Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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AmyUD06
Are all things that are yellow bananas? Just because it has one factor common to live service games, does not make it a live service game.

You pay full normal retail price at purchase and actual content updates are free. That leans very heavily against the GaaS model.
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Under "forms of live service games" it lists micro-transaction as one of the examples of a live service game. I mean, you posted the proof yourself.

And your analogy doesn't work, because the definition of a live service game isn't unambiguous. A yellow banana is a yellow banana, and that has nothing to do with anything else yellow or the fact that it's still a banana. Haha.

Here's some quotes from the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a published and peer-reviewed paper cited in the very article you posted:

"those with a long-term iteration strategy of periodic content increments qualify as service games."

"...towards a player-centric model based on updates, recurring revenues and player retention."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9420891/


Whether or not we have to pay for the DLC doesn't matter, regular DLC itself makes a game live service.

Thanks for the break from boring medical research... now, back to it.
 
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RACECAR
Interestingly though (at least last I read), Sony themselves do NOT consider Gran Turismo 7 as a Live service game so take from that what you will...
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The mention of Live Service reminded me of this from a couple years ago. There's a chance the term was misused or potentially lost in translation, but this is Kaz referring to GT7 as a Live Service himself:
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Dear Gran Turismo Community,Thank you for your continued support and feedback on Gran Turismo 7, your voices have not gone unheard. I would like to apologise for the frustration and confusion caused last week with our updates which resulted in not only a server outage but also adjustments to the...
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It's perhaps not a conventional Live Service, which might be why Sony wouldn't consider it as such going by what you said.
The "Weekly Challenges" do kinda function like a miniature Battle Pass of sorts though, so there's that. Could even be argued that the rotating Seasonal Events from GT5 & GT6 also made them Live Services to an extent.

Tangent point.

Because someone will probably bring it up, those 24 Hour endurance races that are mentioned in the screenshot are probably being waited on until the reintroduction of B-Spec, so the A.I. can take some of the driving stints, and the ability to save progress mid-race like you could back on GT5 (wasn't a launch feature).
The B-Spec point in turn is waiting on Sophy A.I. development, which is likely what changed the 24H races from being "near-term updates," as this announcement predates any plans for the A.I. to my knowledge.

The point that's perhaps overlooked in that statement is that those 24H races will be Missions, meaning if they are like other Mission events they will be one-time prize payouts. However this statement was a couple years ago, so plans may have changed since then. We do have that Spa 1H race in the regular career mode after all, which is replayable for credits.
 
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Famine
If it arrives in January, why would it be closer to the truth to say it's February?

Is today Tuesday to you?
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Today is Tuesday indeed 😊

But on a serious note, there's the old expression of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. By the letter of the law, PD are indeed correct when they say "Coming January"
However, take it one step further and post the SPECIFIC release date. Rather than leaving it open for interpretation. Could it be 2nd, 9th, 16th, etc?
 
Ryan81
Today is Tuesday indeed 😊

But on a serious note, there's the old expression of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. By the letter of the law, PD are indeed correct when they say "Coming January"
However, take it one step further and post the SPECIFIC release date. Rather than leaving it open for interpretation. Could it be 2nd, 9th, 16th, etc?
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In all those years you haven't noticed that the GT7 update is usually the last Thursday of the month? What else have you been missing?
 
I can see the thinking of "It's a January update that you only spend 3 or 4 days in January being able to play" perhaps not making sense, as you spend more of your time with the January content in February.
Leading to it at least feeling more like a February update.

Also the October content update (2 updates ago) was released on the first week of the month. Personally I prefer it that way, but it's not too big of a deal unless it's used to make the gaps between content updates artificially look smaller than they really are.
The gap between the October & November updates wasn't 30 days. It was 49. But just hearing "October & November updates" makes it seem like less of a gap.
 
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Freeman_Cruz
As highlighted in SONY's latest presentation, Polyphony is described as an evolving studio rather than one focused on live-service models

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It being in the "Evolving / Multi-Genre" category to me means it's a bit of both. Partially Single Player, partially Live Service. Neither are the sole "focus" of the game, but it still has elements of both.
 
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Ryan81
Good advice. I'm definitely not holding my breath. The fact that the Ioniq N is the car which is being showcased, suggests the other two might not be too interesting.
But hey, let's hope for something good.
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I don’t really see the Ioniq 5 N as being very interesting on its own. It feels like one of those necessary evil additions being done to nurture a partnership, and I don’t think it’s significant enough to rule out another car that is a bit more conventionally desirable. The again, last year’s January update was an absolute turd.
eran0004
How would the end of January be closer to February than to January?
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It’s not closer, but January will be over by the time most people actually get to dive into the update for real. It’s interesting how they usually don’t release these updates at the beginning of months, because then they could just name it the February update and make it feel like it actually was.
 
Ryan81
But on a serious note, there's the old expression of the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law. By the letter of the law, PD are indeed correct when they say "Coming January"
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Soooo... it's not "closer to the truth" to say February for something that actually happens in January then?


"My February mortgage payment? I paid it in January. Right at the end of January, so it's closer to the truth to say February..."
"You've done what to my credit score?"
Ryan81
However, take it one step further and post the SPECIFIC release date. Rather than leaving it open for interpretation. Could it be 2nd, 9th, 16th, etc?
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Why does that matter? Who else releases a monthly-ish update and calls it the Day/Month update?

Since you enjoy truth and accuracy, you should be well aware of the fact that it's the publisher (or, more probably, the publisher's PR team as okayed by the publisher) that does stuff like naming the updates after the month in which they arrive, and not the developer. That's SIE, not PD.
 
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Freeman_Cruz
As highlighted in SONY's latest presentation, Polyphony is described as an evolving studio rather than one focused on live-service models

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Bend also in that category and they were working on a live service game. Bluepoint listed as a partner because at the time they were supporting the GoW developers, and then were working on a live service game.

That graphic is rather out-of-date.
 
Nielsen
I don’t really see the Ioniq 5 N as being very interesting on its own. It feels like one of those necessary evil additions being done to nurture a partnership, and I don’t think it’s significant enough to rule out another car that is a bit more conventionally desirable. The again, last year’s January update was an absolute turd.

It’s not closer, but January will be over by the time most people actually get to dive into the update for real. It’s interesting how they usually don’t release these updates at the beginning of months, because then they could just name it the February update and make it feel like it actually was.
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See, that's very reasonable thinking. Everyone will be playing it in February, save for that one day so saying that it's a February update is not too much of a stretch imo.
But some people like being pedantic and argumentative even though, I think, deep down, they understand the gist of what I wanted to convey. But hey, I just can't be bothered to argue 🤣
 
Ryan81
Everyone will be playing it in February, save for that one day so saying that it's a February update is not too much of a stretch imo.
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If it arrives on January 30th, as expected, it'll be just a little over one day for Australia/New Zealand, most of two days for Europe, and almost two entire days for much of the USA. Indeed because the PS Blog posts are written in the Pacific time zone, it's often listed as a day earlier because the update arrives around 10pm the previous day.
Ryan81
But some people like being pedantic and argumentative even though, I think, deep down, they understand the gist of what I wanted to convey. But hey, I just can't be bothered to argue 🤣
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Nope. You're saying it's "closer to the truth" to say the last two days of January are actually February. That's about as dumb a thing as I've seen typed out.
 
Ryan81
Good advice. I'm definitely not holding my breath. The fact that the Ioniq N is the car which is being showcased, suggests the other two might not be too interesting.
But hey, let's hope for something good.
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We already know that the F3500A is coming too, and also don't know how many cars will be in the update.

Nielsen
I don’t really see the Ioniq 5 N as being very interesting on its own. It feels like one of those necessary evil additions being done to nurture a partnership, and I don’t think it’s significant enough to rule out another car that is a bit more conventionally desirable.
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Yeah, one of the most exciting EVs ever, one thats almost universally loved by many reputable race drivers, reviewers, and automotive experts, is only in here to "nurture a partnership".

For me, and all the other enthusiasts that aren't blinded by EV rage, the I5N is an exciting addition all on its own.

And people... the update is the JANUARY update. I don't know why anyone is arguing such a ridiculous point. If it releases at 11:59 on January 31st it it still unequivocally a JANUARY UPDATE.

People arguing that it's February are the same people that would say a 10.9 sec quarter mile is an 11, or that 99% is the same as 100%, and other completely bonkers nonsense. Just stop.
 
On the subject close to the Ioniq, I think it's interesting that a lot of the road cars we get recently are very much shared with what other racing games are getting. The Ioniq is in Forza Horizon and is confirmed for AC EVO, the Escort is already in AC EVO's early access, the 911 Turbo got added to FH just before, the Evo 8 is in a bunch of places. Even some of the cars that draw complaints aren't really GT-unique - Forza has both variants of the S14 Silvia, for instance, and everyone who licenses Volvo takes an '80s-'90s estate of some kind.

Generally, from what I can see, the actually "unique"/"weird" road cars we get are either a) from brands that aren't in other games at all (nobody else really licenses Suzuki or Tesla, for instance) or they are Toyotas. But outside of those two categories the road cars seem way more like what everybody else is adding than you'd perhaps think from reputation.
 
Theufcveteran
I don't think he was whinging. Good faith criticism isn't whinging. I love GT but it has critical issues that prevent it from becoming truly great, in my opinion.
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For me as long as viable solutions are offered, criticism is fine.
The issue with RoflWaffle was that he saw that the first negative GT7 video he made did well, and then it started coming across like he was cashing in on that negative sentiment.
That's why I encouraged him to make a video along the lines of "How I would design a racing game" to put a more constructive spin on it. There were probably others wanting a similar thing, and likely himself too, as he eventually made this:
 
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For me as long as viable solutions are offered, criticism is fine.
The issue with RoflWaffle was that he saw that the first negative GT7 video he made did well, and then it started coming across like he was cashing in on that negative sentiment.
That's why I encouraged him to make a video along the lines of "How I would design a racing game" to put a more constructive spin on it. There were probably others wanting a similar thing, and likely himself too, as he eventually made this:
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I see what you're saying, but I just think he had a long list of issues and wanted to cover them in separate videos. It's also possible he wanted to find a balance between growing a channel, where multiple videos does well, but not cutting up stuff just for the sake of it. Brevity is important imo, his videos are very tight in that sense. So I don't really have a problem with him splitting it up to talk about his grievances when each video still feels fully featured and is tight.

I really liked the My Version video as well. I can see how some would get a bit fatigued by the criticism. As someone who has issues with the game, the critique is something I don't mind watching, as it's quality content and I really enjoy his style of videos. But for those who feel like it's a bit much, I can see it. But I think that's more of a personal taste thing rather than a video quality thing. They are all well structured and good faith videos and it covered a wide variety of issues he had.

Variety is good indeed, don't get me wrong. Had it gone on for years, I would agree that it was time for a change. I just feel like it wasn't necessarily an objectively bad thing that he did a series on all of the issues he had with the game.

As someone who plays the UFC games, I could make like 8 long videos all on the game's issues, and going over ways to fix them. They, to me, are critical and important things that need changing. It'd be one thing if it was a minor thing that wasn't really a problem. But when they are fundamental game design or other significant problems, I don't think it is cashing in on the negative sentiment.

At the same time, I don't see the idea of splitting them up into multiple videos to be 100% cashing in. It's kind of both I think. You make the videos to begin with because you have issues you want to talk about. But also, if you want to grow your channel, putting the individual topics into separate videos is a good way to go, regardless of the sentiment around the game.
 
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Ryan81
They may as well have said it's coming February 🤣 That would be closer to the truth than January. Fingers crossed we get a decent update. They've had 3 months to come up with something.
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I guess I was born in 2001 then.

This is even worse than saying that free updates aren't free because you paid for the game and console. What blunt did you hit?
PSN offapple
For me as long as viable solutions are offered, criticism is fine.
The issue with RoflWaffle was that he saw that the first negative GT7 video he made did well, and then it started coming across like he was cashing in on that negative sentiment.
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Motivated by the recent development in US politics regarding Elon Musk (not the topic here), a number of popular Reddit subs appear to consider outright banning content from X (formerly Twitter). Today I saw redditors mention it in a discussion around Gran Turismo and Kaz' tweets about upcoming updates for GT7. Is this going to become a topic here on GTPlanet? Not so much in the forum, but in the News section? I often see X postings linked in the articles, and I wonder if this is going to change.
 
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ScottPuss20
I guess I was born in 2001 then.

This is even worse than saying that free updates aren't free because you paid for the game and console. What blunt did you hit?

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
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Never hitted a blunt in my life 🤣 Just imagine if I had done. Would be a complete psychopath 😜
 
the Interceptor
Today I saw redditors mention it in a discussion around Gran Turismo and Kaz' tweets about upcoming updates for GT7. Is this going to become a topic here on GTPlanet?
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People are free to discuss whatever, but if you mean our coverage of updates then no.
 

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