Gran Turismo Sport delayed to 2017

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I was only pointing out the different dates in the two communications. Not saying it was coming out on Dec 31st of any year. Will just be happy to get it at all at this point. To just say sometime in 2017 and not at least a month does not sound good.
 
My pre-order was never cancelled and I never recieved an email asking if I wanted to keep my pre-order. Anyone else have this?

My only thought is that if they had refunded the 59.99 it would have put my wallet over the $150 wallet limit. So maybe that's why they never refunded the money.

I'm in the U.S.A. btw
 
I have FM6 apex and FMH3 on Windows. Fanatec CSR wheel supported. I also have Assetto corsa from Steam as well. I'm getting Porsche content, mods, XBOX racing sim, open world racing, and as soon as I get a Vive, vr racing. What exactly does GT Sport have to offer? A delay?

I bring this up because PD really needs to think about what's available and accessible now to fans of the genre.
 
I have FM6 apex and FMH3 on Windows. Fanatec CSR wheel supported. I also have Assetto corsa from Steam as well. I'm getting Porsche content, mods, XBOX racing sim, open world racing, and as soon as I get a Vive, vr racing. What exactly does GT Sport have to offer? A delay?

I bring this up because PD really needs to think about what's available and accessible now to fans of the genre.

I have all that as well. But I have no doubt that GT Sport will be able to compete when it is released and it will be surpassed again by the next Forza, AC or some other game. That's just the nature of racing games.
 
How is it a placeholder? Are you saying that the game will come out much later than Dec 31st 2016?
It basically means that there is no official release date, so they just throw in the end of the year date until something is announced. It could be sooner, or it could be later, no one knows.
 
Got tired of GT 6 and then waiting for PD for something new. Bought an XBox, Forza Motorsport 6 and Horizon 2 about a year ago. Since then, I've added Dirt Rally and F1 2016. I'm now enjoying Horizon 3 and I'd lay a substantial bet down that Forza Motorsport 7 will be out before GT Sport. PD have just lost any momentum with their franchise and I've got more than enough to keep me happy. They've lost the race as far as I'm concerned.
 
Got tired of GT 6 and then waiting for PD for something new. Bought an XBox, Forza Motorsport 6 and Horizon 2 about a year ago. Since then, I've added Dirt Rally and F1 2016. I'm now enjoying Horizon 3 and I'd lay a substantial bet down that Forza Motorsport 7 will be out before GT Sport. PD have just lost any momentum with their franchise and I've got more than enough to keep me happy. They've lost the race as far as I'm concerned.

I have to laugh at your comment because you just reminded me that I haven't even fired up my ps3 in a long time. But just think about that for a second. The latest GT title out right now is on a last-gen console. LAST-GEN. PD is almost a gen and a half behind if you count PS4K. And evolution got shut down?
 
If I was a member of Playstation's board, I would be mad seeing how bad is handled this studio. So many absurd things at Poly that we all know. Playstation is now an american brand, why don't they come at Poly to change their management?
 
I think the delay has something to do with the release of VR and PS4 Pro. Possibly FIA issues since it is a big part of the game. Nothing to go on. Just my speculation. Just wish they would release it. Even a PS4 version of GT6 would be welcome.
 
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And people wonder why I left this franchise behind for good.
 
If I was a member of Playstation's board, I would be mad seeing how bad is handled this studio. So many absurd things at Poly that we all know. Playstation is now an american brand, why don't they come at Poly to change their management?
I would be telling Kaz to get his s*** in order, because the fanbase is getting impatient! We can only take so much man, bloody hell.
 
I have FM6 apex and FMH3 on Windows. Fanatec CSR wheel supported. I also have Assetto corsa from Steam as well. I'm getting Porsche content, mods, XBOX racing sim, open world racing, and as soon as I get a Vive, vr racing. What exactly does GT Sport have to offer? A delay?

I bring this up because PD really needs to think about what's available and accessible now to fans of the genre.

My setup is similar, only on XBOX1, it would take an awful for PD to pull me back in. Right now all I can say about Horizon 3 is, it is addicting. Have not fired GT6 up in months now. When GTSport does appear I am wondering how relevant it will be in light of the competition.
 
I have FM6 apex and FMH3 on Windows. Fanatec CSR wheel supported. I also have Assetto corsa from Steam as well. I'm getting Porsche content, mods, XBOX racing sim, open world racing, and as soon as I get a Vive, vr racing. What exactly does GT Sport have to offer? A delay?

I bring this up because PD really needs to think about what's available and accessible now to fans of the genre.

You clearly have the money to do that. What you are saying is like "I have 10 Ferraris, what does Nissan have to offer so I can ditch my Ferraris?". Comparing GTS to 3 or 4 other games at the same time, is just unnecessary.

Let's stop bragging about how rich everyone here is, and avoid an unnecessary discussion.

My setup is similar, only on XBOX1, it would take an awful for PD to pull me back in. Right now all I can say about Horizon 3 is, it is addicting. Have not fired GT6 up in months now. When GTSport does appear I am wondering how relevant it will be in light of the competition.

How many times does it have to be said that FH3 is not direct competition of GT? Just because they have one or two things in common, doesn't mean they are competitors. Fallout 4 is not a competitor to Battlefield 1, just because both have some kind of shooting mechanic.

Back on topic: I have a feeling that the delay is related to the VR.
But this delay could be positive, in a way they could implement more content to the game. Like an Event Creator, more cars and tracks. An event creator and a wider range of cars and tracks, would compensate the lack of a deep career mode. Which is one of the biggest concerns for this game.
 
You clearly have the money to do that. What you are saying is like "I have 10 Ferraris, what does Nissan have to offer so I can ditch my Ferraris?". Comparing GTS to 3 or 4 other games at the same time, is just unnecessary.

Let's stop bragging about how rich everyone here is, and avoid an unnecessary discussion.
Because you can't afford things doesn't mean his point is invalid. There's a lot on the market right now, and what he's saying holds true. Before I found out what GTSport was supposed to be, I had already had it in my head that I'm going to get a PS4 specifically for that game. The more info that came around did little to help hold my interest.
 
You clearly have the money to do that. What you are saying is like "I have 10 Ferraris, what does Nissan have to offer so I can ditch my Ferraris?". Comparing GTS to 3 or 4 other games at the same time, is just unnecessary.

Let's stop bragging about how rich everyone here is, and avoid an unnecessary discussion.

I think you're misinterpreting the post. It has nothing to do with bragging, but asking what GT Sport's USP is. The genre has never been more populated, and with Polyphony seemingly giving up a lot of their previous calling cards — massive car lists, comparatively complex modification system, the whole caRPG thing — the question is a valid one.

How many times does it have to be said that FH3 is not direct competition of GT? Just because they have one or two things in common, doesn't mean they are competitors. Fallout 4 is not a competitor to Battlefield 1, just because both have some kind of shooting mechanic.

Sure, a good chunk of us see the difference in having a fun, light-hearted open world game versus a more sim-like, competitive game. But there's a lot of people that don't. They see racing games as racing games, regardless of nuance.

FH3 isn't a completely direct competitor largely because it's not on the same console. But it is a highly-visible driving game title — arguably the biggest of 2016 now that Sport was delayed. People will compare, especially those that are just looking for fun.

I wouldn't really compare the two. I feel like the much bigger question mark is the likely FM7 next year, quite possibly as a Scorpio launch title...

Back on topic: I have a feeling that the delay is related to the VR.
But this delay could be positive, in a way they could implement more content to the game. Like an Event Creator, more cars and tracks. An event creator and a wider range of cars and tracks, would compensate the lack of a deep career mode. Which is one of the biggest concerns for this game.

Why would VR itself delay the game? It's not as if PD would have been surprised by it; it's highly likely they've had access to the hardware for more time than just about any other developer. Driveclub VR launches in two weeks, and that was accomplished with a now-closed studio.

I'll never understand the thought process that the delay will mean (much) more content. Maybe an Event Creator could appear, though I think that'd be down to the public outcry over the game's perceived lack of offline content.

But the same handful of tracks were shown since the Copper Box reveal, and more or less the same cars too. The game was obviously not going to be finished with the originally-planned content for November. Delaying to some vague 2017 time frame, only to double-down on the amount of content to include, would just perpetuate the cycle.
 
Because you can't afford things doesn't mean his point is invalid. There's a lot on the market right now, and what he's saying holds true. Before I found out what GTSport was supposed to be, I had already had it in my head that I'm going to get a PS4 specifically for that game. The more info that came around did little to help hold my interest.

Making a point a point that having 2 games is better than having one by comparison, is invalid. Just because you can afford 2 different cars with 2 different purposes, doesn't mean it's a more viable solution to acquiring a car that is somewhat good in both of those purposes, for less money.
The point is, there is no fairness at all saying that 3 games are better than 1, and stating that those 3 games represent a solution to replace one.

I think you're misinterpreting the post. It has nothing to do with bragging, but asking what GT Sport's USP is. The genre has never been more populated, and with Polyphony seemingly giving up a lot of their previous calling cards — massive car lists, comparatively complex modification system, the whole caRPG thing — the question is a valid one.

Maybe, but he could have worded things differently. Maybe saying that he, as of right now, sees no point in getting GTS because he already has AC for its simulator? The way he said it, made it seem like GTS alone had to be better than all those games at the same time, to be worth it.

Sure, a good chunk of us see the difference in having a fun, light-hearted open world game versus a more sim-like, competitive game. But there's a lot of people that don't. They see racing games as racing games, regardless of nuance.

FH3 isn't a completely direct competitor largely because it's not on the same console. But it is a highly-visible driving game title — arguably the biggest of 2016 now that Sport was delayed. People will compare, especially those that are just looking for fun.

I wouldn't really compare the two. I feel like the much bigger question mark is the likely FM7 next year, quite possibly as a Scorpio launch title...

Maybe I was a bit harsh. But it still is a different game, less focused on racing. I would call it, a more relaxed game, just like the old NFS were.
The point of me saying that they are different games, is to end these comparisons. We can't compare a tiger to a shark just because both are predators, or a ferrari to a pick up truck because both have 4 wheels. Different purposes for each, and that's it. The moment people acknowledge this, discussions will get way more cleaner and focused.

The main reason they are compared is because no other car game gets as much visibility as Forza and GT. NFS has been forgotten, and in fact NFS is the main competitor to Forza Horizon. Since the NFS series is almost dead, people have to compare the game to something, I guess...

I wouldn't compare both either, because they have completely different visions of a driving/racing game. Both will be enjoyable in their own ways.

Why would VR itself delay the game? It's not as if PD would have been surprised by it; it's highly likely they've had access to the hardware for more time than just about any other developer. Driveclub VR launches in two weeks, and that was accomplished with a now-closed studio.

I'll never understand the thought process that the delay will mean (much) more content. Maybe an Event Creator could appear, though I think that'd be down to the public outcry over the game's perceived lack of offline content.

But the same handful of tracks were shown since the Copper Box reveal, and more or less the same cars too. The game was obviously not going to be finished with the originally-planned content for November. Delaying to some vague 2017 time frame, only to double-down on the amount of content to include, would just perpetuate the cycle.

Is just a thought. Simply because it's one feature that relies a lot on the game's framerate stability. Any small glimpse of FPS drops, and might be enough reason to delay. It's not about how much time they had access to the VR, but instead how much tweaking is needed for every single track until they get that solid 60 FPS.

It doesn't mean there will be more content, but means that if all the cars and tracks in game were to be modelled as of the initial lauch date, then with the delay, the modelling team could have a chance to bring the car/track count up a little.

That was exactly my thought when I mentioned a Event Creator. They could very well acknowledge the critics for the lack of a full offline career, and to compensate, just implement that feature.
The ability to fully customize events would be a very good feature, possibly more enjoyable than a normal career mode.
 
Making a point a point that having 2 games is better than having one by comparison, is invalid.
Which was never his point to begin with. His point is that with some much going on with the competition, what is it that GTS is doing that is going to draw in people over these other games. That you didn't understand the point, doesn't make it invalid.
 
Why Forza dudes even exists on this topic? MS got this this this and this game already out and PD not. So what? I can wait, always have and always will. GT has so nice history on my gaming and hopefully future too.
 
Why Forza dudes even exists on this topic? MS got this this this and this game already out and PD not. So what? I can wait, always have and always will. GT has so nice history on my gaming and hopefully future too.

Maybe because some Forza dudes (like myself) also play Gt and have opinions and frustration with PD. This is not about being territorial, but rather about PD falling farther behind the competition, and yes it is a competition for our gaming dollars. I am on the record as saying that I hope PD gets their act together, but they are taking so long for whatever reason.
 
The general point is that with PD not delivering any title at all, many people have moved to other games to either get their sim or their car collecting fix. And many of them moved to a different platform (esp. when faced with wheels not being compatible between PS3 and PS4, which made the decision to swap a lot more favorable). So what will make these people move back? What's the big thing that GTS will offer that is so unique? I think we've seen their vision (iRacing meets GTAcademy meets Twitch), but very little in terms of implementation.

As for delays: A dev/publisher almost NEVER delays to add stuff that wasn't in the original plan. They delay because the stuff they planned initially is not done. Keep in mind that they need to fund staff without income for another year (pre-orders are not paid until game is released), so if they can release the regular game now and add stuff like VR later, that's always the better route.

Maybe PD can get away with it (because deep pockets), but I'm not holding my breath, especially with their track record.
 
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Why Forza dudes even exists on this topic? MS got this this this and this game already out and PD not. So what? I can wait, always have and always will. GT has so nice history on my gaming and hopefully future too.
If you don't understand the reason why others come here to express their feelings, opinions on GT etc., than please simply don't question it (or even hint at it). Also there is no "Forza dudes", in fact there are loyal fans of GT who once followed the franchise (including me) before moving on to other racing games due to being frustrated at PD's lack of communication and continuing to disappoint them since GT5. You're new here, so you may not get it unless you followed GTP's boards as a non member back then.

We want PD can improve their games because we know they have the potential to do just that, for example: PD keeps on improving their graphics and visuals, so why can't they in other areas? Well it's because PD is too inconsistent with their work, and have a tendency to stuff their mouths with too much food when it is full, therefore leaving a plate of their meals unfinished. Mind you, these are just small examples I mentioned as there are much more.

It's fine you are willing to wait for anything that is PD, we respect that. The issue is PD nor Sony haven't announced a new release date for 2017 as of yet, so you could be waiting for awhile...
 
esp. when faced with wheels not being compatible between PS3 and PS4, which made the decision to swap a lot more favorable

Maybe Logitech wheels were the most spread in the market, but Fantatec (until very recently) and Thrustmaster wheel from PS3 are stil compatible.
 
Which was never his point to begin with. His point is that with some much going on with the competition, what is it that GTS is doing that is going to draw in people over these other games. That you didn't understand the point, doesn't make it invalid.

It's almost impossible for a single game to draw attention from someone that owns 3 or 4 other games of the same/similar genre. It's not like he is comparing something "1 to 1", he is comparing 3 things to 1. What could GT have that, somehow, would make it stand out from 3 other games at the same time? I'm pretty sure that, apart from the Sport mode and the feeling a GT game itself has, there's nothing more a racing game can offer. Those games combined offer everything that a driving/racing game can offer, combined. It's not likely GT will offer something ground breaking that people who already have everything else, to make them forget those games to buy GT.

Maybe an old style GT could pull that off, just for the sheer amount of content in one game, and the semi-sim racer it is. But even that would be though to do.

They need to fix the real flaws about the game, like the AI, sounds, etc.
If this "new formula" doesn't sell as much as other iterations, then it's a sign they have to rethink about it.
 
It's almost impossible for a single game to draw attention from someone that owns 3 or 4 other games of the same/similar genre. It's not like he is comparing something "1 to 1", he is comparing 3 things to 1. What could GT have that, somehow, would make it stand out from 3 other games at the same time? I'm pretty sure that, apart from the Sport mode and the feeling a GT game itself has, there's nothing more a racing game can offer. Those games combined offer everything that a driving/racing game can offer, combined. It's not likely GT will offer something ground breaking that people who already have everything else, to make them forget those games to buy GT.

Maybe an old style GT could pull that off, just for the sheer amount of content in one game, and the semi-sim racer it is. But even that would be though to do.

They need to fix the real flaws about the game, like the AI, sounds, etc.
If this "new formula" doesn't sell as much as other iterations, then it's a sign they have to rethink about it.
Which, again, was not the point. With so much on the mmarket, what exactly is GTS doing that is new and intriguing that is going to draw in players. What are they doing yo stand out among the competition. That's what I'm seeing. That is the issue.
 
That is what happens when you don't get your product to market first. If they had we would be asking what Forza or Assetto had to offer over GT. As it is the competition is all already out there, so its PD who need to offer something over other games.

This is how it works on any industry.
 

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