-Gran Turismo 5 Packaging 3 Separate Discs-¿Surpises Ahead?

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dazzi
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this , but I picked up a pamphlet from my work's home entertainment section in a store in australia, its a Sony playstation Pamphlet ;), and it has Gran turismo 5 confirmed along with GOW III and heavy rain as early 2010 games, dont know what others think of that, it is an official sony piece of paper, and if anyone wants ill scan it and post it as proof.
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I would like to see it and not because I don't believe you. :)
 
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m00ndancer
EA and T10 can't help that the Xbox360 "only" has a DVD-drive.
But I agree when it comes to the PS3. I'm not an expert on the PS3 hardware but I think that you should be able to compress textures and sound with no ill effect. Even use 5.1 Dolby TrueHD och DTS-HD Master Audio. All that and the game should be able to fit on one BR-disc.
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I don't believe the lack of disc space is a good reason (or excuse); after all, Forza 3 already came with two discs. As for EA, their "DLC" cars are already on the disc. :ouch: I don't think the lack of space is the issue there! ;)
 
TBR 427
Who knows, but if there's gonna be different cars on each disc, requiring a MASSIVE install, there'll be rage.

Remember, if they can't fit it all on ONE 50GB disc...

On the other hand, there could be race footage, a developers story behind GT disc, etc, etc, etc.
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each disc has its purpose 1 is the one containing all the cars and tracks the other is the gaming software or preinstalasion and the last is the final game but you need to use the two previous CDs to play. is better to buy a ps3 80gb and gt5 separated. the ps3 slim 250gb bundle is not good nop loll. the perfect combination ps3 80 gb and gt5 you know. one of the cd will be nesesary to actualisate the game. gt5 will be the best game ever.
 
gt5imwaitingfor
each disc has its purpose 1 is the one containing all the cars and tracks the other is the gaming software or preinstalasion and the last is the final game but you need to use the two previous CDs to play. is better to buy a ps3 80gb and gt5 separated. the ps3 slim 250gb bundle is not good nop loll. the perfect combination ps3 80 gb and gt5 you know. one of the cd will be nesesary to actualisate the game. gt5 will be the best game ever.
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Is that how you really type? Ha! Bye bye, credibility.
 
SrRd RacinG
Is that how you really type? Ha! Bye bye, credibility.
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Hahahahaahah....take it easy.....I'm probably the worst writer on the entire forum, so I would be pissed in a situation like this...... :) .......but I couldn't deny that you have some reason....

Now, getting back on topic, maybe the two extra discs are the cars and tracks, I'm pretty sure that this is a cause of the increased polygon number for each car (double of prologue), the tracks must be even more detailed and perfect in every single characteristic... oh, and do you guys remember when PD released the second damage video, featuring light damage on a 458 italia? There's some mobile objects like traffic barriers that are knocked by the ferrari, maybe there's a lot of things like that for each track, then there's a reason for the extra disk space demand.

Wikipedia says that a Blu-Ray disc can hold 25GB single layered and up to 50GB in double layer, when Kaz say "Gran Turismo 5 scale is huge" and "Expect perfection", he is more than correct........
 
Reg.
Case 1:CD 1-GT5 CD 2-Install Disc
Specal Editon
Case 1:CD 1-GT5 CD 2-Install Disc
Case 2:CD 3-Extra NASCAR and WRC Stuff(Cars Only)
Case 3:CD 4-Extra NASCAR and WRC Tracks
 
Dan_
Hahahahaahah....take it easy.....I'm probably the worst writer on the entire forum, so I would be pissed in a situation like this...... :) .......but I couldn't deny that you have some reason....

Now, getting back on topic, maybe the two extra discs are the cars and tracks, I'm pretty sure that this is a cause of the increased polygon number for each car (double of prologue), the tracks must be even more detailed and perfect in every single characteristic... oh, and do you guys remember when PD released the second damage video, featuring light damage on a 458 italia? There's some mobile objects like traffic barriers that are knocked by the ferrari, maybe there's a lot of things like that for each track, then there's a reason for the extra disk space demand.

Wikipedia says that a Blu-Ray disc can hold 25GB single layered and up to 50GB in double layer, when Kaz say "Gran Turismo 5 scale is huge" and "Expect perfection", he is more than correct........
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I would like to point out how insane it is to use 50GB of space in a game today. Kojima did that, but the guy is nuts. Nuts? Sorry, I meant completely insane. Don't get me wrong, MSG4 is the best game I've ever played and it would loose a lot of it's appeal if it was limited to a smaller storage. Anyway, what I'm trying to say here is: GT5 will surely be huge. There's no question there. However, keep in mind that 20GB is huge... 30GB is insane... 40GB and you should be thrown in a psychiatric hospital... 50GB and you're Hideo-Kojima crazy... 100 - 150GB and there's no human words to describe your insanity.

It's not gonna happen. The game cannot use more than a dual-layered BD. Doesn't matter if it has 1000 cars, 70 different tracks and no matter what else Kazunori may pull out off his ass. That would still fit in a BD. The other 2 disks (assuming they are in fact disks) must be extras like making-of, TV shows, whatever. Can I be wrong? Sure, but I hope not. If I am, the game will be so good that I'll die of excitement before I even put my hands on it.
 
Well, let's think about this critically.

-Forza 3 is 10GB, give or take. Let's be generous and call 8GB of that car data.
-GT5 has roughly twice as many cars, and at roughly 4 times the poly count last time I looked. Let's call it 8 times as much car data, for a total of about 64GB.

That's two Bluray discs, with ~35GB to spare on one of them. There would have to be a truly monstrous amount of tracks, video and other content to fill up that second disc and require a third. Not to mention that anything over a 10GB install will a) take hours and b) shaft people with 20/40/60GB hard drives.

I could see the game stretching to two discs, but the third is either printed material or not part of the game proper (ie. a Making Of movie or something).
 
Meerley doublibng the poly count does not double the size of the car data. Also the car data would not make up 80% of Forza 3's total data size. You have to remember as well, that whatever data PD don't fit onto a single disk means that either you swap disks, or data has to be saved onto your hard drive. There is no way we will be installing tonnes of data, it's simply not practical for the consumer. We may get two disks and a big manual, or two disks and then a disk with bonus GT:TV content and the like. I would guess that anything we have to intall will be a few gig maximum.
 
Dave A
Meerley doublibng the poly count does not double the size of the car data. Also the car data would not make up 80% of Forza 3's total data size. You have to remember as well, that whatever data PD don't fit onto a single disk means that either you swap disks, or data has to be saved onto your hard drive. There is no way we will be installing tonnes of data, it's simply not practical for the consumer. We may get two disks and a big manual, or two disks and then a disk with bonus GT:TV content and the like. I would guess that anything we have to intall will be a few gig maximum.
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That was the point, I was being as horribly pessimistic with the numbers as I could and it's still only barely two discs.
 
Lets say cars are 30mb each (nothing exceptional with high quality textures, sounds and detailed 3D models, inside and outside the car... think how detailed the textures need to be to capture things like the writing on the headlights!). GT Legends cars are 30-50mb or so (though different models of the same car are only about 10mb). So that'd be 30gb for cars alone if there were 1000 cars. Add tracks and actual game data that isn't cars and tracks, you could easily be pushing 50gb.

PC racing games show that a game could easily push toward 50gb with the amount of content GT5 will have (depending on how well compressed the files are, or how low quality the models are).

Though if a game really did have that much content on PS3 it'd be annoying... if you only had a 40gb model the install files could chew up half your hard drive space.
 
The other two discs could be NFS: Shift and Forza 3. PD wants us to compare all 3 and give them valuable feedback.
:yuck::dopey::sly:
 
Dave A
Meerley doublibng the poly count does not double the size of the car data. Also the car data ...
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Yes, you're right, but I never said that doubling the polygon number would double the disk size of each car, I'm an IT professional and I can tell you for sure, that the polygons are merely numeric data that won't use a very large amount of space(the rendering engine does all the hard work, it's just processing power to transform polygon coordinates in tridimensional objects...and we have Cell....:) ), however, if the polygon count is increased the texture resolution must be improved to take some advantage of this, and eventually the tracks must be perfected even more to accomplish Kaz standards and to match the improved looks of the cars, so there's a whole set of things which affect the game size, so problably the tracks, or the rendering and physics engines must be saved on disc, and don't forget the livery editor, maybe a track editor and plus a ton of free movies for GTTV, some top gear episodes, making-offs, interviews, improved sound simulation......:crazy:

The game will be huge, and if you look carefully you can see that 50GB isn't too much disk space, imagine each asphalt imperfection and detail of a 20km long German track printed in a high resolution texture....I can be wrong, but, man....this will require a HUGE disk share...so maybe up to 20GB of hard disk usage isn't an unreal forecast......
 
Dan_
The game will be huge, and if you look carefully you can see that 50GB isn't too much disk space, imagine each asphalt imperfection and detail of a 20km long German track printed in a high resolution texture....I can be wrong, but, man....this will require a HUGE disk share...so maybe up to 20GB of hard disk usage isn't an unreal forecast......
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20GB is half the total capacity of a 40GB PS3. It would be commercial suicide to expect every GT5 owner to have 20GB of free space left on their HDD.
 
TheCracker
20GB is half the total capacity of a 40GB PS3. It would be commercial suicide to expect every GT5 owner to have 20GB of free space left on their HDD.
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Well, real fans don't mind to erase other game data just to enjoy the most fantastic racing game ever made.....and remember, this is the first game to use the PS3 hardware with this intensity, I have a Slim 120GB ps3, and IMO, GT5 will be a real console seller as FF and GOWIII will do the same, so I can save 1/6 of my total disk space just to play GT and I'm sure that every playstation owner will do the same, and every sony fan will buy a slim ( it's ugly and still big, but it's cheaper and as a big HD. ), let's celebrate the facts with a big barbecue, using 360's as coal.....

PS: Sorry if my expectations are poisoning the comments...can't wait for GT, I have the money, I will have time to play and a powerfull internet connection to play online.....even my new girlfriend likes GT......this will be the most unforgettable GT title.....:)👍👍👍👍

I will stop posting...nothing can take out my enthusiam.....:)
 
Dan_
Well, real fans don't mind to erase other game data just to enjoy the most fantastic racing game ever made.....
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Apparently everyone isn't a real fan then. I just want to play the game, not nuke all my other game data.
 
OMG PD and SONY are in such a trouble. People are already starting to overhype. And it's still 4 months till the Japan release, who knows when the US will be. I myself am looking forward to the game with great eagerness, but do yourselves a favor and find something else to live for too, because we all may be in for a surprise when the merchandise comes. I do not doubt KY's professionalism and desire to perfect things out, but I can already hear the moaning of thousands about things they thought and dreamed would be executed in a different manner.
 
snoopybg
OMG PD and SONY are in such a trouble.
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I sincerely doubt it. People are still moaning about GT4, and yet it's still selling, and has sold outrageously well.

People know what to expect from Kaz and his team by now, and yet, we're still astounded every time we get some serious news and the intranet melts down from the chatter. I'd say the trouble SONY is in, is making sure there are enough copies available at launch.
 
Dan_
Yes, you're right, but I never said that doubling the polygon number would double the disk size of each car, I'm an IT professional and I can tell you for sure, that the polygons are merely numeric data that won't use a very large amount of space(the rendering engine does all the hard work, it's just processing power to transform polygon coordinates in tridimensional objects...and we have Cell....:) ), however, if the polygon count is increased the texture resolution must be improved to take some advantage of this, and eventually the tracks must be perfected even more to accomplish Kaz standards and to match the improved looks of the cars, so there's a whole set of things which affect the game size, so problably the tracks, or the rendering and physics engines must be saved on disc, and don't forget the livery editor, maybe a track editor and plus a ton of free movies for GTTV, some top gear episodes, making-offs, interviews, improved sound simulation......:crazy:

The game will be huge, and if you look carefully you can see that 50GB isn't too much disk space, imagine each asphalt imperfection and detail of a 20km long German track printed in a high resolution texture....I can be wrong, but, man....this will require a HUGE disk share...so maybe up to 20GB of hard disk usage isn't an unreal forecast......
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You are right, but my comment wasn't directed at you in any way. I was replying to the post directly above mine, hence there being no quotes.

Dan_
Well, real fans don't mind to erase other game data just to enjoy the most fantastic racing game ever made.....and remember, this is the first game to use the PS3 hardware with this intensity, I have a Slim 120GB ps3, and IMO, GT5 will be a real console seller as FF and GOWIII will do the same, so I can save 1/6 of my total disk space just to play GT and I'm sure that every playstation owner will do the same, and every sony fan will buy a slim ( it's ugly and still big, but it's cheaper and as a big HD. ), let's celebrate the facts with a big barbecue, using 360's as coal.....

PS: Sorry if my expectations are poisoning the comments...can't wait for GT, I have the money, I will have time to play and a powerfull internet connection to play online.....even my new girlfriend likes GT......this will be the most unforgettable GT title.....:)👍👍👍👍

I will stop posting...nothing can take out my enthusiam.....:)
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Nope, it would be stupid for GT5 to require a 20GB install. Some of the "real fans" might not mind, but not every fan has 20GB spare, not every fan wants to delete data from games like MGS4 and other top games they might have stored. Besides that, the die hard fans make up a very small percent of overall sales, Sony isn't looking for what the most dedicated fans are happy to do, they're looking at what the majorty are happy to do. It would seem obvious to me that a 20GB install or any install that goes into silly sizes would alienate a lot of people who either can't, or don't want to do that.
 
1st: WRC
2nd: NASCAR
3rd: Road Race
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nah... What for? 3 discs for the same thing of one? not worth it...

But, for me, the special edition should contain:
- GT5 Metallic box
- PSN code for bonus cars
- PSN Code for golden and platinum paint for all cars
- Bonus Disc with soundtrack, make off's, GT TV content, etc.
- Other Bonus Disc with a controllable 3D gallery and database about all cars present in GT5. And if GT5 were to have DLC's, this "database" would also be always up-to-date to it.

That would be the perfect GT5 Collector's Edition
 
You don't have to delete game saves from you HDD, but rather uninstall the games. If you need room for GT5 and you don't play GTA IV any more, just uninstall GTA IV and you'll get quite a few GB back. Your game saves won't be lost at all. They aren't connected. Once you reinstall GTA IV, your game is saved where you were last.
 
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Dave A
Nope, it would be stupid for GT5 to require a 20GB install. Some of the "real fans" might not mind, but not every fan has 20GB spare...
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Oh yeah, there's still exist 40GB PS3 in use, i forgot this detail.....well, 20GB is nothing too big, but when it means fifty percent of your disk space, yes it's a significant amount...

Heheh, Dave A i'm not taking it personal, relax, but I just haven't noticed the post above yours....my apologies.......

For the guy from Sofia ( I forgot the nickname ), there's no reason to throw flames in the members who still waiting eagerly fot the game, I've bought a PS3 ONLY to play GT5 and MGS4, that's why I'm a member of the forum and that's the ONLY game I'm waiting for.....what I do with my life it's my problem and everyone else has nothing to care about that.......therefore, as a member, show some respect for the others....( and yes, this IS personal).
 
Dan_
Oh yeah, there's still exist 40GB PS3 in use, i forgot this detail.....well, 20GB is nothing too big, but when it means fifty percent of your disk space, yes it's a significant amount...
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What about the 20GB sold PS3's in the US, thats more than 100% considering you don't get 20GB free space with a fresh 20GB PS3.
 
Dan_
Heheh, Dave A i'm not taking it personal, relax, but I just haven't noticed the post above yours....my apologies.......

For the guy from Sofia ( I forgot the nickname ), there's no reason to throw flames in the members who still waiting eagerly fot the game, I've bought a PS3 ONLY to play GT5 and MGS4, that's why I'm a member of the forum and that's the ONLY game I'm waiting for.....what I do with my life it's my problem and everyone else has nothing to care about that.......therefore, as a member, show some respect for the others....( and yes, this IS personal).
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I wasn't taking it personal, nor did I intend to sound as though I was. I was simply dissagreeing with what you said about 20GB install. If I did sound blunt then I apologise, but it's because I'm typing on the internet. Also in case it came across wrong, I wasn't calling you stupid, simply from a marketing perspecivie the idea of a game requing a 20GB install. nothing more than that ;).
 

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