Golf VI

[forza2.0]

I'm thinking maybe the GTI will be faster. I'm hearing of a 110-ish hp engine in the Golf (which I assume is the GTI), while the Scirocco has the 200 hp unit, unless they upgrade that too. And isn't the Scirocco based on the MKV chassis? The MKVI is just an improvement of that chassis.



I'd say it's a bit more than a facelift. The interior is all new, I'm guessing the body is a new design, using elements from the MKV and they used the MKV chassis as a starting point. I've heard that a lot of the components are all-new though.

For the new GTI to have 211hp it would need the 2.0T with valvelift. However valvelift seems exclusive to audi at the moment.

The scirroco chassis is based on the MK5 chassis however is is different to that of the golf mk6 chassis which is just a updated mk5 chassis.

The body uses some of the same parts as the mk5 iirc and alot of the components are the same barring ones they designed so they could make the car more quickly and hence cheaper.

 

[Keef]

Well I do want to see the R32 go away. I never really got the point of it. It's not very fast and it handles like a boar hog in relation to its supposed competition. All I really see from it is the functionality, which you can get from both the Lancer Ralliart and WRX in the form of AWD, four doors, and for a lot less money. Ah, but it does have luxury. I'm very happy to see they want to give the GTI a harder edge. When you make a car too nice it just start to feel slow.

 

[YSSMAN]

The whole point of the R32 was to be a "grown up" kid's car. That's where the STI tried to go, its where the Evolution has stayed away from. I'd always prefer the VW (damn you VW for making me love you!), but the idea of a GTI-R won't kill me. Well, it will a little... Its just not an R32.

 

[Philly]

I quite liked the MKIV R32. That ended up being a very good tuner car. The new one? Not so much. They only came in DSG, so anybody who would want to beef them up and race them wouldn't' want one, and in the end it just comes across as a "look what we can do" collectors car. That and they aren't selling.

 

[Muzaffar]

Ouch. That sounds good and bad at the same time. Good because the GTi will still be selling and have an added horsepower than the MkV. 👍 Bad because the R32 is being replaced by the GTI-R . 👎 But I think it was a mistake for VW to make the MkV R32 to be like that. The MkIV R32 was by far more superior than the MkV in terms of sales and performance.

Well I guess we just have to wait and find out whats gonna happen next.....

 

[Philly]

I think they probably could make a successful R32/R36 for the MKVI generation if they offered it in stick. My chat with a VW salesman involved him going into detail about how guys would walk in wanting a manual R32, realize that it was auto-only and walk out with the keys to a brand new GTI.

 

[Tornado]

I never really got the point of it. It's not very fast and it handles like a boar hog in relation to its supposed competition.

The problem is that the GTI-R will arguably be even worse if the S3 is any indication.

 

[killer450235]

The R32 should be givin another change if you ask me.My Grandmother can go 100 down a freeway and not lose control in a old R32

 

[Leonidae]

it was auto only in the US? If I recall right, it's available with manual here in europe, both IV and V generations.

 

[homeforsummer]

The problem is that the GTI-R will arguably be even worse if the S3 is any indication.

The Golfs have always handled better than their equivalent A3 (according to the press) so I'd expect it to be better than the S3.

 

[Muzaffar]

it was auto only in the US? If I recall right, it's available with manual here in europe, both IV and V generations.

Maybe you read the wrong part. I'm sure that the GTi had the auto and manual as standard everywhere, it was the R32 which only comes in DSG, which is sort of an automatic transmission or sort.....

 

[Jim Prower]

The problem is that the GTI-R will arguably be even worse if the S3 is any indication.

Wait, what did you say?

:3

 

[forza2.0]

The problem is that the GTI-R will arguably be even worse if the S3 is any indication.

How did you work that one out.

The s3 is superior to the R32 in every single way. One remap and your looking at 310hp. Fuel pump upgrade later and its 335hp. Its easy to get big power out of the 2.0TFSI. Not so like with the heavy 3.2.

Track times and the S3 makes the R32 look even sillier.

 

[homeforsummer]

The s3 is superior to the R32 in every single way

Not quite every single way...



The V6 does sound fabulous.

 

[forza2.0]

It is nice sounding, but if you want a car for a nice exhaust note you can pick up a E46 M3 for the same money that you can a R32.

M3>>R32

 

[homeforsummer]

I actually prefer the sound of the normal BMW straight sixes to the M3, the M3 sounds quite tinny. Great car though. M3>S3 too

 

[YSSMAN]

I think they probably could make a successful R32/R36 for the MKVI generation if they offered it in stick. My chat with a VW salesman involved him going into detail about how guys would walk in wanting a manual R32, realize that it was auto-only and walk out with the keys to a brand new GTI.

I think that's just a sign of what the hardcore VW fans are into, not necessarily representative of all of those who'd be interested in an R32. Most of the VW guys like it clean, simple, and most importantly cheap... That's why they still offer the GTI in the way that they do. To be completely honest, in a car like that (The R32) I'd rather have the DSG box than the stick to have it be a quasi-GT cruiser, not a pocket rocket to go chasing STIs and Evolutions with. An option to have the stick would be greatly appreciated, but it isn't a deal-breaker.

As for the MKIV R32, its still my second-favorite VW. The proof is in the pudding, they're holding their resale values absurdly well too.

 

[Tornado]

How did you work that one out.

Because a measure of a car's worth is not about the ability to get big power for low money, or Chevrolet would have never stopped making the Iroc-Z.

More power or not, the R32 is superior to the S3 for the same reason the old Audi TT 3.2 was superior to the old TT 1.8T. While power wise they are similar, and while the turbo motor provides a flatter torque curve, you are essentially paying quite a bit of coin for a premium badge and car with a raspy and comparatively unrefined engine. When compared to the R32, the Evo/WRX came up short because the V6 powerplant was down on power but way ahead on refinement; complimenting the rest of the car's role (shown in its interior and driving manners) as a more refined alternative to the monster rally twins that was perfectly viable for those who didn't like the rally twin's shortcomings. The Audi S3, however, is just a more expensive yet slower alternative to the rally twins that lacks the extra refinement.

With the S3 you have a refined automobile with a laggy, tuner-like engine that is wholly unworthy of the price tag the car goes for (not to mention being at odds itself with the A3 range), making it a much harder sell than the R32 was. Yeah, the S3 goes faster than the R32, but for that matter so do the rally twins; and with their already being an A3 with the big V6 in it the S3 in itself is kind of pointless. Especially since the R32 was traditionally cheaper than the equivalent S3 model.

 

[forza2.0]

Because a measure of a car's worth is not about the ability to get big power for low money, or Chevrolet would have never stopped making the Iroc-Z.

More power or not, the R32 is superior to the S3 for the same reason the old Audi TT 3.2 was superior to the old TT 1.8T. While power wise they are similar, and while the turbo motor provides a flatter torque curve, you are essentially paying quite a bit of coin for a premium badge and car with a raspy and comparatively unrefined engine. When compared to the R32, the Evo/WRX came up short because the V6 powerplant was down on power but way ahead on refinement; complimenting the rest of the car's role (shown in its interior and driving manners) as a more refined alternative to the monster rally twins that was perfectly viable for those who didn't like the rally twin's shortcomings. The Audi S3, however, is just a more expensive yet slower alternative to the rally twins that lacks the extra refinement.

With the S3 you have a refined automobile with a laggy, tuner-like engine that is wholly unworthy of the price tag the car goes for (not to mention being at odds itself with the A3 range), making it a much harder sell than the R32 was. Yeah, the S3 goes faster than the R32, but for that matter so do the rally twins; and with their already being an A3 with the big V6 in it the S3 in itself is kind of pointless. Especially since the R32 was traditionally cheaper than the equivalent S3 model.

looking at it that way you do have a very good point. Although I might be biased but I think the S3 serves its purpose well with its explosive power. I think S3 sales are also better than that of the A3 3.2 V6.

Personally for me I have always wanted something rawer than VW offered in the R32 and GTI, and this could very well be the vehicle to do it, and stop me calling VW boring.

 

[homeforsummer]

VW is a strange manufacturer for me. I love their classic cars, and I really like their niche vehicles, but I find their normal range incredibly dull. The Fox, Polo, Golf, Jetta and Passat don't even register on my car radar, yet I love the Scirocco, GTI versions, Eos, Tiguan and Phaeton. I liked the old Bora too but they ruined it with the new Jetta which just looks like a Passat that's been on too hot a wash.

The Scirocco is the best looking car from them in years though. So I appreciate that the new model has taken cues from it's design.

 

[Jim Prower]

Still, if the GTI-R is the car's actual name, I must ask...

Why must VW confuse their top-level Golf with a Nissan of some sort?

 

[forza2.0]

My sources did say it would be called RSI or similiar.

 

[YSSMAN]

Still, if the GTI-R is the car's actual name, I must ask...

Why must VW confuse their top-level Golf with a Nissan of some sort?

Because we never received the Pulsar GTi-R in the US. Note the 'i' as well (lol)...

 

[homeforsummer]

RSi as Forza suggested would make sense given that mental Beetle they released a while back, and given that the "R" for the R32 was a prefix, maybe R-GTi?

 

[Philly]

They will wand some kind of R so that they can associate it with their other R models.

 

[forza2.0]

I do really hope VW make a 2.0T AWD car, then I can get the scirrocco version. That would be lovely. A little engine fettling and I would have a 380hp car for like £27,000. Then I could go evo hunting

Oh and if VW get this awd 2.0T model, SEAT might get it aswell. The return of the Leon Cupra R

 

[homeforsummer]

I always think manufacturers are shooting themselves in the feet by making subsequent models vastly more powerful than their predecessors. It's like a big manufacturer willy-waving contest. Isn't the current Leon Cupra more powerful than the old Cupra R? Meaning the new Cupra R would have to be even more powerful, and then no doubt if a Leon Mk3 comes out the standard Cupra would be even more powerful than the Mk2 Cupra R...

What I want is a lightweight Golf GTI with a peakier engine and at about £3-4k less than they sell the current one at. I still think the true successor to the original GTI was the Lupo GTI. Small, light, mental, and yet still well built and refined as VWs should be.

 

[Philly]

I do really hope VW make a 2.0T AWD car, then I can get the scirrocco version. That would be lovely. A little engine fettling and I would have a 380hp car for like £27,000. Then I could go evo hunting

I don't know if VW will be doing much to the Scirocco. They only just introduced it and I would bet that they'll keep the engine situation the same. All I can see them doing is bumping the 200 hp engine up to the 211 hp rating the MKVI GTI will see. And if I wanted to go evo hunting, I'd probably just buy a MKIV R32 and throw a super or turbo charger on.

What I want is a lightweight Golf GTI with a peakier engine and at about £3-4k less than they sell the current one at. I still think the true successor to the original GTI was the Lupo GTI. Small, light, mental, and yet still well built and refined as VWs should be.

The thing is is that the GTI is pretty good at hiding it's weight. You can tell that the MKV GTI is a little heavy (especially in looks), but it still drives like it's on rails and feels perfectly nimble. However, the Lupo would be quite a car if they put the 2.0 TFSI with all that power under the hood.

 

[forza2.0]

I don't know if VW will be doing much to the Scirocco. They only just introduced it and I would bet that they'll keep the engine situation the same. All I can see them doing is bumping the 200 hp engine up to the 211 hp rating the MKVI GTI will see. And if I wanted to go evo hunting, I'd probably just buy a MKIV R32 and throw a super or turbo charger on.



The thing is is that the GTI is pretty good at hiding it's weight. You can tell that the MKV GTI is a little heavy (especially in looks), but it still drives like it's on rails and feels perfectly nimble. However, the Lupo would be quite a car if they put the 2.0 TFSI with all that power under the hood.

I cant see the VW getting 211hp engine for a while. Its the valvelift technology of audi that gives it the extra 14hp, although VW will be utilising the EA888 architecture 2.0T which considerably reduces emissions, but shouldnt without the valvelift see 211hp. I reckon 1.5 years from now we will see a R scirrocco.

 

[homeforsummer]

The thing is is that the GTI is pretty good at hiding it's weight. You can tell that the MKV GTI is a little heavy (especially in looks), but it still drives like it's on rails and feels perfectly nimble. However, the Lupo would be quite a car if they put the 2.0 TFSI with all that power under the hood.

Ahhhh you and I think very differently it seems. I don't care how well the car hides it's weight, the point is it should be lighter in the first place because then it wouldn't need as much power to do what it does, and suspension tuning would be easier - apart from anything, with a lighter car you don't need to be as stiffly sprung so you can have great handling and a good ride. The Bugatti Veyron "hides it's weight well" but no doubting it would be even more awesome if it weighed 500kg less!

And again, the Lupo didn't need a stupid massive engine because it was small and lightweight so a small engine was enough.

I'm talking designed-in lightness too, not cheeky use of expensive materials to make it lighter but vastly more expensive a la Ferrari Scuderia and Porsche 911 GT3 RS. My ideal hot hatch would be quicker but also cheaper too.

Ah well, have to keep dreaming I guess...