Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.36 Now Available: Adds Four Cars Including GR Corolla

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What's your favorite car in 1.36 (by any criteria you wish)?

  • Chevrolet Corvette C1 '58

    Votes: 50 20.1%
  • Maserati MC20 '20

    Votes: 94 37.8%
  • Toyota GR Corolla Morizo '22

    Votes: 33 13.3%
  • Toyota Himedic Ambulance '21

    Votes: 72 28.9%

  • Total voters
    249
  • Poll closed .
Are we predicting an Abrams tank for the September update? We got the Willy's Jeep. I think it's time we get the tank to go with it.
That's actually kind of good for you to bring up. All this B&M over the ambulance, yet the quirky Jeep has existed since day one and no one complained about it. Neither ambulance or Jeep are really cars you'd think of being in a racing game, but they sure can be some good fun! :D
 
Now that we have a Toyota ambulance, a Toyota military vehicle wouldn't be entirely far fetched.

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Well that and the fact military vehicles have been added to the series before including an Army Jeep in GT7 right now.

Controversial as in cars that don't fit the theme of the game, nor have any historical significance, nor are fun to drive, nor are special in anyway. The Alphard is the ugly van.
That's...that's just a flat out narrow-minded way to determine what cars belong in a game. Not to mention being absolutely subjective.

Any car can have historical significance, be special, or be fun to drive depending on the person. Including an "ugly van".
 
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The fun you have by driving the ambulance, you can get by driving virtually anything else.
Haha no. When I drove it for the first time I couldn't stop giggling, and laughed even more when I tuned it. It may not be the same type of fun as driving the MC20, C8 Corvette or Valkyrie, but it's still fun.
 
Cap. The livery making community is not the "wider community". Many liveries are posted by the same people.
The Alphard itself, is "popular" for two main reasons: for the meme/troll value (FakeTaxi, pedo vans, anime, and many other types of liveries) and for the size of the thing, having a lot of surface to work with. It's not because the car is cool, or good to drive, it's because it works as a giant moving billboard.
Although both (Alphard and HiMedic) are admittedly because of people using it as a canvas much like the Sambabus, you also need to take cruise lobbies into account where these two cars generally get driven, at least online. (Not to mention that requests for a racing engine swap for both vans are also a common request.)

(By the way, yes, that statistic was originally intended at you.)

EDIT: Also:
  • Taste is subjective.
  • Measuring how frequently requested a car not yet in the game is even harder, especially with people not really using the car suggestions forum anymore.
 
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I think, given how the single-player works and especially if you're someone immersed in Sport mode, it can be easy to forget sometimes that there's also a thriving lobby scene out there that don't actually circuit race or time trial the cars but do other things with them for their fun instead, and that's where the Himedic and vehicles of its ilk find a lot of usage.
 
We have nearly 500 cars with an ambulance in the middle. That's still nearly 499 non-ambulances for you to not complain about, surely...
We have nearly 1000 good cars missing. Most of which would be seen as a bigger priority over the ambulance. Of the nearly 500 cars, there are duplicates, VGTs, Gr.4 that are just slightly modified versions of the existing road car, and so on. Not every car, or every type of car, is everyone's cup of tea, which means, if a new player comes to the game, expecting it, being a 2022 game, to have a decent selection of modern cars, he/she will be disappointed. You don't solve this, by adding random stuff.
That's...that's just a flat out narrow-minded way to determine what cars belong in a game. Not to mention being absolutely subjective.

Any car can have historical significance, be special, or be fun to drive depending on the person. Including an "ugly van".
It's not really subjective. It's objective. The moment you don't have any criteria, you end up with a random assortment of things, and a lot of fans pissed off because less and less of their "favourites" are being added. And this has become the reality of this game. Fans of specific brands or specific types of cars expected to be in this kind of game, get completely shafted. This gets worse when you are limited to 60 cars per year, which PD doesn't even bother to achieve in GT7.

Meanwhile, historical significance is not subjective. Just because something is significant for you (lets say, your 20th birthday), doesn't mean it's significant to everybody else.
Specialness, is also not subjective. The Mazda 3 we got is not special, meanwhile the Mazda 3 MPS is.
Fun is subjective, sure. But is not limited to driving a specific car. There are cars that are more widely regarded as fun cars to drive than others, which means that, for the greater audience, they would be better additions to the game.

Haha no. When I drove it for the first time I couldn't stop giggling, and laughed even more when I tuned it. It may not be the same type of fun as driving the MC20, C8 Corvette or Valkyrie, but it's still fun.
Sure. People can find fun in virtually anything. Doesn't change the fact that, spending resources for a giggle and a laugh, isn't a smart way to do it. Having a pool in your home is fun, but if you don't have resources to complete building your house, you shouldn't spend them on a pool. GT7 doesn't have a great car list, being quite terrible for some brands and/or segments, so why not try to fix that first.

Although both (Alphard and HiMedic) are admittedly because of people using it as a canvas much like the Sambabus, you also need to take cruise lobbies into account where these two cars generally get driven, at least online. (Not to mention that requests for a racing engine swap for both vans are also a common request.)

(By the way, yes, that statistic was originally intended at you.)

EDIT: Also:
  • Taste is subjective.
  • Measuring how frequently requested a car not yet in the game is even harder, especially with people not really using the car suggestions forum anymore.
I used to play in cruise lobbies (and "cops and robbers" type of lobbies). It's still a niche playstyle, that can also be played using any other road car in the game. One of the best ways to enjoy such lobby, is having a great sounding car, and do flybys (overtaking) with it. Everytime you rev the engine, it's special. With that said, a good sounding car, is often a car that is somewhat fast, which means it has use on a racing game that goes beyond cruise lobbies.

Swaps aren't really an argument. PD could model any other car and give it a swap. A Ford RS200 with a Ford GT engine would be something amazing. But a Ford RS200 is not a priority, nor fun to drive, nor historicaly relevant, nor special or unique. :dopey:

You should do the statistic for all the pace cars vs their normal counterpart.

The suggestions forum was used a lot. But PD clearly never bothered paying attention to it. The McLaren P1 has been somewhere in the top 10 for 10 years, and is yet to make an appearence. Nowadays the suggestions forum is outdated, and doesn't include cars that were in GT6 but didn't make the cut for GTS/GT7.

The suggestions forum could also be improved. Instead of a thread per car, make it a thread per brand, and then inside that thread, people would ask, and vote (with reactions), for the cars from that brand that they want.
 
But PD clearly never bothered paying attention to it. The McLaren P1 has been somewhere in the top 10 for 10 years, and is yet to make an appearence.
There's myriad reasons why that could be, that aren't "PD clearly never bothered paying attention to it".

Top Gear struggled to get the P1 for the "hypercar holy trinity" test as McLaren wasn't particularly keen on a direct comparison with the LaFerrari and Porsche Carrera GT. Hey, I wonder what two of those three hypercars GT7 has...

Nowadays the suggestions forum is outdated, and doesn't include cars that were in GT6 but didn't make the cut for GTS/GT7.
It very much does - with loads of "Standard" cars particularly - and there's little preventing people from making threads for them. We just unlocked a thread for the Zytek-Nissan LMP2 which was in GT6 too, by request from someone who wanted to suggest it for GT7... It's one of the top threads in that forum right now, so difficult to miss.
The suggestions forum could also be improved. Instead of a thread per car, make it a thread per brand, and then inside that thread, people would ask, and vote (with reactions), for the cars from that brand that they want.
No, that'd be a retrograde step. Once again, licensing one car from a brand doesn't mean you can license all cars from that brand, and having the forum overview showing brands only does not inform about what cars are desired.

To borrow an earlier post "Hey, they want a Lynk&Co? Let's give them the 01" is an outcome of the brand-led format, whereas "Hey, they want a Lynk&Co 03?" is more likely to give the specific outcome you wish.


Our Suggestions forum was also good enough for T10 to "use it as inspiration" for its own requests forums.
 
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We have nearly 1000 good cars missing. Most of which would be seen as a bigger priority over the ambulance. Of the nearly 500 cars, there are duplicates, VGTs, Gr.4 that are just slightly modified versions of the existing road car, and so on. Not every car, or every type of car, is everyone's cup of tea, which means, if a new player comes to the game, expecting it, being a 2022 game, to have a decent selection of modern cars, he/she will be disappointed. You don't solve this, by adding random stuff.

It's not really subjective. It's objective. The moment you don't have any criteria, you end up with a random assortment of things, and a lot of fans pissed off because less and less of their "favourites" are being added. And this has become the reality of this game. Fans of specific brands or specific types of cars expected to be in this kind of game, get completely shafted. This gets worse when you are limited to 60 cars per year, which PD doesn't even bother to achieve in GT7.

Meanwhile, historical significance is not subjective. Just because something is significant for you (lets say, your 20th birthday), doesn't mean it's significant to everybody else.
Specialness, is also not subjective. The Mazda 3 we got is not special, meanwhile the Mazda 3 MPS is.
Fun is subjective, sure. But is not limited to driving a specific car. There are cars that are more widely regarded as fun cars to drive than others, which means that, for the greater audience, they would be better additions to the game.


Sure. People can find fun in virtually anything. Doesn't change the fact that, spending resources for a giggle and a laugh, isn't a smart way to do it. Having a pool in your home is fun, but if you don't have resources to complete building your house, you shouldn't spend them on a pool. GT7 doesn't have a great car list, being quite terrible for some brands and/or segments, so why not try to fix that first.


I used to play in cruise lobbies (and "cops and robbers" type of lobbies). It's still a niche playstyle, that can also be played using any other road car in the game. One of the best ways to enjoy such lobby, is having a great sounding car, and do flybys (overtaking) with it. Everytime you rev the engine, it's special. With that said, a good sounding car, is often a car that is somewhat fast, which means it has use on a racing game that goes beyond cruise lobbies.

Swaps aren't really an argument. PD could model any other car and give it a swap. A Ford RS200 with a Ford GT engine would be something amazing. But a Ford RS200 is not a priority, nor fun to drive, nor historicaly relevant, nor special or unique. :dopey:

You should do the statistic for all the pace cars vs their normal counterpart.

The suggestions forum was used a lot. But PD clearly never bothered paying attention to it. The McLaren P1 has been somewhere in the top 10 for 10 years, and is yet to make an appearence. Nowadays the suggestions forum is outdated, and doesn't include cars that were in GT6 but didn't make the cut for GTS/GT7.

The suggestions forum could also be improved. Instead of a thread per car, make it a thread per brand, and then inside that thread, people would ask, and vote (with reactions), for the cars from that brand that they want.
Sorry man but GT has simply never been about having as many modern, up to date cars as possible, across any discipline. Many of GT4s cars, for example, are early 2000’s, 90s and 80s cars with some sort of culture, historical relevance or other kind of notoriety.

You pulling out a list full of GTA cars and saying they need to have all of these brands before adding an ambulance for a little fun is just not really resonating here. Neither is insisting that it can’t possibly be fun for others or more fun than driving whatever the hell a Lynk Co. is.
 
You should do the statistic for all the pace cars vs their normal counterpart.
Since you asked for it:
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The road counterparts are more popular admittedly, especially with how popular the R35 GT-R is. On the inter-safety car note, the most popular safety car in the liveries list appears to be the Charger, since it gives the look of a quintessential American police car, with the R35 GT-R (despite restricted availability in GT Sport) and the Crown second.

EDIT: AMG GT being surprisingly last is also because of the effect of people finding the same livery being enough - something I also noticed is present with cars like the MP4/4 and 959 in the original comparison involving DLC cars.
 
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Since you asked for it:
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The road counterparts are more popular admittedly, especially with how popular the R35 GT-R is. On the inter-safety car note, the most popular safety car in the liveries list appears to be the Charger, since it gives the look of a quintessential American police car, with the R35 GT-R (despite restricted availability in GT Sport) and the Crown second.
It's so weird as in the UK at least from the police livery side of things the WRX and focus would be more popular.
 
Sorry man but GT has simply never been about having as many modern, up to date cars as possible, across any discipline. Many of GT4s cars, for example, are early 2000’s, 90s and 80s cars with some sort of culture, historical relevance or other kind of notoriety.

You pulling out a list full of GTA cars and saying they need to have all of these brands before adding an ambulance for a little fun is just not really resonating here. Neither is insisting that it can’t possibly be fun for others or more fun than driving whatever the hell a Lynk Co. is.
GT4 was released in that time period. It would make sense for GT4 to have many cars from the early '00s and the '90s. Since GT5 PD has had less and less relevant modern cars for the time of release. In the PS2/PS1 days there was an abundance of modern machinery for the time period those games came out. Now we're at this point where, as someone had said before, the car list is outdated enough that there are even some cars in the game that have successors that have a successor.

I like the ambulance, and I'm okay with its inclusion, but I don't think dismissing the whole 'outdated' car list issue is a good retort. Simply put, the car list is outdated. That is fact. Majority of the cars in GT7 are from the mid-half of the 2010s and already have successor models that have been on the market for 2+ years now. Lest not we forget this was a 2022 game that released without the C8 Corvette when every other major racing game had it, and it took PD near 10 months to add it as post-launch content.
 
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GT4 was released in that time period. It would make sense for GT4 to have many cars from the early '00s and the '90s. Since GT5 PD has had less and less relevant modern cars for the time of release. In the PS2/PS1 days there was an abundance of modern machinery for the time period those games came out. Now we're at this point where, as someone had said before, the car list is outdated enough that there are even some cars in the game that have successors that have a successor.

I like the ambulance, and I'm okay with its inclusion, but I don't think dismissing the whole 'outdated' car list issue is a good retort. Simply put, the car list is outdated. That is fact. Majority of the cars in GT7 are from the mid-half of the 2010s and already have successor models that have been on the market for 2+ years now. Lest not we forget this was a 2022 game that released without the C8 Corvette when every other major racing game had it, and it took PD near 10 months to add it as post-launch content.
I agree with this but it's also worth considering that defining cars are always defining cars regardless of the model year or launch year.

That said beyond a few hyper cars and some reworked super cars the last 10 years or so have been pretty weak on cars that define a time period.

The good old days of JDM stuff being cool and new to the west, the FF handling focused stuff (clio, focus rs, CTR etc) the German mega sports coupes etc

There just hasn't been anything of actual note at the normal everyday level. Not even quirky stuff. It's either LCI refreshes of older stuff or just mainstream mediocre on the most part.

But cars are defined by their character, their status (racing or sleeper etc) and ultimately scarcity back in the day.

There just isn't a lot these days that "feels" different to the 10 year old version and some feel worse.

So PD really have a hard time trying to make relevant cars for the game that have any recent significance.

Racing cars on the other hand they have really really dropped the ball on that one.
 
Does it? Popular to who? The trolls in GTP? The casual fanbase, are they over the moon, or better, did they come back to the game because of the ambulance? I don't have any doubt that if you added an Harry Potter magic wand to Battlefield 5, it would be very popular for a while. It doesn't mean it makes sense to add it to that type of game.
It’s pretty high standards if you expect everyone to be over the moon for every car that is added to the game, and that every car added to the game should cause a substantial amount of players to come back to the game. With those criteria, there are very few, if any, cars worth adding to the game.
As for the MC20. Are you serious? Less than a day after it was revealed, it was already being asked to be added to the game. If you think no one asked for it, you are just delusional.
Go sort the suggestions forum by likes. It’s somewhere after page 175, which means it’s not in the top 6000.
Tell me another reason for them to add it (other than being a Toyota, of course).
Because it’s something fun.
Sure, and because it's about cars, should they just throw out the window any criteria on what they choose to model?
I’m sure they have criteria, they’re just different from yours. Gran Turismo always had a lot of diversity with the kind of cars that were featured in the games. One of the great things with the first games was that you could race the kind of cars you saw on the streets around your neighbourhood, it wasn’t just racing cars and supercars. The ambulance is just an extension of that.
Once again, as I said before, it's about priorities. Having nearly 1000 cars, and adding an ambulance in the middle, fine. Not being even close to that, with straight up icons waiting to be added, it just leaves a bad taste.
Why at 1000 cars and not at 500 cars? In general, what Gran Turismo is lacking isn’t cars but rather meaningful events for the cars it already has.
Yes and no. Used it more as a generalisation. I didn't mean as if there were multiple vans.
So basically one van is two too many?
As Opel goes, off the top of my head, I could think of the last Corsa OPC and Astra OPC (two cars that have a lot of competition in their segment), Speedster Turbo, Calibra V6 DTM (possibly Gr.4), Astra DTM (possibly Gr.3), and some classics like the Opel Manta GT/E or the Opel GT.
I’m sure you like Opel, but what makes you think any of those additions would be more popular than the ambulance? Most of them are very similar to cars we already have in the game and their reception would probably be lukewarm. The ambulance is exciting because it’s something different.
If any of these cars would be considered controversial, well... I guess we identified the actual problem.
Indeed, and the problem is that there are no universally liked cars. People will always find something to complain about.
I can live without the GT-One, as Gr.1 machinery is not really my main go to. But, as far as GTP goes, it's easily one of the most sought after race cars out there.
Well, it’s somewhere in the top 400 at least. The ambulance is quite popular as well, does that mean it’s not controversial?
The problem is not that we have an ambulance, the problem is everything that we don't have in the game, and that PD chose that as their priority.
It seems like you think PD owes you this great car list that exists in your imagination, and that people who like other cars don’t deserve to have those ones in the game.
And we can't forget that PD was seen scanning/recording sounds for cars like the Zonda C12S (and I think a Lancia rally car, but I don't remember which one, the 037 I think) like 10 years ago, and we still don't have them.
Sure, and the reason why we don’t have them is because PD decided to model an ambulance ten years later?
 
It's not really subjective. It's objective.
No, it isn't.

The moment you don't have any criteria, you end up with a random assortment of things, and a lot of fans pissed off because less and less of their "favourites" are being added. And this has become the reality of this game. Fans of specific brands or specific types of cars expected to be in this kind of game, get completely shafted. This gets worse when you are limited to 60 cars per year, which PD doesn't even bother to achieve in GT7.
They have a criteria and that is what cars they see fit (which is anything), NOT you or other fans. Not me either.

Meanwhile, historical significance is not subjective. Just because something is significant for you (lets say, your 20th birthday), doesn't mean it's significant to everybody else.
and yet what you just said sounds oddly enough subjective. What is significant to me wouldn't be significant to anyone else. But that doesn't matter in this case, any car can have historical significance even if you don't see it. You don't know, you can only assume until research is done.

Specialness, is also not subjective. The Mazda 3 we got is not special, meanwhile the Mazda 3 MPS is.
Fun is subjective, sure. But is not limited to driving a specific car. There are cars that are more widely regarded as fun cars to drive than others, which means that, for the greater audience, they would be better additions to the game.
Except that there is subjectivity in what's special, it's defined by the person or the general audience. The Mazda 3 MPS plus any other hot hatchback is only special to car nerds and the people that made it. A normal person will look at one of those and see it another Mazda 3 with maybe some extra nonsense on it. and I know this especially from experience, I remember in high school once looking at pictures of a Fiat 500 Abarth, a kid next to me called it a "scrub" car.
 
We have nearly 1000 good cars missing. Most of which would be seen as a bigger priority over the ambulance. Of the nearly 500 cars, there are duplicates, VGTs, Gr.4 that are just slightly modified versions of the existing road car, and so on. Not every car, or every type of car, is everyone's cup of tea, which means, if a new player comes to the game, expecting it, being a 2022 game, to have a decent selection of modern cars, he/she will be disappointed. You don't solve this, by adding random stuff.

It's not really subjective. It's objective. The moment you don't have any criteria, you end up with a random assortment of things, and a lot of fans pissed off because less and less of their "favourites" are being added. And this has become the reality of this game. Fans of specific brands or specific types of cars expected to be in this kind of game, get completely shafted. This gets worse when you are limited to 60 cars per year, which PD doesn't even bother to achieve in GT7.

Meanwhile, historical significance is not subjective. Just because something is significant for you (lets say, your 20th birthday), doesn't mean it's significant to everybody else.
Specialness, is also not subjective. The Mazda 3 we got is not special, meanwhile the Mazda 3 MPS is.
Fun is subjective, sure. But is not limited to driving a specific car. There are cars that are more widely regarded as fun cars to drive than others, which means that, for the greater audience, they would be better additions to the game.


Sure. People can find fun in virtually anything. Doesn't change the fact that, spending resources for a giggle and a laugh, isn't a smart way to do it. Having a pool in your home is fun, but if you don't have resources to complete building your house, you shouldn't spend them on a pool. GT7 doesn't have a great car list, being quite terrible for some brands and/or segments, so why not try to fix that first.


I used to play in cruise lobbies (and "cops and robbers" type of lobbies). It's still a niche playstyle, that can also be played using any other road car in the game. One of the best ways to enjoy such lobby, is having a great sounding car, and do flybys (overtaking) with it. Everytime you rev the engine, it's special. With that said, a good sounding car, is often a car that is somewhat fast, which means it has use on a racing game that goes beyond cruise lobbies.

Swaps aren't really an argument. PD could model any other car and give it a swap. A Ford RS200 with a Ford GT engine would be something amazing. But a Ford RS200 is not a priority, nor fun to drive, nor historicaly relevant, nor special or unique. :dopey:

You should do the statistic for all the pace cars vs their normal counterpart.

The suggestions forum was used a lot. But PD clearly never bothered paying attention to it. The McLaren P1 has been somewhere in the top 10 for 10 years, and is yet to make an appearence. Nowadays the suggestions forum is outdated, and doesn't include cars that were in GT6 but didn't make the cut for GTS/GT7.

The suggestions forum could also be improved. Instead of a thread per car, make it a thread per brand, and then inside that thread, people would ask, and vote (with reactions), for the cars from that brand that they want.
i think it might be time for you accept that GT7 isnt what you wanted it to be..
 
i think it might be time for you accept that GT7 isnt what you wanted it to be..
It doesn’t even have to be that serious. Some people that do decide to play this game, make the best use of what’s available. In the end, it’s someone else’s game… put to market to share that someone’s dream with others. No matter our views on how much we feel the product seems(our interpretation is different from the creator’s vision) to have strayed from past iterations, we buy it, enjoy it or not.
 
It doesn’t even have to be that serious. Some people that do decide to play this game, make the best use of what’s available. In the end, it’s someone else’s game… put to market to share that someone’s dream with others. No matter our views on how much we feel the product seems(our interpretation is different from the creator’s vision) to have strayed from past iterations, we buy it, enjoy it or not.
i cant agree with you more, yeah its got its downsides but it is what it is. personally i love it, it gives me a decent platform to run custom lobbies with mates so we can drive what we want, where we want :)
 
i cant agree with you more, yeah its got its downsides but it is what it is. personally i love it, it gives me a decent platform to run custom lobbies with mates so we can drive what we want, where we want :)
No doubt. Trust, I understand about the complaints(there’s still no Epic Whining & Crying thread). I understand about “just give us GT1-4, but with GT7 graphics and some kind of adjustable SOPHY AI. Plus, fixthebleetingbloomingonlinelobbiesandpenaltiesandvarietyforthedangdailyracesbecauseimnottouchingoflineaiwithatenfootcattleprod”. I get all that. I always get all that. In every thread where there are complaints. I understand if no one complains, things might not get fixed or improve where there need fixing and/or improving. However, if there are fanning of flames because of one car each update, it gets long in the tooth.
 
That's actually kind of good for you to bring up. All this B&M over the ambulance, yet the quirky Jeep has existed since day one and no one complained about it. Neither ambulance or Jeep are really cars you'd think of being in a racing game, but they sure can be some good fun! :D
First of all, I am neutral regarding the ambulance. That being said, Jeeps are classics (old military vehicle), and fun off-road. Adding an ambulance can be seen as pointless. So what's next? Firetrucks, police cars? But personally I do not mind to have one ambulance. We already have safety cars, ambulance is not a bad addition. Remember that racing is hecking dangerous, and sometimes you need an ambulance on track in real life, sadly.
 
First of all, I am neutral regarding the ambulance. That being said, Jeeps are classics (old military vehicle), and fun off-road. Adding an ambulance can be seen as pointless. So what's next? Firetrucks, police cars? But personally I do not mind to have one ambulance. We already have safety cars, ambulance is not a bad addition. Remember that racing is hecking dangerous, and sometimes you need an ambulance on track in real life, sadly.
Safety cars and ambulance surely have some connection to a racing game.
Its fine. Firetrucks could also see some use, as well as road work vehicles (for all those public road tracks needing repairs).
Where to draw the line? ;)

I dont mind cars I dont use, there are already so many of them, and I dont expect to suddenly see any of my favourites as the brands are not ingame at all.
 
Maybe just maybe listen GT8 is so well under way that even the spectating vehicle (around the tracks) are modelised to the standard of a driving one. Thus the Ambulance.
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