alerts on the old system so why does it matter? It is the post under the one he replied to and he isn't the only member to do it.
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Why does it need a response from you? Did anyone bring up the old system vs new system? Even still quoting his post would have also helped and given an alert in the old and current system. Tagging is new so...

Also no one said he was the only member to do it, though he tends to do it the most from my experience and it's actually nice if he would more often. I only know he does it a ton because I usually quote him or vice versa but one of us gets the alert :sly:

Dragonwhisky
Click that article link. I know how some of you boys are.
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For the same reason PM just stated if you actually know F1 which to be honest (I don't know if you do form limited responses in these threads). Okay then, in other words you really don't know where you got the numbers from. You are basically running off the theory that Haas F1 and everyone currently in runs off the same budget as Ferrari are speculated to incur last year. If that was the case, then Marussia would have got points much sooner. STR would probably have more comparable running to RBR in "theory" as well (they wont be cause the mother team dictates).

PM already pointed out what I would have if he didn't in an earlier post too. You neglect the budget of Caterham, Marussia, Lotus, Sauber, FI and the now gone HRT.

And then there is the fact that you neglect that he has partnered with someone shown the FIA that he has the ability to run a team in F1 hence why they let him in. And he's run the numbers with his finance guys to make sure it's possible. So it's safe to say he's off to a better start than you would give him credit for.
 
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I would like to see Haas be successful in F1. It matters not whether the numbers in that article I read and posted here are accurate. I'd love to see cars on the track that don't have stickers all over them and owe their creation to the names those stickers bear. Haas will not be successful all by his lonesome. I'm sure he's smart and has the resources to run the numbers and make the partnerships he will need, long before he puts a car on the grid. Will it matter to me if he manages to make the grid? No. Will it make much difference in my life if Haas is successful in F1. No.

I like watching F1, I'd like to watch some Americans be successful running the series. I am not rabidly fanatical about it, like some others appear to be. I, in the words of a certain character in a hugely popular TV series, "don't give a dusty 🤬" about all the synthetic drama F1 seems to generate and a couple of people on these forums, and others, perpetuate. I don't need to know every little detail about something to enjoy it. I certainly will not be chasing information all over the internet to satisfy you hard core fanatics. I thought the article was interesting and posted it up here for others to gander at.

The bottom line is the folks with the money will control the sport, like they manage to do in every sport that makes money. That has good points and bad and neither matter. It is the way it is.

Something just for you LMS, and no I'm not tagging you, you'll come along eventually and read for yourself, take care what you infer from what I did or did not imply. I never gave Haas credit nor implied anything detrimental about his efforts to join F1. I'll be happy when he makes the grid and happier yet if he manages to actually put a car there that can win. I would love for his F1 entry to dominate every other team on the grid, if for no other reason than to shake up the status quo, get Ferrari off their asses and give Kimi a car that's worth a damn. I would love it even more if Kimi dumped Ferrari to drive for Haas. He could dump Ferrari for Caterham and I'd be happy. Well, maybe not really, since even Kimi wouldn't be able to get that car on the podium.

At any rate, I'll sit back again now and watch you experts discuss all these really important topics.
 
Dragonwhisky
get Ferrari off their asses and give Kimi a car that's worth a damn.
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Alonso seems to be doing just fine with it. So maybe the problem isn't in Ferrari giving Räikkönen a bad car, but rather Räikkönen giving Ferrari bad performances. Look at the bone-headed move he pulled on Kevin Magnussen and his clashes with Max Chilton in Monaco.
 
Dragonwhisky
I would like to see Haas be successful in F1. It matters not whether the numbers in that article I read and posted here are accurate. I'd love to see cars on the track that don't have stickers all over them and owe their creation to the names those stickers bear. Haas will not be successful all by his lonesome. I'm sure he's smart and has the resources to run the numbers and make the partnerships he will need, long before he puts a car on the grid. Will it matter to me if he manages to make the grid? No. Will it make much difference in my life if Haas is successful in F1. No.
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Pretty sure no one questioned your personal investment in Haas F1 or not in it, nor does anyone care to be honest. It's just us asking you where you got the numbers from and then pointing out why those numbers aren't true.

I like watching F1, I'd like to watch some Americans be successful running the series. I am not rabidly fanatical about it, like some others appear to be. I, in the words of a certain character in a hugely popular TV series, "don't give a dusty 🤬" about all the synthetic drama F1 seems to generate and a couple of people on these forums, and others, perpetuate. I don't need to know every little detail about something to enjoy it. I certainly will not be chasing information all over the internet to satisfy you hard core fanatics. I thought the article was interesting and posted it up here for others to gander at.
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It would help a bit if you did, rather than a random blip and posting what you see without really knowing how reliable it is. It'd be like the trite CNN does on F1 that is usually wrong and mistaken with Indy car racing. Or some of the technical stuff that doesn't sound remotely related to how a car functions. Also if you're going to talk on the subject but do it half aware and can't be bothered to back up your info then why bother? Also why take it so personally (though ironically you say you couldn't care less?

The bottom line is the folks with the money will control the sport, like they manage to do in every sport that makes money. That has good points and bad and neither matter. It is the way it is.
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Sure...

Something just for you LMS, and no I'm not tagging you, you'll come along eventually and read for yourself, take care what you infer from what I did or did not imply. I never gave Haas credit nor implied anything detrimental about his efforts to join F1. I'll be happy when he makes the grid and happier yet if he manages to actually put a car there that can win. I would love for his F1 entry to dominate every other team on the grid, if for no other reason than to shake up the status quo, get Ferrari off their asses and give Kimi a car that's worth a damn. I would love it even more if Kimi dumped Ferrari to drive for Haas. He could dump Ferrari for Caterham and I'd be happy. Well, maybe not really, since even Kimi wouldn't be able to get that car on the podium.
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No you just directly quoted an article and went along with the idea that that amount of money is needed to be succesful though prior teams have done it on that budget and failed to even be a top three team. Such as Toyota, Honda, and Mercedes 2010-2012. As it is now Kimi can't get the Ferrari on podium with your implied yet skewed view that he's some miracle racer as long as he isn't in a Caterham or lesser?

At any rate, I'll sit back again now and watch you experts discuss all these really important topics.
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Ah and thus a patronizing end because you can't be bothered to contribute like a normal person. Oh well, no real loss here.
 
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Reports out of Romania claim that Forza Rossa's name will not be Forza Rossa, and that it is just a placeholder name until the entry is approved.
 
Dragonwhisky
I'm sure Haas will be much concerned about fielding an enterprise that will cost between $250,000,000 and $500,000,000. Without help, there is no way Haas can absorb that kind of expenditure. This article was interesting to read.
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I doubt it, I think he has a better grasp of the number than you or those authors. Ferrari's budget is legendary, remember that they're the only car company for whom F1 is a primary focus. Their car business is secondary.

Also, given Haas's comments this weekend that they may not enter until customer cars are available (if they ever are) then it really does sound like he's got that number-grasp :D
 
Yeah that would be the WORST driver to sign for your new F1 team. Just sign drivers who will actually do well in your car...can't screw around with a fledgling team.

But hey, we have until 2016 to speculate...there's room for outrageous proposals from the press.
 
Furinkazen
That would actually be one of the worst decisions. Danica has never been special in open wheelers, and NASCAR has been pretty poor. Stewart isn't F1 material.
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Stewart could of been 20 years ago if he had gone that route but it's way too late and he's way too heavy.
Also, note that he doesn't say she'd be able to drive well. He says she'd bring in viewership. That's all you need to know there.
 
In the NBC's pre-race coverage (mighta been the pre-qual show) Diffey did an interview with Haas. Haas didn't come right out and bluntly say it but I'm fairly certain, when asked if Danica would be considered for an F1 seat, at the end of his comments about it was a "long shot" and I pray I remembered correctly. I mostly remember, when Diffey asked him, thinking, "please, no, don't say she's getting a seat", and then breathed a sigh of relief when I heard him say not likely. I hope he stays with that.
 
Danica wouldn't bring in viewership at all. Who would tune in to watch when she would get no coverage aside from getting lapped/retiring from the races.
 
GTPorsche
Danica wouldn't bring in viewership at all. Who would tune in to watch when she would get no coverage aside from getting lapped/retiring from the races.
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These videos basically sums up why they should never pick Danica, she's the american form of Pastor Maldonado.





 
Dragonwhisky
In the NBC's pre-race coverage (mighta been the pre-qual show) Diffey did an interview with Haas. Haas didn't come right out and bluntly say it but I'm fairly certain, when asked if Danica would be considered for an F1 seat, at the end of his comments about it was a "long shot" and I pray I remembered correctly. I mostly remember, when Diffey asked him, thinking, "please, no, don't say she's getting a seat", and then breathed a sigh of relief when I heard him say not likely. I hope he stays with that.
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Haas obviously doesn't want to commit one way or the other. Diffey has an obligation to cover the question, since she's so prominent. It's very easy to manipulate answers in cases like that.
 
We can only hope he has the sense, at least from a racing perspective, to leave her where she's at.
 
Dragonwhisky
In the NBC's pre-race coverage (mighta been the pre-qual show) Diffey did an interview with Haas. Haas didn't come right out and bluntly say it but I'm fairly certain, when asked if Danica would be considered for an F1 seat, at the end of his comments about it was a "long shot" and I pray I remembered correctly. I mostly remember, when Diffey asked him, thinking, "please, no, don't say she's getting a seat", and then breathed a sigh of relief when I heard him say not likely. I hope he stays with that.
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Repeated in this "news" article linked by @Earth. It has a misleading title, a desperately scrabbling opening... and then Haas rather-enjoyably shoots the whole thing in the head near the finish :D

Gene 'In Da' Haas
Whether that's going to happen or not ... that's, that's, that's ... you know I think that's kind of a long shot there, too.
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According to Autosport, Gene Haas is calling the presence of an American driver "ideal", but it's clearly not guaranteed, much less a prerequisite.
 
This article has an answer that does my heart good to read. I'd be happy to see no other stickers on the car except HAAS Racing. We'll see if he can pull it off though. Later on in this I am crushed by his remarks about a dream driver and who it is...
 
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Dragonwhisky
This article has an answer that does my heart good to read. I'd be happy to see no other stickers on the car except HAAS Racing. We'll see if he can pull it off though. Later on in this I am crushed by his remarks about a dream driver and who it is...
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> Gif related to Gene Haas at interview.

What the hell is this man (Gene Haas) smoking? He has absolutely no clue how Formula One works. He thinks nobody knows what they are doing in 600 plus member teams, then explain how Redbull and Mercedes are doing so well with 600 plus member teams. He wants to do it as cheap as possible, well unfortunately, that doesn't work in F1 because F1 is not a spec series. Finally the "dream driver".... dear lord, the female, American version of Pastor Maldonado.
 
ukfan758
He wants to do it as cheap as possible, well unfortunately, that doesn't work in F1 because F1 is not a spec series.
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The FIA has a plan for opening up the regulations to allow for "customer parts", allowing teams to sell non-performance related parts with no scope for development. It's the bits and pieces that everyone has, and consequently have to spend money developing, but which don't yield any performance gains. It's cheaper and easier to buy a system from someone who has already developed it.

Finally the "dream driver".... dear lord, the female, American version of Pastor Maldonado.
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Again, it's a leading question. Patrick is the most prominent woman in global motorsport, and as someone with experience in open-wheel racing and connections to Haas, it would be natural to ask after any involvement with the project.

And look at Haas' response - he never confirms or denies that Patrick is under consideration, only that she would be a "dream" driver. He doesn't even explain what that means, and he's clearly smart enough not to commit to anything eighteen months before his team launches. But you have immediately gone and read entirely too much into his comments.
 
No, I said you have read too much into Haas' comments. Haas said Patrick "would be a dream driver", and you have assumed that that means Patrick is indeed under consideration, even though there is no evidence of it beyond a vague statement.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, I said you have read too much into Haas' comments. Haas said Patrick "would be a dream driver", and you have assumed that that means Patrick is indeed under consideration, even though there is no evidence of it beyond a vague statement.
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This. ^


Everytime there is an article on Haas' team nearly everyone is shooting him down in flames. A lot of British fans on the internet have been telling him to stay in NASCAR and how he'll never achieve anything because of his NASCAR experience.

Will anyone give him a chance?
 
SVT Cobra GT
Everytime there is an article on Haas' team nearly everyone is shooting him down in flames. A lot of British fans on the internet have been telling him to stay in NASCAR and how he'll never achieve anything because of his NASCAR experience.

Will anyone give him a chance?
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Think about it in terms of pure logistics: Haas runs a four-car operation in a series with a thirty-odd round calendar with a very tight turn-around and a centralised base of operations. They absolutely have to have a very clear chain of operations. No doubt Formula 1 could learn a thing or two about efficiency from him, just as NASCAR learned fields of telemetry when Marcos Ambrose joined the series, with his knowledge of systems from V8 Supercars that NASCAR had never considered before.
 
SVT Cobra GT
Everytime there is an article on Haas' team nearly everyone is shooting him down in flames. A lot of British fans on the internet have been telling him to stay in NASCAR and how he'll never achieve anything because of his NASCAR experience.

Will anyone give him a chance?
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Think about it in terms of pure logistics: Haas runs a four-car operation in a series with a thirty-odd round calendar with a very tight turn-around and a centralised base of operations. They absolutely have to have a very clear chain of operations. No doubt Formula 1 could learn a thing or two about efficiency from him, just as NASCAR learned fields of telemetry when Marcos Ambrose joined the series, with his knowledge of systems from V8 Supercars that NASCAR had never considered before.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, I said you have read too much into Haas' comments. Haas said Patrick "would be a dream driver", and you have assumed that that means Patrick is indeed under consideration, even though there is no evidence of it beyond a vague statement.
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I knew what you were saying. I was using sarcasm ;)
 

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