Gran Turismo 7 1.59 Update Now Available

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Famine
That's not... quite the point I made.
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Famine
...almost everything else is basically the same size*, layout†, and engine configuration.

It'll probably drive quite like the also FR old one, sound quite like the V8 old one, and other than knowing you're in the newer car it'll be quite like driving the old one - and when it's stickered up in your favourite Red Bull/Monster Energy livery it won't even look that different.
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We would very much be able to discern all of these differences. When you say "they're basically the same" that says to me you won't be able to tell the difference between them.

I know you "covered" some of the vehicle changes, but the Corvette, Ferrari, M3, AM Vantage, Porsche and Mustang all feature HUGE changes in chassis, powerplants, drivetrains and layouts. Hell, you say the Mclaren is the "biggest change" when the Corvette went from FR to MR! Literally one of the largest and most publicized chassis changes in automotive history.

Without detailing everything that's hugely different in the last 5-10 years of GT series cars, my point still stands. Saying things like:

Famine
...any new GT3/Gr.3 would just replace an existing one, and its performance would be dictated by the one-size-fits-all BOP. Most will drive and sound very, very similarly, and little would change except knowing that you're in a newer (but still at least two years out of date) car.
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... is factually wrong, and not representative of the opinions many of us hold for good reason. BoP being a thing means nothing in the context of the differences the new cars represent.

Like I said, a lot of us will appreciate the newer cars. You? Evidently, not so much. And that's why, to me, your opinion holds no weight when it comes to the importance of modern GT cars and the very valid argument that they would be important additions to GT7.
 
My thoughts:

Honda CRV e:HEV EX Black Edition 2021: UPDATED-> What I see here is a good custom race farmer by using the "Fool the game's PP calculations" method along with racing with powerful cars with their Max Speed limited. Who knows, gonna try it out! The lower the initial PP, the better it works, I'd say!

Suzuki Carry KC 2012: I'm an enjoyer of these. Extra points if it comes with an engine swap!

Ferrari 812 Superfast 2017: Neat!! Looking forward to driving it!!

Chevrolet Corvette (C5) Z06: A gap well filled!
 
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LSFDRX
When you say "they're basically the same"
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Which I didn't, unless you crop the sentence down fore and aft and replace a word I used with one I didn't.

Of the eight new (wholly new homologation), non-Evo GT3 cars, there's two that don't meet one of the three subsequent criteria within the uncropped sentence - hence the "almost everything else" cropped out. The other six are all at least one of the same size, layout, or engine configuration, that was cropped off the end, and commonly more than one of those three.

The two exceptions are the Bentley, which I mentioned and has no current equivalent in the game (and the brand is entirely absent anyway) and the Corvette, which I did very specifically mention...
Famine
† Except the Z06 GT3.R, and boy are we never getting that one.
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... and that was the reason for excluding it from further consideration.

Whatever the reason that the C5-R was the last official GT class Corvette race car we've had - and there's a generally held belief that P&M wouldn't licence the C6 for some reason, and then took permanent umbrage at GT5's C6 RM with their logos on it (🥶), however true that is - we can seemingly consign the C8 GT3.R to the same "chances are slimmer than Cillian Murphy in the 28 Years Later trailer" bin as Silverstone and SCG.

The six remaining non-Evos in current homologation are:
Aston Martin Vantage - same FR layout and approximate size as the V12 Vantage (though a longer wheelbase)
BMW M4 GT3 - same FR layout and approximate size as the M6 GT3
Ferrari 296 GT3 - same MR layout as the 458
Ford Mustang GT3 - same FR layout, engine configuration (though a defined 5.4, as opposed to "-"), and approximate size as the Mustang Gr.3
McLaren 720S GT3 - same MR layout and engine configuration (3.8 up to 4.0, woo!) as the 650S*
Porsche 99x GT3.R - same approximate size and engine configuration as the (GTE) 991 RSR

For the most part they should drive in a similar manner; the Ferrari's switch to V6 turbo, the Porsche's change in engine position, and the 720S's considerable change in width and track width might be interesting developments. That aside, we know what would happen as a result of bringing these six new cars in - even all at once (unlikely) - because we've seen it with the Evo models: they'd get stuffed into BOP, take up more or less the same spot in the pecking order as the old one, and the old one gets nerfed and dropped down the order to never be used in an online event again. That's about as close to a like-for-like substitution as it gets; they're not so much new cars as they are replacements for old ones, and at that point it's just about aesthetics.

BOP is, of course, not the be-all and end-all. There are many offline races where the Gr.3s are not constrained by it (and they can be tuned), and there's lobbies where anything can go, but the primary function and use of Gr.3s is Daily Race C (occasionally B) and apparently now 66% of the GT World Series where BOP applies.

Of course that's good news for the M4 GT3, which would probably take up the M6 GT3's spot as meta half the time.
LSFDRX
Like I said, a lot of us will appreciate the newer cars. You? Evidently, not so much.
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Again, that requires you to understand something very different to what I said, like your earlier assertions that I couldn't tell the difference and that nobody should be interested in them - neither of which are things I said. Given that I also very overtly said I'd like to see the 720S GT3 (as I did last time this topic came up), it's weird to state that I evidently wouldn't appreciate newer GT3 cars...

I'm addressing the relative merit of adding them into the game as the game stands, neither mentioning my feelings on the matter or what specific individuals may get out of it (I'm sure many of us here could tell the difference between the current Vantage GT3 and the previous one; we're not a big slice of the game's playerbase, even corrected for active players), nor what other people should and should not want. That's up to them.

I also addressed the relative likelihood, as it seems PD is perfectly content with the almost 30 brands and more than 50 cars in the class already - only adding two actual GT3s as far as I can recall, along with a couple of Evo models (which don't count when people don't want them to count), some VGTs, four concepts (Supra, RX-Vision, Ford GT Test Car, and Genesis) and some classic GT cars (two Skylines, a Supra, and an NSX) shoe-horned into the category since GT Sport launched...

Personally, I just don't see new GT3s happening at all in GT7 and absolutely not en masse. I also think that people who believe that they're all being saved up for GT8 are going to be disappointed and very cross about it (though I don't see the point of being cross about it).

But one of the two added since 2017 was the RC F, a year after its GT3 homologation, so you know, maybe there's a chance.


Apropos of personal choices, if I were to pick any one individual modern racing car to be added to the game I'd probably say the Maserati MC20 GT2, but I can't imagine how they'd fit it in the game so really it has the same problem: the game's structure.

I do like some of the LMH/LMDH cars - Valkyrie, obviously, but the Cadillac, 963, and Genesis too - but I'm not a fan of driving any of the Gr.1s for any length of time.


*Unsurprisingly the same wheelbase and length too, but massively wider
 
Sucks that the CR-V is a CVT considering how few power upgrades PD gives CVTs. They have gas engines, why can't they be turbocharged? We should also be able to change their transmissions to give them gears. Just make those upgrades more expensive for those cars to reflect that it would be more tricky to realistically install them
 
I get the "we need newer Gr.3 cars in the game" discussion. But I also believe GT7 is just not that game. GT spreads its interest in cars very widely across all genres, sizes and ages. This means that if you focus on a specific genre and age, e.g. the latest Gr.3 cars, you will very likely be disappointed.

I am not saying that "If YoU dOn'T LiKe iT dOn'T pLaY iT!!!". I very much understand that if you like the ways Gran Turismo does things, you "need" your preferred cars in this very game. However, Gr.X racing is pretty much an own genre, covered in titles like Assetto Corsa Competizione. A full integration of that whole genre into a game like Gran Turismo, which focuses on so many other genres at the same time, is a big ask.
 
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Thing is, it was fine for GT Sport. I mean, not fine for those that wanted more road cars because, there were too many race cars for them and kind of up to date and future race cars were too much as they took slots away from road cars that could have been. Then, players cried because Gran Turismo(Sport) is not Assetto Corsa or Project Cars or iRacing, etc.

PD(probably more like Kaz) see the way the want to balance the car list. If people were up in arms about the race cars and barely use Spot Mode portion that PD invested heavily in race cars, I can see why it looks like they’ve taken a break from that discipline.

Hey, maybe PD are working on a way to bring back the Racing Modification option with full race spec internals. We’re nearly there anyway.
 
05XR8
Thing is, it was fine for GT Sport. I mean, not fine for those that wanted more road cars because, there were too many race cars for them and kind of up to date and future race cars were too much as they took slots away from road cars that could have been. Then, players cried because Gran Turismo(Sport) is not Assetto Corsa or Project Cars or iRacing, etc.

PD(probably more like Kaz) see the way the want to balance the car list. If people were up in arms about the race cars and barely use Spot Mode portion that PD invested heavily in race cars, I can see why it looks like they’ve taken a break from that discipline.

Hey, maybe PD are working on a way to bring back the Racing Modification option with full race spec internals. We’re nearly there anyway.
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I would totally like when PD adds some road car for example BMW M4 "oink" edition then PD could add a "blank" proper racing variant Gr3 and Gr4 (might aswell since they doing those racing parts anyway) - imho most people wouldnt care if the interior of those race cars wouldn't be 1:1 with the real cockpits
 
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LSFDRX
"shouldn't care about new race cars 'cuz they're all the same"
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Idealy the cars would be all the same.
That would both be the case when BoP works perfectly (not 100% equal), or the cars are just looking differently.
And about the point of car enthusiasts: Gr.3 cars in the game are not the same as their real world counterpart unless that per chance the games BoP is equal to how the car is created (and BoPed) for RL races.
 
05XR8
Thing is, it was fine for GT Sport. I mean, not fine for those that wanted more road cars because, there were too many race cars for them and kind of up to date and future race cars were too much as they took slots away from road cars that could have been. Then, players cried because Gran Turismo(Sport) is not Assetto Corsa or Project Cars or iRacing, etc.

PD(probably more like Kaz) see the way the want to balance the car list. If people were up in arms about the race cars and barely use Spot Mode portion that PD invested heavily in race cars, I can see why it looks like they’ve taken a break from that discipline.

Hey, maybe PD are working on a way to bring back the Racing Modification option with full race spec internals. We’re nearly there anyway.
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I'm honestly hoping. I'm holding out that the next game has more to offer in terms of car variety and track count. I think if we had decent race conversions that let us make our street cars Gr. 4 or Gr. 3 spec cars, it would alleviate some of the woes of not having updated race cars folks are wishing for (Provided PD gives us more modern street car variants of those race cars) Plus, with Sophy in custom races, I feel they can really expound on that and flesh out that portion of the game. Maybe bring back the Championship generator or make a custom Championship builder that generates its own cash rewards. Idk, wishful thinking per usual by me.
 
As someone who loves recreating race cars using the road going versions i would love to be able to make them fully fledged race cars. We only really need the ability to increase fuel capacity and if we could reclassify them as gr3, gr4 etc it would be even better.

The interior of the car doesn’t really bother me
 
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Car prices:
  • Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '01 - 65,000 Cr.
  • Ferrari 812 Superfast '17 - 550,000 Cr.
  • Honda CR-V e:HEV EX・Black Edition '21 - 46,000 Cr.
  • Suzuki Carry KC '12 - 7,600 Cr.
Events:

Lightweight K-Cup

Eiger Nordwand - 6 laps, 75,000 Cr.

American Clubman Cup 700

Interglagos - 5 laps, 68,000 Cr.

Ferrari Circuit Challenge

Deep Forest - 6 laps, 90,000 Cr.
 
The GT3 cars we have right now were certainly more “current” when they were introduced in GTS. They’re just reaaaaally old now. My problem is that instead of transitioning to a newer set of GT3s PD have introduced even older models to the pool in GT7. (NSX/Supra/GTR)

I agree to an extent that GT is not “that” game, but GR3 is also by far the most popular class for online racing.

Baseless prediction: we will get a new set of GR3 cars in GT8.
 
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Prices for Legend Cars (Hagerty Collection) have been revised based on real-life valuations from Gran Turismo partner, Hagerty, which provides valuations and vehicle insurance for classic cars and has sponsored historic car events in recent years. New prices will be applied the next time a vehicle goes on sale. The next price revision is scheduled for September 2025.
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Thankfully, we have something to talk about in this update after all... 🤪

Here are full patch notes:
www.gran-turismo.com

Update Notice (1.59) - Update - Gran Turismo 7 - gran-turismo.com

A new update for Gran Turismo 7 has been released. The following is a list of the main features and adjustments introduced.Main Features Implemented1．Cars- The following four cars have been added:　・Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (C5) '01　 (Sold in 'Brand Central' and at the 'Used Cars'...
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DapperDan07
As someone who loves recreating race cars using the road going versions i would love to be able to make them fully fledged race cars. We only really need the ability to increase fuel capacity and if we could reclassify them as gr3, gr4 etc it would be even better.

The interior of the car doesn’t really bother me
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It’s funny how PD are flipping it to give us the race cars with engine swaps. It’s like making a road car into a race car. Seems wacky, but it’s actually allowing road cars to be competitive in terms of fuel consumption. Just tune the engine in the swapped race car to suit.
 
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05XR8
:lol: What’d I say?

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Such a shame only the ECUs are the only power upgrades.
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It's a little bit silly to give us these insane, outlandish custom parts with literally zero tuning potential. Same goes for the C-HR.

I really really really hope the hybrid and electric cars gain a lot more tuning potential in GT8, because let's face it these are going to be the starter cars going forward. We've even got a Honda-Mazda-Toyota trio going on with the crossovers, just like GT7's starters.
 
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WolfpackS2k
I don't get all the obsession with GT3 cars. The game, as a whole, isn't GT3 centric so why would it be a priority to have many (some? lol) current GT3 cars? I enjoy the wide variety of different race cars that PD introduces into the game, even if at times they are super head scratchers in their methods (i.e. only two "official" DTM cars, but from vastly different time periods so impossible to race together)
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Well there is different kinds of players in this game. Some may play to fool around on a souped Renault kangoo. And some play for dailies /gtws or private leagues. In my view of things GT is an eSports title meant to race competitively like iracing ACC ir LMU with the expected differences in physics and overall simplicity of the simulations.

To me this is still a racing game. And racing games need race cars. This game has more road cars than race cars. In that regard the only new recent additions are the new formula and the NSX 08 Gr3. When was the last race car added prior to that?


I couldn't care less for another boaty road car or family SUV. If I wanted that I got Forza Horizon. At least there is open roads there.
 
I see the Escudo got a swap. I guess we won't have to worry about the turbo lag anymore with the swap I'm assuming as I haven't tried it out yet
 

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