Gr.1 problem...
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- Alpha_Cipher1
Gr. 1 is just a total wreck right now
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As it stands we have like 4 different groups in Gr.1... donno what PD was thinking but making imaginary cars to compete with current cars is totally stupid.
I'd divide those in these groups
LMP1
- Audi R18 TDI '16
- Nissan GT-R LM NISMO '15
- Porsche 919 Hybrid '16
- Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16
older LMP1 (maybe LMP2)
- Audi R18 TDI '11
- Peugeot 908HDi FAP '10
- Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12
Gr.C
- Jaguar XJR-9 '88
- Mazda 787B '91
- Mercedes Sauber C9 '89
- Nissan R92CP '92
and leave all VGTs' in Gr.1 (TBH don't care much about them, since I don't use them at all and it is stupid to mix them up with real world racing cars)
This would fix fuel MPG a lot, since each of the era has it's own regulations, and already all these cars are real world BoPd' in their respective era.
I'd divide those in these groups
LMP1
- Audi R18 TDI '16
- Nissan GT-R LM NISMO '15
- Porsche 919 Hybrid '16
- Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16
older LMP1 (maybe LMP2)
- Audi R18 TDI '11
- Peugeot 908HDi FAP '10
- Toyota TS030 Hybrid '12
Gr.C
- Jaguar XJR-9 '88
- Mazda 787B '91
- Mercedes Sauber C9 '89
- Nissan R92CP '92
and leave all VGTs' in Gr.1 (TBH don't care much about them, since I don't use them at all and it is stupid to mix them up with real world racing cars)
This would fix fuel MPG a lot, since each of the era has it's own regulations, and already all these cars are real world BoPd' in their respective era.
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Also I am wondering does the eV part of 919 and R18 at all work properly, because both of those cars have around 900+ hp on their full trim, and since ICE is not touched with BoP I have a feeling that eV part doesn't work at all.
All this is from experience from yesterday, I mean Gr.1 race was like 17 Peugeot 750s and 3 other cars... where 1 was another VGT and there was me with R18 16 and another guy with R18 11.
As far as I know R18 produces around 680kW that is approx 930hp, and my question is how can a 650hp car (750) outperform R18 when it has full ERS? And on top of that, R18 doesn't feel as 4WD at all... I do understand there is difference when there is no ERS, but then again, 750 cannot pull like crazy away from R18...
All this is from experience from yesterday, I mean Gr.1 race was like 17 Peugeot 750s and 3 other cars... where 1 was another VGT and there was me with R18 16 and another guy with R18 11.
As far as I know R18 produces around 680kW that is approx 930hp, and my question is how can a 650hp car (750) outperform R18 when it has full ERS? And on top of that, R18 doesn't feel as 4WD at all... I do understand there is difference when there is no ERS, but then again, 750 cannot pull like crazy away from R18...
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They might as well BOP up the Sambabus and put it in Gr1 if they're going to keep the VGT cars in there.
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I think there are some holes in the Group 1 realism and balance but I have recently been questioning the realism of the physics model in the game full stop...
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- mthomas_27
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...and that's where I see a problem, those cars are not meant to race together, they are simply not in same racing space nor under same regulations. Especially Gr.C with modern LMPs'.
There is enough cars in each of the era for quality racing, don't see need for combining those...
This I have noticed since first day, and it proves that GT is not simulation like AC, rFactor etc., it is simulator, predefined physics, and things like this can and are happening.I think there are some holes in the Group 1 realism and balance but I have recently been questioning the realism of the physics model in the game full stop...
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- crazybuttocks198
- Crazybuttocks19
It will all stay as on one happy family in GR.1. It won't change. Besides GR.1 sucks loads.
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- apocalypxoticnow
I also believe that sub-categories should be introduced especially into Gr.1 and Gr.X. BoP is also another mess regardless of the category. They should get rid of the single BoP fits-for-all mindset. It doesn't work and that's why they end up changing them with every major update. They need to understand that if they really wish to equalize the cars so that the player skill becomes the only prominent factor, they need to have different BoPs for each car and for each track.
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- mthomas_27
Exactly this, and as I said in the FIA thread the leaderboards are never to be taken seriously. Yes Peugeot was a bit faster at Interlagos, but the R18 was a genuine contender and that Hyundai was a decent choice as well. I would've picked the R18 on reflection as I could've still qualified it top 3, I thought there'd be more low 20's quali times that would've sent me too far back on the grid but I forgot how much even some top guys struggle with Gr1
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Honestly, VGT's would also need to be separated into Hybrids and Non-Hybrids, Nik got outqualified by the Peugeot users easily yesterday when he was using the Tomahawk. The way that L750R pulls away in 3rd gear meant that you needed to work the entire lap at Interlagos to catch up to it, only to get hilariously trolled coming of the last corner to have to do it all again. :/
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- mthomas_27
Biggest problem the Tomahawk had was the fuel multiplier wasn't big enough for once. 750R is one of the thirstiest cars in the entire class and even it could comfortably do the full race without refuelling. If it was 5 or 6x it would have to spend vital extra seconds in the pits refuelling so the cars that rely on good fuel economy for a result like the Tomahawk would've been much more competitive.
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Tidgney
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Gr.1 is worse than Gr.4 to be honest because of the hybrid, non hybrid issue, makes for some bizarre and crazy racing, which you could say is good but it means that some cars are all over the place. If it was BoP on a per track basis I could understand it a lot more. I do get the whole VGT in Gr.1 thing, and I do like it IF the BoP was right.
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- Bobert962C
After testing the Porsche 919 and the Nissan R92CP, whose idea was it to put Group C cars with LMP1H's? With the R92CP, I'm 6 seconds off the 919 and the cornering speeds are so sad with Group C. Here's hoping PD will separate Group C from Group 1.
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...didn't see in long time anyone using Gr.C car, why I wonder? Slower, manual gearbox, only 5 gears, different aero... it's a rofl
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