Gran Turismo 7 Confirmed to also launch on PlayStation 4, is a cross-gen title

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 7' started by Vspectra, Jun 2, 2021.

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Are you disappointed GT7 is also on PS4 with gameplay & graphic assets held back by PS4 limitations?

  1. Yes I am disappointed. I wanted to play a true next-gen GT7 with physics & graphics designed for PS5

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  2. No, I am not disappointed, I am okay with a cross-gen GT7

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  1. Nowax

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    Here in my country also shows it correctly, I think it's global, not sure why @hardvibes has it different than ours.

    Also, notice that typo, instead of "Confirmar" it says "Confirmer" lol IMG_20210610_121801.jpg
     
  2. Yard_Sale

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    At any rate, I hope that someone from PD and Sony is monitoring this thread.

    lots of good feedback and suggestions here from diehard GT fans, tech gurus, and casual gamers.

    hopefully it’s a PS5 exclusive and they just delay it however long it takes to keep it that way.

    but if they do make it a cross console game, hopefully they make smart concessions we can all live in.

    personally, if GT7 falls flat, it’ll end up costing me a couple grand. I’ll be going the PC route .


    Please Sony don’t force me to spend that much money!!
     
  3. Scaff

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    Not really, they might if directly asked. Then again we (GTP) did directly ask them (in regard to GT7 and it being PS4 and PS5), and basically got a 'no comment'!

    So they seem quite happy to let confusion play out right now.


    From both a PR and potentially a legal standpoint it makes sense.
     
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  4. synon

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    Yes I agree it's possible the complexity of the calculations could be similar, but I assume when some people say they are looking for improvements it's that they want things to move further towards the sim end of the spectrum.

    There's also the possibilty that there could be larger grid sizes on the PS5, so requiring more computation, and also perhaps a 120fps mode needing a faster rate of calculation.
     
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  5. GingerBredMan

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    I feel sorry for the person stuck with that job :lol:
     
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    Legal as in a sticker on the case pointing out the differences between versions?
     
  7. Scaff

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    May not be enough in all markets, it's a global product, if it doesn't fly in every market it's getting sold in, then it can be done in any of them.

    Aside from advertising legislation I'm sure Sony are also very, very conscious of the class action law suits CD Project Red are currently fighting (and which saw Cyberpunk removed from the PSN Store), and those were just as a result of differing performance levels, not even missing features.

    It's a legal and legislative minefield on a global basis, being honest I wouldn't blame any business of being wary of going near it at all.
     
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  8. VR DRIVER

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    Yes a bit crazy, because I hope the status doesn't change! :lol:
     
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  9. karelpipa

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    As i am now in 3rd stage of grief, i am open to bargaining :)
    I would accept GT7 on PS4 ONLY if there are 100% of classic tracks from previous games. Mainly from GT1/GT2 and also lots and lots of cars with racing modifications. And many many other small things like actual AI which can race with you. NO rabbit races and preferably championships, not single races (accessible number of championships driven at one time would be unlimited in that case). I can help Kaz! :)

    Something tells me this will not happen :( And i would sorely miss daytimes and changeable weather.
     
  10. Eunos_Cosmo

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    I don't want to beat the CPU horse further to death, but I found this old post regarding the physics refresh rate of various titles. Rigs of Rods & Beam NG are might impressive.

    Annoyingly, no GT titles are listed and I couldn't find anything searching. Anyone know what the refresh rate of the GT Sport engine is? I wonder if AC runs the same rate on PS4 as it does on PC - I would assume it does. Lower than optimal refresh rate could explain GT Sport's odd interaction with curbs.
     
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  11. MIE1992

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    With the recent report that the newly-announced Battlefield 2042 will have double the players on PS5, I just might wait to get a PS5 at some point. So if GT7 is also cross-gen, I may as well get the PS5 version, as I expect there to be notable differences judging from what I heard about each version of BF2042.
     
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  12. Doomotron

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    That would make it a downgrade on every GT game since Gran Turismo 4...
     
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  13. Vspectra

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    If a new GT8 does come out on PS5, it probably won't come out until 4 years after GT7's 2022 launch, which means we won't be getting a true next-gen GT until the year 2026 at the earliest, with PD stuck making dlc updates and tracks for PS4 GT7 for years post-launch. Which goes back to the cycle of whether Polyphony will just port all of these cross-gen assets they made for GT7 or start over from scratch. I don't know where people are getting the idea Polyphony is capable of making two different game assets optimized for two different console generations. They were already re-using 3d models of building props from PS3 GT6 for PS4 GTSport dlc to save development time.

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    Someone brought up the new Battlefield game not being next-gen only but that game is releasing this year and EA cranks out those games almost every one to two years with heavy reliance on outsourcing and multiple studios; the wait for a new Battlefield game is hardly bad. Only the latest one took 3 years as they upgraded their engine into Frostbite 4 and preparing the dev environment for next-gen. The Frostbite engine team alone is 100-200 people, almost half or all of Polyphony's manpower just for engine development.
     
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  14. VR DRIVER

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    Yes and the bad Thing is, at this time the PS6 is knocking on the door and Enthusiast are getting mad, that there are no real Next Gen GT is seeing the light.
    An early Launch like from GT3 is better than a late Launch. When the Hype of a new generation is still there. To release a next gen Game at the end of a console life circle is a very bad decision.
     
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  15. awaite85

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    Are they talking a ps4 version due to lack of PS5's not being widely available? Seems silly to produce a ps4 version.
     
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  16. sirjim73

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    Do we think that, instead of a trailer, we might get a Kaz tweet with a silhouette showing two partly hidden Playstation boxes... and then have to guess what they are? :sly:
     
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  17. Corsa

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    Software should always progress with the hardware, not the other way round. A bit like Bugatti phoning you for delivery, then casually mentioning they had to run drum brakes to meet supplier and revenue needs.
     
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    Interesting analogy. I get your point and generally agree, however, not sure you'd get that from Bugatti, however there are multiple car manufacturers who have stopped building and selling certain models or features that use lots of chips "to meet supplier needs"...

    For example, if you're American, your last 2? SUVs probably had auto stop/start. Your next one wont have that feature this year...

    https://eu.freep.com/story/money/ca.../08/gm-pickups-suvs-chip-shortage/7601235002/

    Vehicle software IS going backwards and has been going backwards all year due to (supplier needs) chip shortages.
     
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  19. ICEYOU95

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    Not even close, but to each his own.
     
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  20. BigSarj

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    Thank goodness. I want my next car to have power windows, CD player, and that's it.
     
  21. Nielsen

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    Why would a PS4 version necessarily compromise the PS5 version? GT3 looked better than GT4 on the PS2 and GT5 looked and performed better than GT6 on the PS3. So I wouldn't be surprised if a PS4 version of GT7 would repeat this story against GT Sport, but with the PS5 version of GT7 being the new-generation experience it was always intended to be, cross-generation or not.
     
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  22. CLowndes888

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    All we ever do as GT fans is wait. We want a next generation experience NOW, not in 5 years. Sony should take the plunge and forget about cross-gen.

    How about leather seats? (I hope you get the reference)
     
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  23. TheErik

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    Looks a bit like a Jaguar to me.
     
  24. SnakeOfBacon

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    I don't wanna talk about it any more!
     
  25. RandomCarGuy17

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    The only way I see a crossgen GT7 working is if Polyphony is NOT the only one developing GT7 (which I'm guessing won't happen). Which means one development team would work on PS4 version of GT7 and PD themselves would tackle the PS5.

    Basically a similar case to what happened with the original Test Drive Unlimited and Forza Horizon 2. PD could engage in any incredible experiments making use of the PS5 and people not ready for the PS5 can still play the newest GT. Though it would be watered down a bit compared to the PS5 version.
     
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  26. BigSarj

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    This is my hope. That some brilliant team of software engineers perform some technical wizardry but it's not looking like the numbers add up.
     
  27. Corsa

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    Would take years as they would have to build two separate physics models assuming Polyphony were trying to use the PS5 to (insert your gran turismo physics opinion here) or use mine…modernize the real driving simulators tire model.
    I’m not sure Polyphony is ready to let a 3rd party cut into their c++ efforts for a simpler back end PS4 version.
     
  28. snc

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    It was answered dozen of time here, and if you dont understand hardware at least you should understand that when same team has to now work not on one version but 3 (ps5, ps4, ps4pro) has less time and resources to focus on one and polyphony isnt fastest dev team on planet
     
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    Congratulations on getting something so spectacularly wrong with just your 3rd post
     
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    This entire thread...

    https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/driveclub-scenery.320510/

    ...illustrates just how wrong that claim is in regard to environments.

    DC has 3d volumetric clouds, and fully modelled environments, oh and don't forget the real-time lighting as opposed to GTS's pre-baked stuff.

    https://blog.playstation.com/archive/2014/06/05/51-driveclub-details-might-just-blow-mind/
     
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