Getting a PS3 this weekend 9/26/08. Time for some questions.

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So far these are the games I have rented. I plan to re-rent the games I like the most and try to finish them.
1. GT5P
2. Heavenly Sword
3. Played the Haze demo
4. Lair
5. Uncharted (Level 15)
6. Resistance
7. MGS4 (completed the single player)
8. Motorstorm

Blu Ray movies I have rented
1. Vantage Point
2. Cars (incredible in Blu-ray)
3. Open Season
4. Batman Begins
5. Spider-Man 3
6. 10,000 BC
7. Ratatouille
8. Iron Man
9. Dinosaur (incredible in blu-ray)
10. The Spiderwick Chronicles
11. 300
12. X-men 3 (best audio I have ever heard)
13. Indiana Jones: Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (video quality is very poor)
14. Enchanted
 
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1. No. Blu-rays play fine in 720p. The number on the back of cases usually indicates the highest resolution, not the lowest.
2. 40gb is definitely more than enough. I have at least 5 movies, 5 game demos, 4 game data files, about 10 albums worth of music, internet browser favorites, and all that jazz. Still have 15gb free.
3. For surround sound, i guess you'd just use the optical out instead of going through HDMI. You can set that up in the settings when you first plug in your PS3. If not, HDMI does do video and [regular] audio at the same time through the one cord.
4. I'm fairly sure all PS2 games work with the BC PS3s? Forget about this if you buy the 40gb though.
5. Yep, you can buy PS1 games for anywhere from $3-5. No PS2 games yet though. There are several PS3 games you can buy in the store from between $9-40 like Pixeljunk Monsters, GT5P, etc.
6. Nope.
7. Yes, only up to 50 but you can create as many usernames as you wish and have 50 friends for each. Soon there will be in-game messaging and XMB in a firmware update.

For more info you can visit McLaren's thread here, or make a search through this thread.

Enjoy your purchase! 👍
 
1. Will I need a 1080P tv to play blu ray? I currently have a CRT Sony Wega Trinitron HDTV that plays in 1080i. I keep seeing on the blu ray disks that it only shows 1080p.
2. Our local stores have the 40gb drive PS3. I mainly only plan on using this PS3 for the blu ray player but I will be gaming on it too. I heard you have to downlad the games. So will the 40gb be enough?
3. How does the audio work for the HDMI cord? Not quite sure how I would wire that. My tv has the hole for HDMI. Currently I have my video component cables running from my 360 to my TV. For my surround sound I use the optical cable and it plugs right in the back of the 360 then runs to the receiver.
4. Where is the list of Backward Compatible ps2 games that work on the PS3?
5. I read somewhere about the playstation store selling older games that you can download. Whats the info on that?
6. Will I need to make a new user name for every PS3 game I play online like I had to with the PS2 online?
7. Does the PS3 have a friends list like the 360?
1. yes.
2. you can always change the drive
3. there is a optical on the back of the ps3.
4. See here, the firmware for the ps3 that they are showing is outdated so results will vary. Also you need the 80GB ps3 for BC.
5. there are games but not many.
6. No.
7. I dunno, but there is a friends list and the limit is 100 from what I read.
 
I can assure you that blu-rays do play in 720p, because that's the resolution i run my PS3 at and i have seen plenty of blu-rays. Pick up the movie Sunshine. ;)
 
They play in 720p, 1080i and 1080p, whichever mode you set it at. There's a display setting menu on the PS3 which allows you to choose all 3 of these or choose them seperately.
 
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They play in 720p, 1080i and 1080p, whichever mode you set it at. There's a display setting menu on the PS3 which allows you to choose all 3 of these or choose them seperately.
Excellent. Thank you all for the replies. I just got a little more excited.
If you have anything else about the PS3 that I should know about I would appreciate that. I really dont know much about it at all or any of the cool features.
 
- It supports HD audio formats, like full uncompressed PCM, TrueHD Dolby Digital and DTS-HD.

- It plays DVDs back very well, with different scaling options available to you, like upscaling to 1080i if you wish.

- There are several display settings that you can play with which may make a significant different depending on how your set handles it, like black adjust.

- Not too sure if it has this option on a blu-ray disc, but for downloaded HD movies there is a "zoom" option to zoom into the picture for it to fill the screen. Most, but not all, blu-ray movies, despite being "1080p", outputs the picture at 1920x800 due to the way the movie was filmed. You'll have black bars top and bottom, but with Zoom option these bars are gone, but left and right of the picture is cropped and you lose a little detail in the picture. Personal preference really what you perfer.

- You don't have to install all the games. Apart from the game data (like save/config files) COD 4 doesn't install anything, MGS4 installs content when you play each act, but deletes it when you move onto the next one, Motorstorm didn't use any, so it really depends what game you're going to play. Currently my 60GB drive has been enough.

- The online play really isn't that bad as some people say - in my experience it's just as stable as XBL. In COD4 you get quite a few more laggy players, but I presume it's down to less dedicated gamers without the need for a fast connection trying out an online console for the first time (since there's always lots of newbies, compared to the very rare amount on Xbox). :)

That's all I can think of currently...
 
Good info.
Another question thats actually still a question for #3. When I watched downloaded HD movies on the 360 I noticed a huge improvement in the sound quality over regular movies and thats using the optical cord. If I use the optical cord for audio instead of the HDMI will it still be the highest sound quality?
 
Good info.
Another question thats actually still a question for #3. When I watched downloaded HD movies on the 360 I noticed a huge improvement in the sound quality over regular movies and thats using the optical cord. If I use the optical cord for audio instead of the HDMI will it still be the highest sound quality?

That depends on what you are linking it up to.

If its to a TV then you will not notice a great deal of difference between the two, if its to a home cinema that accepts the common audio types (Dolby Digital and DTS) then again you will not notice a lot of difference. However if you have a Home Cinema system that can accept uncompressed audio, Dolby HD and DTS-MA then you will both need to conect via HDMI (Optical can't handle the required bandwidth) and in this case the audio will knock spots off anything you have heard in the past.

Regards

Scaff
 
Excellent. Thank you all for the replies. I just got a little more excited.
If you have anything else about the PS3 that I should know about I would appreciate that. I really dont know much about it at all or any of the cool features.


Rather than reposting, if you don't mind I'll just quote myself (edited with some updated info as well):

now since the PS3 is evolved from a gaming console into a multipurpose machine, what can you really do with it? is it possible to connect the PS3 with PSP and play the PSP games on a tv screen? connect the thing to a pc maybe?
help me out here guys!

Rather than have to say the same things all over again, here again is the post I made recently in the PS3 General Discussion thread:

I just picked up a PS3 yesterday, and am looking to find out a little more information about it's capabilities. This thread is too long for me to read every single page, plus most of the technical jargon and abbreviations are above my head. Can anyone give me a link to some simplistic info on it?
I agree, this thread is quite unwieldy, but that's also why there are several different threads in this PS3 forum on GTP that deal specifically with discussing many of the capabilities of the PS3. So I'd suggest you consider browsing through the list of thread titles in this forum for more info. It's certainly far easier than trying to browse through this massive thread. :)

Beyond GTP though here are some links you might find helpful:

I'm not looking for performance numbers and such. I'm looking more for what the PS3 can do, as well as what different additions will allow me to do. I'm accustomed to using my PS2 and XBOX, so all these other capabilities are new to me. I'm building up my entertainment room around this, so I've purchased nothing for the PS3 yet.

In very basic terms the PS3 is a:
  • PS3 Video Game Console Player
  • PSN Video Game Console Player
  • PS2 Video Game Console Player (except 40GB model and limited compatibility on 80GB model)
  • PS1 Video Game Console Player
  • Blu-ray Player (High Definition 1080p movies & HD Lossless Audio - can be downscaled for 1080i, 720p, or SD displays)
  • DVD Player (w/optional 1080p, 1080i or 720p Upscaling)
  • SACD Player (w/optional stereo optical cable (TOSLINK) output)
  • CD player
  • iPod Player
  • MP3 Player
  • Photo Viewer
  • Media Storage Server
    • Movies
    • Music
    • Photos
  • Personal Home Media Computer
    • Cell Processor CPU w/3.2 GHz PowerPC-based Power Processing Element w/7 Synergistic Processing Elements
    • RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' GPU w/1.3 GHz 256MB GDDR3 RAM +224MB of the CPU (480 MB max).
    • 2 TFLOP Processing Performance
    • 4x USB 2.0 Ports (2x for 40GB model)
    • Built-in Wi-Fi (excpet 20GB model)
    • Built-in Bluetooth 2.0
    • Built-in memory card readers (except 20GB & 40GB models)
    • Media File Sharing Support via DLNA Support
    • Web Browser (w/Flash 7)
    • Instant Messaging
    • eMail
    • Video & Voice Chat
    • Online Macromedia Flash (7) Game Support
    • Folding@Home
  • Support for many 3rd Party Hardware & Software
    • LINUX Operating System
    • External & Internal Hard Drives
    • Wheels & Controllers
    • USB & Bluetooth Devices
    • Optional Bluetooth AV Style Remote Control (can be modified to support IR Universal Remotes)
    • Etc
  • World Wide Remote Access to your PS3 and it's content via PSP
  • Security Camera Functionality with PlayStation Eye
  • And more...

Here are some threads on GTP that you may also find helpful:



There are so many more, as well as lots of info and guides about the PS3 outside of GTP. I have compiled lots of info and links over the last couple years and have considered creating an FAQ thread on the PS3 for GTP for a while now.

In the mean time, I hope you find some of this info helpful. 👍
 
I will tell you the ps3 has awesome scaling, I watched a widescreen movie from my ipod that was 320px width and 240px height and it was well done scaling up to 1080i as I could read text from the movie.
 
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1. Will I need a 1080P tv to play blu ray? I currently have a CRT Sony Wega Trinitron HDTV that plays in 1080i. I keep seeing on the blu ray disks that it only shows 1080p. I am buying a blu ray player to see the movies in the best possible quality including audio quality.

The PS3 will play blu-ray movies ON ANY TV with these resolutions: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p it doesn't matter. My projector displays both 1080i and 720p and the movie played perfectly on both resolutions. The only curveball is you need a HDMI cord to get 1080p on a 1080p TV.

In the options menu you can switch the resolution between 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p depending on the resolution of your TV. It is my opinion that even with a 480i televesion blu-ray movies look better then DVD movies on the same TV even one with lower resolution.

2. Our local stores have the 40gb drive PS3. I mainly only plan on using this PS3 for the blu ray player but I will be gaming on it too. I heard you have to downlad the games. So will the 40gb be enough?

It depends. 40GB will be enough if you delete old videos and game demos when they get outdated. The average size of a game demo now is 1 GB. Even with my 60GB I have had to delete old demos and videos to make room.

Games are coming out now with large mandatory installs that range up to several gigabytes.

I don't even think 80GB is enough to last you for the next few years of games.

There is plenty of 120 GB 2.5" HDDs floating around the net for around $75. I'd suggest picking up one of those at some point and time. I know I will for my 60GB.

3. How does the audio work for the HDMI cord? Not quite sure how I would wire that. My tv has the hole for HDMI. Currently I have my video component cables running from my 360 to my TV. For my surround sound I use the optical cable and it plugs right in the back of the 360 then runs to the receiver.

Don't know.

4. Where is the list of Backward Compatible ps2 games that work on the PS3?

The 40 GB PS3 does not play PS2 or PS1 games. It is not backward compatible.

5. I read somewhere about the playstation store selling older games that you can download. Whats the info on that?

The store sells several Playstation 1 games like Crash Bandicoot 1 and 2 and Jet Moto 1 and 2. Even Twisted Metal 2 and Tekken 2.

The price of Playstation 1 games for download is $5.99. Size is usually 300-450mbs

However the true stars of the playstation store are the new original games made in high quality PS3 graphics like Pixel Junk Monsters.

6. Will I need to make a new user name for every PS3 game I play online like I had to with the PS2 online?

No, whatever the username is on your master account is automaticly your name for every game you play.

The PS3 allows you to create up to 15 master accounts, or 15 different users and user names if you wish. Each user has his own saves, wallpapers etc. But don't sweat it. It's very easy to transfer your game saves from one account to another. Takes just a few clicks.

7. Does the PS3 have a friends list like the 360?

Yes, you can have up to 50 friends on each master account.

However at the moment is is almost useless for gaming because you cannot access it during gameplay to tell a friend where you are. When you turn on the PS3 you can see what game they are playing but that's it. If you message them they have to exit the game to reply to it. That should change with the next update when you can access that all ingame.
 
Yes, you can have up to 50 friends on each master account.

However at the moment is is almost useless for gaming because you cannot access it during gameplay to tell a friend where you are. When you turn on the PS3 you can see what game they are playing but that's it. If you message them they have to exit the game to reply to it. That should change with the next update when you can access that all ingame.

Actually, in Rainbow Six Vegas 2 you can access your friends list in game, message your friends, join there games, ect. This is the only game I currently know of though that has this feature.
 
Actually, in Rainbow Six Vegas 2 you can access your friends list in game, message your friends, join there games, ect. This is the only game I currently know of though that has this feature.

Forgot about that.

RAW vs SMACKDOWN 2008 allows you to access your friends list too

So some games do allow you to do it
 
The 40 GB PS3 does not play PS2 or PS1 games. It is not backward compatible.

Not quite right. The 40gig PS3 will not play PS2 games, that much is true, however ALL PS3's will play PS1 games.


Regards

Scaff
 
Just so there aren't any misunderstandings, I'd like to clarify a few of the things Earth said:


#1
The only curveball is you need a HDMI cord to get 1080p on a 1080p TV.
If you have a 1080p TV that accepts 1080p over component, then that is possible as well. The PS3 can output 1080p over component, and unless a video has the ICT tag (as far as I know, not one of the several hundred Blu-ray discs have it), then it won't downscale it to 540p over component.

It is my opinion that even with a 480i televesion blu-ray movies look better then DVD movies on the same TV even one with lower resolution.
Quite true. This is often because of the much higher bit rates that transfers on Blu-ray have. In addition, many Blu-ray titles are from newer, and often superior masters. Thus, even when displayed at the same resolution as DVD, the Blu-ray version will often look better... and sound MUCH better thanks to lossless audio (PCM, TrueHD, DTS-HD).



#2
It depends. 40GB will be enough if you delete old videos and game demos when they get outdated. The average size of a game demo now is 1 GB. Even with my 60GB I have had to delete old demos and videos to make room.
True, but it is also good to know that with only a few rare occasions, you can always redownload most content again off the PSN. Movie trailers from other studios are usually the first to get removed from the store, but only the really old game trailers get removed, and very rarely do any of the demos get removed.


Games are coming out now with large mandatory installs that range up to several gigabytes.
True, but these to can be erased, and reinstalled if need be without losing your game saves.

I don't even think 80GB is enough to last you for the next few years of games.
Considering that there has been more than 500GB of content already released on the PSN stores, and as someone who has upgraded his HDD twice now, first to a 160GB drive, and most recently to a 320GB drive, you would think I would tend to agree with you, and for the added conveniece, I do agree with you.

However, as explained above, it is also perfectly reasonable to occasionaly delete and re-instal games and content in the event you have an HDD smaller than all the content you have downloaded or installed from a game disc.

In other words, even a 20GB HDD is enough to last... as long as you are willing to take the time to regularly delete and reinstal content. I don't have the patience for that, but others might not mind so much.



#3
Don't know.
You can output audio from the PS3 three ways:
  • HDMI (max lossless digital 7.1 channel)
  • Optical (max Doby Digital/DTS or lossless digital PCM 2 channel)
  • AV Multi Cable (max analog 2 channel)
The best is multi channel lossless via HDMI, but to do that you need a receiver or audio processor with HDMI input. In addition, if you also plan on using the HDMI for video to the display you will need either an HDMI output on that receiver, or purchase an external HDMI spliter.

If you can manage it, I highly recommend multi-channel PCM via HDMI... truly stunning audio quality can be achieved. 👍



#4
The 40 GB PS3 does not play PS2 or PS1 games. It is not backward compatible.
While I don't own a 40GB PS3 or any PS1 games, I am fairly certain all PS3 models play PS1 games.



#6
No, whatever the username is on your master account is automaticly your name for every game you play.
Just to clarify things. The name you give when creating a "New User", is not the name that is used for it's PSN Online ID.

The "User Name" is stored and viewed only on your PS3, and can be changed or edited any time you feel like it. The same is not the case with a PSN Online ID. Once it is created, it can't be changed. You can delete it from your PS3 or move it to a different user, and then create a new ID. This is a good thing though, as it means you can always get your ID back should you switch to a new PS3.

The PS3 allows you to create up to 15 master accounts, or 15 different users and user names if you wish.
The max is actually 16, and it can be for both master and sub accounts.

This is also a nice feature in the event you belong to several racing leagues and or play a lot of games and want a specific friends list to only have current info on the people you play with for that/those game(s).

As it is very easy and fast to switch between users, you can quickly check other friends list to see who is available, even having as much as 800 1,600 friends listed, but without the problem of having all 800 1,600 on the same list which would not only wipeout your online bandwidth keeping track of their activities, but image all the pop-up message alerts you would have, and if you turn them off you may miss an important message, or game invite.


Each user has his own saves, wallpapers etc. But don't sweat it. It's very easy to transfer your game saves from one account to another. Takes just a few clicks.
Quite true. It is also very easy to copy your game saves and other content to an external hard drive or memory card. This is what makes being able to make backups and share game saves with others so easy and convenient. 👍



#7
Yes, you can have up to 50 friends on each master account.
Sub accounts as well.

EDIT: The max is now 100 friends per account.
 
Thanks for all the replies. There is enough information in here to keep me busy for a long time. I am a little disappointed to hear that the 40 gig version wont play PS2 games. Its not a real big deal since I got rid of most of my PS2 games a long time ago anyway. Most of the PS2 games I have right now are all backup copies anyway and I am sure the PS3 wont play backup copies. I do still have a PS2 so if I really wanted to play PS2 games I could always hook that up. Again, this is really no big deal. The main reason for buying this PS3 is for the Blu Ray player anyway. Sounds like it will work fine for everything else.
I will study some of the posted links and information and if I have any more questions I will just ask. 👍
 
Thanks for straightening me out Scaff, and Digital-Nitrate 👍

Certainly don't want to give inaccurate information to someone trying to make a $400 purchase.
 
Thanks for straightening me out Scaff, and Digital-Nitrate 👍

Certainly don't want to give inaccurate information to someone trying to make a $400 purchase.

Not a problem, its an easy one to get messed up on, after all its not like Sony have exactly made it easy to keep tabs on BC.


Regards

Scaff
 
Looks like Iron Man will be coming to Blu-Ray within the next few weeks. The day Iron Man comes out in Blu-Ray is the day I buy a PS3. Not much longer now. :sly:
 
Looks like Iron Man will be coming to Blu-Ray within the next few weeks. The day Iron Man comes out in Blu-Ray is the day I buy a PS3. Not much longer now. :sly:

I would just grab a PS3 and GT5P if I were you. I hope you have at least a HD ready TV as you will miss a lot of action with a SD TV.
 
I would just grab a PS3 and GT5P if I were you. I hope you have at least a HD ready TV as you will miss a lot of action with a SD TV.
Not sure if I want to buy GTP5 unless I can get it really cheap.
Oh yeah I cant even imagine gaming without a good HDTV. I bought mine about 2-3 years ago. Sony Trinitron Wega. Even had my own thread about it. 👍
 
You can output audio from the PS3 three ways:
  • HDMI (max lossless digital 7.1 channel)
  • Optical (max Doby Digital/DTS or lossless digital PCM 2 channel)
  • AV Multi Cable (max analog 2 channel)
The best is multi channel lossless via HDMI, but to do that you need a receiver or audio processor with HDMI input. In addition, if you also plan on using the HDMI for video to the display you will need either an HDMI output on that receiver, or purchase an external HDMI spliter.

If you can manage it, I highly recommend multi-channel PCM via HDMI... truly stunning audio quality can be achieved. 👍

I just want to clear up that the PS3 cannot send the 'raw' or undecoded audio data via bitstream which is required for your receiver to process the new higher end sound formats, like TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. The PS3 is still limited by the HDMI 1.3(a) SI Vastline chips, refereed to as the "old '9132s." The newest version of the chip, for HDMI 1.3(c) which is REQUIRED for raw bitstream data transfer, "9134" is not currently being used in the PS3. In order for your audio receiver to process the new audio formats, the signal MUST be sent via bitstream still in it's raw form. That essentially means the PS3 can never output the necessary undecoded 'raw' bitstream to a high-end audio/video receiver for sound processing.

However, thanks to past PS3 update 2.3, the PS3 can decode the audio format DTS-HD Master Audio and you can finally enjoy the benefit of lossless audio. But, the audio signal is sent to your audio/video receiver as a MULTICHANNEL Linear PCM signal instead.

Does that mean anything? Yes, you can get better audio quality if you let your high-end audio receiver do the work, but how many PS3 owners have one? So right now, it's not much of an issue for Sony.

How much better is that audio quality? Not very, if any. Remember, you are still getting LOSSLESS audio and all the quality of the new audio format, so it sounds AMAZING! Just don't be surprised if your high-end audio format lights on your audio receiver don't light up, because it's not processing it. It receives it as a multichannel LPCM audio signal and it cannot tell what it was before that.
 
However, thanks to past PS3 update 2.3, the PS3 can decode the audio format DTS-HD Master Audio and you can finally enjoy the benefit of lossless audio.
Actually we have been enjoying lossless audio on the PS3 since day one. The only thing that changed is adding the DTS HD-MA decoder. Seeing as nearly all Blu-ray titles come with a lossless PCM audio mix it was irrelevant for the most part. Also, it is not beneficial in any way to send a raw DTS HD-MA or Dolby TrueHD signal to an external audio decoder. They are basically compressed forms of the original PCM track, all of which are, to the human ear, transparent copies of the digital master recording.

Yes, you can get better audio quality if you let your high-end audio receiver do the work
No. Don’t let the audiophile dead heads fool you. They are also the ones that believe in paying $1,000 per foot for "burned-in" (aka used) speaker cable that they then suspend in the air. :)

So right now, it's not much of an issue for Sony.

It isn't an issue now or for anyone. 👍

How much better is that audio quality?

Zero.

From the same master recording: PCM = Dolby TrueHD = DTS HD-MA... in fact purists would argue that PCM is better if only for the fact that it isn't compressed like TrueHD and HD-MA.... but in blind testing I can assure you that they wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Any audio difference that is heard would be because a "higher-end" system is going to have better equipment which will likely reproduce the audio in full clarity. However, using the exact same system, and A-B switch between a PCM, TrueHD and DTD HD-MA mix from the same digital master, as I have on several occasions, and you'll never hear a difference. Never.

So no worries. This is also why I have recommended not to spend money on external audio processors with Dolby TrueHD oand or DTS HD-MA decoder, as it's completely unnecessary for the PS3. 👍
 
I have been saying forever that when Iron Man comes out on blu-ray is when I will buy a PS3. Well that day is approaching faster then I expected. Sept 30 is when it comes out so I need a PS3 by then. Looks like the only ones around are the 80 gig for $399.99. I will probably pick one up after work this Friday the 26th.
 
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