Gran Turismo Sport delayed to 2017

[Tired Tyres]

It is not about technological progress, scientists in their laboratories are not bothered by PS4 Pro releasing soon.
It is a fact that with each new gen appearing, the graphical gap will be less and less significative, to the point we are today. The jump from ps1 from ps2 was gigantic. From ps2 to ps3 it was also great because of the introduction of HD, but not as much as PS1 to PS2. Then from PS3 to PS4 it was not significant, really. When you see games like The last of Us, or GT6 (given the right settings, like let's say Nurb at night with a single car on bonnet view of the R32) then you will see that the more real-life-like a game gets, the harder it is to surpass it, because graphical advancement is not limitless. Uncharted 4 for example was a masterpiece, Driveclub too. A PS5 releasing would not do any improvements over the PS4 on the graphical side, as powerfull as the GPU may be. Each new improvement will be very unsignificant to what could be done on the older gen. This, and the release of a "pro" version for both Sony and Microsoft consoles whichbis unprecedent, indicate that new generations of consoles will not be about graphics anymore, which can be done simply by releasing some slightly more powerfull version of the PS4 and that is more reasonable than releasing a "PS5" which would make no significant graphical leap at all, and these releases would still guarantee benefits for Sony. And also going by this route, it could allow for backward compatibility for every games on newer consoles implying the new versions of PS4 will be the exact same architecture with only some more powerfull hardware, and this will allow for older games to still sell well if they are famous, instead of the "ps4 now" and things like that which are obvious waste of resources for Sony. In fact everything will be much easier.

A PS5 may or may not happen, however if it does, it will imho be the last gen of consoles as we know about it ever, if it won't be this one. It will take the route of the same scenario of the "New" 3ds. No exclusive content for the newest console, but only exclusive enhancements allowed by the newest console.

Your totally missing out that the TV standard from PS3 to PS4 is 1080P. Now that is moving towards 4K. After that it's 8K. This is going to make a very big difference between generations of machine again. If it's economical to build for those standards that is.

 

[Tornado]

So many things wrong with this.

Then from PS3 to PS4 it was not significant, really.

That would be because the PS4 was already a fairly unimpressive set of hardware when it was new; which was not the case for the new consoles in 2005/2006, 1998/2000 and 1994.


And yet Sony can't build them fast enough. People have called Microsoft hopelessly screwed this console generation, and they've still manage to sell as many XBones as Sony had PS3s in the same time span; and certainly without Sony's infamous losses from 2006-2009.

A PS5 releasing would not do any improvements over the PS4 on the graphical side, as powerfull as the GPU may be.

That's strange because the PS4 Pro is a fairly marginal increase in graphical power considering the three years that have passed since the already somewhat mediocre PS4 launched, and yet developers seem chomping at the bit to do things with it. VR being the most obvious example.

This, and the release of a "pro" version for both Sony and Microsoft consoles whichbis unprecedent, indicate that new generations of consoles will not be about graphics anymore

Except graphical power is pretty much the only difference between the PS4 Pro and PS4; and presumably the same will hold true of Scorpio as well.

which can be done simply by releasing some slightly more powerfull version of the PS4 and that is more reasonable than releasing a "PS5" which would make no significant graphical leap at all, and these releases would still guarantee benefits for Sony.

You are aware that eventually repeated increases of hardware power are eventually going to have to abandon the lowest common denominator even if the jumps are more frequent and smaller, yes?

And also going by this route, it could allow for backward compatibility for every games on newer consoles implying the new versions of PS4 will be the exact same architecture with only some more powerfull hardware, and this will allow for older games to still sell well if they are famous, instead of the "ps4 now" and things like that which are obvious waste of resources for Sony.

Literally nothing here has to do with console generations as a concept. The reason backwards compatibility has been so spotty is because Sony and Microsoft have jumped around design architecture. Nothing forced Microsoft to jump from x86 to POWER and back to x86. Nothing forced Sony to jump from MIPS to POWER to x86; and in fact they probably would have better off if they hadn't blown hundreds of millions on doing so. Other companies in the past, including Sony once upon a time, have built new generations of game consoles directly off the back of previous ones (guaranteeing backwards compatibility) while still making the generational leap obvious.

A PS5 may or may not happen, however if it does, it will imho be the last gen of consoles as we know about it ever, if it won't be this one.

It's not a matter of "may". It will happen, and to suggest otherwise shows a rather critical lack of understanding of the industry. The system Sony just announced isn't really powerful enough to push the TV standard that is starting to become mainstream; but this generation might continue indefinitely anyway? The industry will also continue past the PS5 era unless consoles become user-upgradeable. Sony the international conglomerate has basically been carried off the back of the Playstation division since the beginning of the decade, and the immediate massive profits that the hardware sales provided a huge push for that.


The razer and blades distribution method of console design is probably dead after Sony screwed it up so catastrophically in 2006; but that makes the push for new generations more likely. Not less.

 

[azidahaka]

Last generation of consoles? Ah!

PlayStation and psn, Xbox and xbl will be the equivalent of stream and stream machines.

The jump to x86 was to ensure that new upcoming machines would always be compatible with older ones... So on psx7 you'll still be able to play the games you bought for ps4 thanks for your psn account.

That it's the future Sony and Microsoft are setting is ready to. Their online services like a subscription based steam shop.

 

[Tornado]

A stream machine could herald the end of console generations, but the hypothetical date where the market is ready for that seems to keep getting pushed further and further back. We're certainly no closer to a market acceptance of such a thing than we were three years ago, for example.

 

[Just The Stig]

A PS5? Nah, that won't happen, the PS4 Pro is already capable of the best possible graphics you could wish for, what's the point of making an even more powerful console? I feel like it would be a waste of time and effort. PS4 is last-gen, mark my words.

I don't know what was wrong with me when I posted this, I completely threw away the possibility of a future PlayStation console to be the size of a matchbox, and produce 8K quality images at 120 FPS or more.

The question is though; What kind of cooling system would that thing have? And would it even need one considering the possibilty of an invention of a CPU that doesn't heat up at all?

 

[Samus]

I don't know what was wrong with me when I posted this, I completely threw away the possibility of a future PlayStation console to be the size of a matchbox, and produce 8K quality images at 120 FPS or more.

The question is though; What kind of cooling system would that thing have? And would it even need one considering the possibilty of an invention of a CPU that doesn't heat up at all?

Who on earth said anything about it being the size of a matchbox?

 

[Just The Stig]

Who on earth said anything about it being the size of a matchbox?

Why not? If they can do it, whoy wouldn't they? you could carry it in your pocket if you wanted to, and imagine how much space it would save.

 

[Cocomoto]

I don't see games by streaming only anywhere near. In Europe, USA, Japan. That would be possible, but the majority of countrys doesn't have a good internet connection, and if it does, its expensive as hell!!
Here in Brazil the all the major internet companys were trying to make broadband internet to be like mobile internet. You pay based on the data you used and if you reach the data limit, you'll have to pay more or they'll cut your speed connection.

And they said that gamming and Netflix were the ones to blamd. Because they uses a lot of data. 🤬

I don't see Sony and MS letting a lot of people out, because they won't buy their product by not being able to use it.

 

[Samus]

Why not? If they can do it, whoy wouldn't they? you could carry it in your pocket if you wanted to, and imagine how much space it would save.

What are you rolling your eyes at? I don't know why you're so adamant that the PS4 is the end of the line.

 

[Tornado]

Why not? If they can do it, whoy wouldn't they? you could carry it in your pocket if you wanted to, and imagine how much space it would save.

This would look a lot less like sour grapes if you had ever actually given a reason why we should assume the equivalent of a midrange PC from 2013 is the end of console hardware advancement.

 

[Just The Stig]

What are you rolling your eyes at? I don't know why you're so adamant that the PS4 is the end of the line.

Rolling my eyes... I meant in a way of imagining the possibilities.

This would look a lot less like sour grapes if you had ever actually given a reason why we should assume the equivalent of a midrange PC from 2013 is the end of console hardware advancement.

Again, I don't know what was wrong with me, it was late at night and I was tired.

 

[nocturnalgrey]

You do make a great point @Toysuprahot .. Until we gamers gets something as amazing as the Holodeck off of Star Trek the progress will be minimal at best.

It's why I believe that in a few years the Gran Turismo's and Forza's of the world are going to mere carbon copies of each other.

 

[jubeiiiii246]

rip I hope GT turns out to be a good game meanwhile am here trying to get all cars in GT6 cause am bored

 

[05XR8]

The casual gamer. Who are the casual gamers? Do they buy games as seasonal or birthday gifts? Do they have a library stacked with games from Atari to Forza Apex, only to play when they have time? Is it the gamer that has only one game per console? What are peoples ideas of the casual gamer? Do they make the numbers game console makers market to?

My point is, this delay pretty much means nothing to a casual gamer. If it comes out Easter, moms and dads will buy it. If it comes out Christmas, guaranteed it'll be under the tree or on the hearth. Even if the game is traded in the following business day, they've made their money.

On the negative side, PD will have a hard time making a new gimmick that makes the game fun for all. Course making, GPS, teleporting to the moon, etc. just won't cut it.

 

[Imari]

I don't know what was wrong with me when I posted this, I completely threw away the possibility of a future PlayStation console to be the size of a matchbox, and produce 8K quality images at 120 FPS or more.

The question is though; What kind of cooling system would that thing have? And would it even need one considering the possibilty of an invention of a CPU that doesn't heat up at all?

Reductio ad absurdum.

Do I win a prize?

 

[gigio79]

Just posted on the Playstation blog (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/08/30/gran-turismo-sport-update/):

No surprise!!! Each GT version is released late. I look at some videos on line and GT sport is very similar to the older versions. Old same story about damages and a very ridicolous AI, people start getting tired, watch out sony.

 

[mister dog]

It's a bit difficult to know in which thread to speculate about GT for the coming year. They all look the same

 

[Cocomoto]

About the AI, wans't confirmed by some users here that actually played the game, that the AI is a lot better on hard?

Why people keep saying that the AI still the same?
We have to be fair, PD is really making some wrong moves, but the AI doesn't seems to be the case.

 

[Samus]

About the AI, wans't confirmed by some users here that actually played the game, that the AI is a lot better on hard?

Why people keep saying that the AI still the same?
We have to be fair, PD is really making some wrong moves, but the AI doesn't seems to be the case.

Because they were just two people, playing on unfamiliar hardware with a new game. We can't just go by what two people are saying for anything, and that goes both ways. You wouldn't trust the opinion of two people if they said something was terrible, you'd wait for more people to weigh in.

 

[Pcaola]

When the Xbone came out 2 years ago at $499 and was released the same time as Forza 5, I bit the bullet after being a lifelong PS3 fan AND a huge fan of the GT series which got me hooked on sim racing. NEVER regretted that decision. GT6 was Boring in my opinion and I think I played it for about 5 hours. I can't calculate the hours I've logged with Forza 5 and Horizon 2 and am counting the days to Horizon 3 now. I'll never say it's better, but it's different and it is as much fun in my opinion. And after all, isn't that what I play for? Fun!
I was really excited for a GT on my PS4 ( yes, gotta have a PS4 in the house ) but a gut feeling told me, it's gonna get pushed back. And now with the refunds on pre-orders. (A very bad sign )... The push back is looking long.

My Xbone is big, it takes up a chunk of space, and it doesn't do much in my house except play the Forza series games... BUT it doesn't bother me ONE BIT!

I am surprised so many people can still stand behind PD, make excuses for them, refer to them as a "great" sim driving game producer. I used to, many years ago, but just like ANY business. If you don't stay on top of your game, and work HARD, and stay connected with your fan base and most importantly... Deliver the Product they Want and EXPECT; then you will quickly become "one of those companies" that USED to be something great, that people refer to as revolutionizing the industry....as in history.

PC

 

[Just The Stig]

When the Xbone came out 2 years ago at $499 and was released the same time as Forza 5, I bit the bullet after being a lifelong PS3 fan AND a huge fan of the GT series which got me hooked on sim racing. NEVER regretted that decision. GT6 was Boring in my opinion and I think I played it for about 5 hours. I can't calculate the hours I've logged with Forza 5 and Horizon 2 and am counting the days to Horizon 3 now. I'll never say it's better, but it's different and it is as much fun in my opinion. And after all, isn't that what I play for? Fun!
I was really excited for a GT on my PS4 ( yes, gotta have a PS4 in the house ) but a gut feeling told me, it's gonna get pushed back. And now with the refunds on pre-orders. (A very bad sign )... The push back is looking long.

My Xbone is big, it takes up a chunk of space, and it doesn't do much in my house except play the Forza series games... BUT it doesn't bother me ONE BIT!

I am surprised so many people can still stand behind PD, make excuses for them, refer to them as a "great" sim driving game producer. I used to, many years ago, but just like ANY business. If you don't stay on top of your game, and work HARD, and stay connected with your fan base and most importantly... Deliver the Product they Want and EXPECT; then you will quickly become "one of those companies" that USED to be something great, that people refer to as revolutionizing the industry....as in history.

PC

Kaz did say they had trouble developing the game on the PS3 because of "hardware limitations". I agree to a point, GT5&6 weren't as fun as GT4 for example. It seems they clearly didn't have a problem making the game on the PS2... GT4 was so huge, they had to make it on a two-layer CD (which unfortunately can't be run on old PS2's unless you get the laser reader fixed ). I believe Kaz, I dunno, I just have a good feeling about GT Sport, it already has everything GT6 had, and they delayed it by over a year? (from what we've seen) I'm sure they'll put lots more new features in, we just have to wait and see. (and premium cars, don't forget those) (I want the 2005 Fiat Grande Punto Sport)

 

[NLxAROSA]

Kaz did say they had trouble developing the game on the PS3 because of "hardware limitations".

And we all know that's nonsense. Many developers had no problem releasing title after title for PS3. There were no hardware problems. PD trying to cram too much in (leading to less than desirable framerates, no standing starts, different physics for online), spending resources on features no one used (that GPS thingy) and lack of focus are why they had problems developing back then (among others). PD is the reason PD has trouble developing, on any platform.

 

[Godarm]

^^ but who is their ultimate boss? and who developed the console?

 

[Imari]

...it already has everything GT6 had, and they delayed it by over a year?

It doesn't already have everything GT6 had and it won't.

It doesn't have variable time and weather. It likely won't have a significant single player career. The level of content offered is significantly smaller. It's unlikely to offer a GT5/6 type photomode beyond on-track photos. We have no idea about B-Spec, but it seems unlikely. Tuning of the style of GT5/6 is highly unlikely to be there.

It's a completely different style of game to GT6, and saying that it already offers all that GT6 does is just straight up false.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It doesn't already have everything GT6 had and it won't.

It doesn't have variable time and weather. It likely won't have a significant single player career. The level of content offered is significantly smaller. It's unlikely to offer a GT5/6 type photomode beyond on-track photos. We have no idea about B-Spec, but it seems unlikely. Tuning of the style of GT5/6 is highly unlikely to be there.

It's a completely different style of game to GT6, and saying that it already offers all that GT6 does is just straight up false.

The guys seems to be either running on pure hyperbole by mistake, or he's just fishing for "what the hells" out of us. Cause he'd have caught an entire school of tuna out of me with the last two pages of content he's posted. I'm so confused with what he's getting at between the game and the hardware it's run on.

 

[Tom]

Got to be honest, I'm not at all surprised by this delay. When I had my first run on this game back at the Copper Box Arena in London, it felt almost identical to GT6 and rather unpolished, but that was to be expected as regular updates from Japan were coming through every six (?) hours or so, and it was fully admitted to be a pre-alpha version.

I had another run on the game at Goodwood earlier this year whilst presenting for GTP and I was impressed at the step-up in physics, but graphically everything still appeared a little last-gen and somewhat sluggish compared to what one might expect from a more up-to-date game.

I'm pleased with regards to the delay however; so many different video games get rushed to the market due to demand and then, when they're not finished, the end consumer complains about how second-rate it feels. I'd much rather a few extra months were taken to iron out any issues and smooth everything over, as I would personally prefer to play a more complete game a few months after the initial release date, compared to an incomplete version in a couple of months.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Kaz did say they had trouble developing the game on the PS3 because of "hardware limitations". I agree to a point, GT5&6 weren't as fun as GT4 for example. It seems they clearly didn't have a problem making the game on the PS2... GT4 was so huge, they had to make it on a two-layer CD (which unfortunately can't be run on old PS2's unless you get the laser reader fixed ). I believe Kaz, I dunno, I just have a good feeling about GT Sport, it already has everything GT6 had, and they delayed it by over a year? (from what we've seen) I'm sure they'll put lots more new features in, we just have to wait and see. (and premium cars, don't forget those) (I want the 2005 Fiat Grande Punto Sport)

1. Difficulty developing on PS3 has nothing to do with Game Design.
2. GTS doesn't have all that GT6 content.

Got to be honest, I'm not at all surprised by this delay. When I had my first run on this game back at the Copper Box Arena in London, it felt almost identical to GT6 and rather unpolished, but that was to be expected as regular updates from Japan were coming through every six (?) hours or so, and it was fully admitted to be a pre-alpha version.

I had another run on the game at Goodwood earlier this year whilst presenting for GTP and I was impressed at the step-up in physics, but graphically everything still appeared a little last-gen and somewhat sluggish compared to what one might expect from a more up-to-date game.

I'm pleased with regards to the delay however; so many different video games get rushed to the market due to demand and then, when they're not finished, the end consumer complains about how second-rate it feels. I'd much rather a few extra months were taken to iron out any issues and smooth everything over, as I would personally prefer to play a more complete game a few months after the initial release date, compared to an incomplete version in a couple of months.

If it was just a few months, wouldn't we have a revised release date now?

 

[Samus]

Plus the problem is a delay in no way guarantees the game will be complete, GT5 version 1.00 will always be proof of that. PS3 is hard to develop for blah blah blah, it's an excuse and it doesn't change that fact.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

Plus the problem is a delay in no way guarantees the game will be complete, GT5 version 1.00 will always be proof of that. PS3 is hard to develop for blah blah blah, it's an excuse and it doesn't change that fact.

As is the 'famed' Assetto Corsa, on the 'apparently' easier to develop a game PS4.

 

[Samus]

As is the 'famed' Assetto Corsa, on the 'apparently' easier to develop a game PS4.

Why do you keep bringing AC up? Yes, if you say so AC is also unfinished, I've not played it. What exactly does that change? We're talking about GT games, I used another GT game as an example.