Golf VI

[Omnis]

The c250 gets 45mpg and has 500NM torque. And it's heavier. What's up, VW?

 

[FoolKiller]

The c250 gets 45mpg and has 500NM torque. And it's heavier. What's up, VW?

And what does it cost?

Actually, you don't need to tell me. It is more than my meager mid-management salary can afford.

 

[Omnis]

True. Is the Golf going to have the engine that's turboed and supercharged? If so, that would be cool.

 

[dancardesigner]

Great front

Crap back

Cheap looking dash, not on par with previous Golf's

I'll take the Scirrocco thanks

 

[YSSMAN]

True. Is the Golf going to have the engine that's turboed and supercharged? If so, that would be cool.

As far as I know, VW isn't letting us have it... Yet. When the first TSI models rolled out a few years ago, they said it was too complicated, and they cited that they didn't think the reliability would be up to par for the US market. A few years on down the road, I don't see why we can't have one.

Although I seem to remember Clarkson saying it was a terrible engine.

 

[Philly]

I wouldn't call the MkVI a "brand new" car. It's still essentially a MkV that's been redesigned to be cheaper to produce. And outwardly it looks little more than a half-hearted facelift.

True. The way they handled this situation is a bit strange. I think I'd like a MKVI just so I can be sure that I will always me more unique. Because I'm seeing MKVs almost as often as Priuses around here.

True. Is the Golf going to have the engine that's turboed and supercharged? If so, that would be cool.

I think that's currently on offer in the Golf in Europe. I think it would be pretty cool to see it in the new Golf here. It seems to be pretty tunable for any sort of horsepower they want.

 

[homeforsummer]

Although I seem to remember Clarkson saying it was a terrible engine.

I wouldn't bother listening to him. Most of the motoring press seem to like it and I see more than a few on the roads so the public clearly do too. It's supposed to be a little rough, but then it's a small capacity 4-cyl and it's probably a side-effect of tuning the engine to work with the supercharger and turbocharger and making sure that it has a consistent power delivery.

 

[Omnis]

As far as I know, VW isn't letting us have it... Yet. When the first TSI models rolled out a few years ago, they said it was too complicated, and they cited that they didn't think the reliability would be up to par for the US market. A few years on down the road, I don't see why we can't have one.

Although I seem to remember Clarkson saying it was a terrible engine.

Well isn't that the one that got the insane fuel economy and won Ward's best?

 

[yeti]

Is the TDI supposed to be a 3 door or 5 door? If it is a 3 door then I will likely be looking at used Jettas in a couple of years. I have been told that now that we have a kid coming any new car will have to have proper backdoors to make child seat placement easier.

BTW - someone once told me - that amusingly a 3 door car can be easier to get a child in and out of a child seat - as you are coming in "face on" to the seat (i.e. through the front door) - whereas with a 5 door car you come in at the side...

Putting the childseats in in the first place is harder though...

C.

 

[yeti]

Although I seem to remember Clarkson saying it was a terrible engine.

I read that review - it was of the (despecced) underpowered (120?) version - and not the proper high powered version... (160?)

C.

 

[homeforsummer]

I read that review - it was of the (despecced) underpowered (120?) version - and not the proper high powered version... (160?)

C.

I think it might have been, but the engines are essentially the same.

Oh, and subtle hint:

 

[Philly]

I think the higher power one is 170. That's what some publication I read said. vw.co.uk just had a 102 and 160 PS version on the Golf.

they cited that they didn't think the reliability would be up to par for the US market.

Just how unreliable is this engine? Or where do they think they are on the reliability scale?

But my car does seem a little happier now that I'm driving it a lot less and being a little easier on it. I'm waiting for the starter motor to die, and that's all that's happened since May.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well isn't that the one that got the insane fuel economy and won Ward's best?

I think so. The 1.4 TSI is a pretty well-known engine, available in quite a few different output variations. The one in the Scirocco averages a little over 35 (US) MPG. Not bad for a (heavy) high performance coupe.


RE: Reliability

VW never gave a good excuse in my opinion, and it isn't as though they've made reliability scores for the engine all that well-known here either. My guess is that they'd be worried about the long-term performance of both the turbocharger and supercharger, and our obsession with oil consumption issues (my guess, it drinks it, quickly).

 

[yeti]

Oh, and subtle hint:

Yeah - I realised that too late - I forgot that I'd just typed a post in this same topic!!

C.

 

[SagarisGTB]

It really is a real shame they arent bringing the 1.6 TSI over and sticking with the 2.5. Its just horrible for fuel economy. With that engine, I cant justify to my father to make him look at the new Golf over the Honda Accord.

 

[YSSMAN]

I'm not a fan of the 2.5L I5 either, but after they bumped the output up to 170 BHP, it made more sense than the engine that it debuted with. Volkswagen won't play the turbo game again for a while, I think. At least, I don't think they'll do it outside the GTI for now here in North America.

I'd like to have the 1.8T back, but I don't think I'll ever get my way.

 

[Tornado]

The 1.8T would make a decent base engine (perhaps detuned slightly), methinks, but do they even make it anymore?

 

[YSSMAN]

They still stuff it in some cars over in Europe (the Polo GTI comes to mind), but I believe the new 1.8 TSI has replaced its spot in the range. Making 155 PS, its still a solid value-priced option if they decided to bring it over. Upon reflection, I prefer the 1.8T to the VR6 in most of the MKIV/B5-era VWs, but some of that does depend on the year and the model.

I'd still love to get my hands on a late-model MKIV GLI or Beetle Turbo S.

 

[Philly]

VW's new really hot hatch has hit the internets!

The Volkswagen Golf R32 had an small but dedicated fan base here in the U.S. It's 250 horses and road-gripping 4Motion all-wheel drive made for one sprightly Golf, but changing times calls for another approach for the R franchise. Our German friends at VW are using home field advantage at the Frankfurt Motor Show to announce the highly anticipated 2010 R20. The newest R-badged Golf will drop a couple cylinders and add turbocharging for motivation, but the AWD system will stay to keep all that power from being wasted at the front wheels.

The R20 will be reportedly be powered by a boosted 2.0L engine capable of 265 hp and 258 lb-ft, likely an exact duplicate of the engine of the Scirocco R20. World Car Fans says the new powertrain will make for a 0-62 time of 6.5 seconds with the six-speed manual, and 6.4 seconds with the dual clutch gear box. Those times sound pretty slow to us and are akin to what a standard GTI can manage, so we're guessing VW is sandbagging for now.

The R20 also has several aesthetic changes including a new front grille, LED daylight running lamps and plenty of fresh R-badging to let onlookers know this is no run-of-the-mill Golf. Also new are some gorgeous new rims that look to be of the 18 inch variety, and the interior receives some tasteful two tone treatments as well. We'll be sure to update you on all things R20 as official information from VW becomes available. Click below to enjoy the high-res gallery.

Looks sweet. I think it'll be a little while before we can see what it'll actually do acceleration-wise. Possibly 5.5-5.8 seconds to 60? Maybe they'll actually sell them if they come in a stickshift (if it gets here).

 

[Joey D]

Now that is a good looking hatchback. Look very Audi-ish with out actually being ugly.

 

[Tornado]

Dear Volkswagen:

 

[sumbrownkid]

It really is a real shame they arent bringing the 1.6 TSI over and sticking with the 2.5. Its just horrible for fuel economy. With that engine, I cant justify to my father to make him look at the new Golf over the Honda Accord.

Nothing defeats the Honda Accord...not even another Honda Accord. That's how good the Honda Accord is.

 

[YSSMAN]

The R20 is a slick-looking car, and I know I'd love to have one. Keeping the 4MOTION system was a smart move, I think, as it always added a level of civility to the car. Lets just hope they roll the price back to match the loss of cylinders.

 

[Jim Prower]

An Evo will still Smoke it. Don't even mention the STi. X3

and now, with a 2-liter four, Comparisons will become more direct, especially if, like YSSMAN says, the car's price drops. Personally, I could care less with the luxury, or the fact that VW's supposedly a "prestige" brand, they're treading on Rally Twin territory, here.

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, if the price goes down, they can knock it around with the Ralliart and the WRX, not the Evolution and STi, which arguably have taken on more of an R32-like demeanor anyway. Not that I'm complaining, if they sticker this around $27-28K, it will still be a pretty solid performance value. Much better than the $30+ for the R32.

 

[TheCracker]

Well, if the price goes down, they can knock it around with the Ralliart and the WRX, not the Evolution and STi, which arguably have taken on more of an R32-like demeanor anyway. Not that I'm complaining, if they sticker this around $27-28K, it will still be a pretty solid performance value. Much better than the $30+ for the R32.

In the UK it's likely to be priced at £28,500. A couple of grand more than an STi and the same as an Evo X FQ300. But more importantly, £2k more than a Focus RS.

 

[Omnis]

Just came back from the auto show. This car probably gave me the most satisfaction of all the vehicles there. Of course, I haven't driven one, but this thing surpassed my expectations and the fact that it comes with the 2.0 TDI is great. Great car.

 

[Philly]

The GTI is the 2010 Automobile Car of the Year!

It's funny how publications have a personality. It shouldn't be funny, as obviously all publications have an editor and said editor has a collection of likes and dislikes, but we still find it amusing. Here's a for instance. This year our pals over at Motor Trend went ahead and named the Subaru Outback their Sport Utility Vehicle of the Year. Besides the obvious issue (a jacked up station wagon counts as an SUV?), this selection makes perfect sense considering that in 2008 the Subaru Forester won the same award. Funny, huh?

Therefore it should surprise no one that Automobile named the 2010 Volkswagen GTI their Automobile of the Year. Why? Because they did the same thing back in 2007. Really? Yeah man, really. Only this time we're not sure how ha ha funny we find this selection. It's more funny odd. For one thing, the 2010 GTI really isn't all that different than the 2007 GTI. Same power plant, same suspension, same hard points. All that's really new are some body panels and an electronic differential, the latter of which is suspect during sustained, high-speed back country driving.

All that said, the new GTI is a fine car -- we said so ourselves a few months back. However, we just don't see it as COTY material. In fact, if we were to select a single car to shower praise down upon... we're not even sure where we'd start. Some of us (ahem) would no doubt push for the Shelby GT500 because for the money it just can't be beat (or for that matter, for twice the money). Still others would pick... the Ford Fusion Hybrid. So what do we know? Oh wait, two of us are on the Internet Car of the Year jury...

I personally think it's a great choice. If the best car on sale (confirmed by Automobile) gets replaced by something that gets great reviews across the board, it only makes sense that the new car gets the award. What else was it up against?

 

[Omnis]

Not much, to be honest. The only MY'10 cars I like are the new E-class, the 335d, and the Golf6TDi

 

[FoolKiller]

Well, this should help VW hang on to that most cars produced this year badge.