Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[tmtk]

This is just another result of GT1 time slots being so limited. I don't like smurfing either but I can see how some would rather demote than be forced to choose between 3 time slots if not competing for offline qualification.

That is understandable for GT2, but GT3 just makes no sense.

 

[SeleneX]

This is just another result of GT1 time slots being so limited. I don't like smurfing either but I can see how some would rather demote than be forced to choose between 3 time slots if not competing for offline qualification.

This was happening long before they reduced the tournament time slots for GT1. It's an ego thing more than anything, there's a surprising number of people that prefer to smash people beneath them for the benefit of their ego at the top of a league, rather than compete against their own skill level.

The problem is there are no ways to hold these people accountable.

Polyphony would rather offer all the options to get someone permanently banned on PSN for using mean words (I had a 60 day social features PSN ban for using the word "Dirty" to a Brazilian that crashed me off months ago) instead of giving any kind of means to get rid of people abusing the game.

If you're an A+ smurfing in lower leagues, I don't care what your reasoning is, you're part of the problem & should be banned/suspended

The same way I'd love to see a report option for all the top streamers that love to go on other servers & introduce a bunch of latency to their races. If it's bannable in tournaments according to polyphonys own rules, why are there no ways to report it in game?

There is no excuse for smurfing so you can smash lesser competition.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I updated my earlier post, but ICYMI, this definitely works. I left the car parked on the track for 50-some minutes and when I came back the track was completely dry.

Ok similar to the TM QT glitch with the day night cycle.

Again you are such an asset.

It won’t make a difference in race but a stronger practice will help with sorting.

Also I did miss it so thank you for tagging me.

 

[Famine]

PD give you 20 different subcategories for reporting

Polyphony would rather offer all the options to get someone permanently banned on PSN for using mean words

The whole moderation stack is SIE, soup to nuts.

There's no option to report driving standards or griefing, because SIE doesn't want there to be (I'd guess because it's way too subjective and the moderation staff are far from being topic experts).

 

[newmedia_dev]

The whole moderation stack is SIE, soup to nuts.

There's no option to report driving standards or griefing, because SIE doesn't want there to be (I'd guess because it's way too subjective and the moderation staff are far from being topic experts).

And to be fair GT is a big game volume wise but could you imagine the CoD or battlefield reports every hour….

 

[Famine]

And to be fair GT is a big game volume wise but could you imagine the CoD or battlefield reports every hour….

Probably why Activision leans so hard on AI for moderation.

 

[SeleneX]

The whole moderation stack is SIE, soup to nuts.

There's no option to report driving standards or griefing, because SIE doesn't want there to be (I'd guess because it's way too subjective and the moderation staff are far from being topic experts).

Yep
& Most of their moderation is done by AI anyway these days.

But the option to report people for playing on different servers should be pretty clear cut.

If they're willing to delete leaderboard times & ban people that abused exploits in tournaments, then they should be willing to implement punishment for those switching servers

90% of the people doing it are too lazy to even use a VPN over their console anyway, so it's not like they can't easily see on their end a bunch of non-US locations in US ranked/US tournaments for example.

With smurfing I have no clue how they'd actually prevent it, but it's still scummy by the people doing it.

Dirty driving moderation would be impossible, when they already have one of the most incompetent penalty systems in existence.

The only thing I could think of is some sort of referee option where you can queue up in ranked as a referee type role & view/make decisions on incidents. Kind of like how Commander role in old BF games was able to introduce a different role the players could fill.

It would be a way to pass on moderation to the community when it comes to driving standards, but even that has its flaws & would never happen.

We'll just keep getting drip fed cars & eSports first content even though 90%+ of the player base don't care or even know who these people are.

 

[stpatty]

Just stick to the stock Thank you! That was some clean driving! in the post-race chat, people aren't worth getting your account into bother over.

 

[KAlex122]

I'm currently, due to not having any testing/qualifying-time changing between high C up to mid B. For this season I'm happy to start in the GT3 league. And i completely understand if someone does manipulate his/her rating downwards a bit deliberately.

I don't care about winning a lot, i want good races. It's weird how the payments for league 2 and 3 are the same. In League 3 it's very possible that I'll earn 5 mil. In league 2 it could happen that I won't get anything at all. That does matter to me. PD should change that. I should have about the same chances for payments or even motivation to start in GT2.

A really much faster driver in a lower league of course is demotivating for some and it looks stupid.

Dirty drivers are something completely different. They needn't be faster. Such guys can be found everywhere.

And lastly, a wheel has nothing to do with it.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I'm currently, due to not having any testing/qualifying-time changing between high C up to mid B. For this season I'm happy to start in the GT3 league. And i completely understand if someone does manipulate his/her rating downwards a bit deliberately.

I don't care about winning a lot, i want good races. It's weird how the payments for league 2 and 3 are the same. In League 3 it's very possible that I'll earn 5 mil. In league 2 it could happen that I won't get anything at all. That does matter to me. PD should change that. I should have about the same chances for payments or even motivation to start in GT2.

A really much faster driver in a lower league of course is demotivating for some and it looks stupid.

Dirty drivers are something completely different. They needn't be faster. Such guys can be found everywhere.

And lastly, a wheel has nothing to do with it.

The problem is that they skew your race. And that’s not fair.

In my races they do it to manipulate points in your races it’s mostly ego, but honestly and no offence I don’t think you are getting really really fast seal clubber. It could happen but they usually don’t drop more than a level because the pace differential is huge.

I agree controller type is not behaviour or pace symbolic but the different controller types sometimes don’t much especially with different cameras, the contact isn’t seen or felt the same way, the car movement isn’t seen the same way. It makes things more complex to manage.

 

[SeleneX]

The problem is that they skew your race. And that’s not fair.

In my races they do it to manipulate points in your races it’s mostly ego, but honestly and no offence I don’t think you are getting really really fast seal clubber. It could happen but they usually don’t drop more than a level because the pace differential is huge.

I agree controller type is not behaviour or pace symbolic but the different controller types sometimes don’t much especially with different cameras, the contact isn’t seen or felt the same way, the car movement isn’t seen the same way. It makes things more complex to manage.

There were two guys doing high 1:16 in GT3 league. If that's not "seal clubber" type speed, I don't know what is.

It's not new either, it's been happening since GT Sport, people in this community just love to stay delusional & pretend everything is above board.

 

[Met Entso]

There were two guys doing high 1:16 in GT3 league. If that's not "seal clubber" type speed, I don't know what is.

It's not new either, it's been happening since GT Sport, people in this community just love to stay delusional & pretend everything is above board.

1:16 in qualify? That is top alien level.

 

[newmedia_dev]

There were two guys doing high 1:16 in GT3 league. If that's not "seal clubber" type speed, I don't know what is.

It's not new either, it's been happening since GT Sport, people in this community just love to stay delusional & pretend everything is above board.

No not at all, I’m not delusional but let’s be rational here…

Other than for a laugh what material purpose does dropping that low in lobby points serve?

You could finish 11th and make nearly double the points in the upper split lobbies??

I think a lot of people off load accountability, the pace variance is soooo different now with the physics, the dr reset races recently in the Dailies, there is a bigger ecosystem going on than A+ drivers dropping to be to ruin or run from the back???

Edit: and by region there isn’t a lot of drivers that can run that pace in race and the ones that typically can are tour/ex tour or on the cusp and to do that on GT3 lobbies would just be odd because the unpredictability would be costly, I can sort of see it in GT2 where it’s a more consistent pace forum but GT3. Doesn’t make sense

 

[RACECAR]

Video of my adventure:



Started 12th, finished 13th. Lap 1 was classic Constantine effect in the esses so no real malicious intent. Otherwise, solid race for me considering I had zero practice.

And since this was the race that completed my daily workout all by itself (22 laps around Road Atlanta = 60 or so miles), got a 6 star ticket and this was in it:

 

[McDaanish]

Hi Everyone, I just want to say that it's really cool reading these race reports. I myself am getting back into some GT action after many years away. I started GT7 just last month and was doing the beginner collector and license test stuff until I saw the manufacturer's cup starting this week so I gave it a try last night and had a blast.

This was literally my second online racing experience with the game and it was quite an adventure. I wasn't familiar with Road Atlanta at all so I bronzed the circuit experience and took to free practice with the 296 GT3 sponsor car. I then qualified 8th not realizing I was on mediums. Are we allowed to pick tires before qualifying or should I have dashed into the pits?

I decided to start on softs and try not to crash the first few laps but I did lol. Pretty bad in fact, dead on into the barrier after turn 1. I've now got the nerves out and managed to exit the gravel before the person who I followed into the barrier. I work my way up to 8th again and pit for medium tires around lap 12. I did manage to set the fastest lap of the race on softs which was encouraging. I end up finishing 4th or 5th and 50 some odd seconds off the lead but then I see in the post race screen that everyone in front of me got a 2 minute penalty, I can only assume it was for not using both tire compounds? All in all a great learning experience and I wish I saved some replay footage or screen captures but it was all an adrenaline blurred rush.

Any feedback or advice is greatly appreciated!

 

[Norbsthebald]

Hi Everyone, I just want to say that it's really cool reading these race reports. I myself am getting back into some GT action after many years away. I started GT7 just last month and was doing the beginner collector and license test stuff until I saw the manufacturer's cup starting this week so I gave it a try last night and had a blast.

This was literally my second online racing experience with the game and it was quite an adventure. I wasn't familiar with Road Atlanta at all so I bronzed the circuit experience and took to free practice with the 296 GT3 sponsor car. I then qualified 8th not realizing I was on mediums. Are we allowed to pick tires before qualifying or should I have dashed into the pits?

I decided to start on softs and try not to crash the first few laps but I did lol. Pretty bad in fact, dead on into the barrier after turn 1. I've now got the nerves out and managed to exit the gravel before the person who I followed into the barrier. I work my way up to 8th again and pit for medium tires around lap 12. I did manage to set the fastest lap of the race on softs which was encouraging. I end up finishing 4th or 5th and 50 some odd seconds off the lead but then I see in the post race screen that everyone in front of me got a 2 minute penalty, I can only assume it was for not using both tire compounds? All in all a great learning experience and I wish I saved some replay footage or screen captures but it was all an adrenaline blurred rush.

Any feedback or advice is greatly appreciated!

Yes, you can pick your tyres before qualifying or between qualifying and the race. Click the button which looks like a cog (or toothed wheel if you prefer) then "Car Settings", scroll down to the tyres for front and rear and change them.

You can only pick tyres you own though, as this series requires you to use a car from your own garage (the cars you got for signing up are in your garage, it's not like renting for a daily race). So you need to own all the tyres. I would highly recommend buying intermediate and wet tyres before Saturday's race (otherwise you could end up "doing a Rory" and pitting for rain tyres only to find that you haven't actually got any, and having to go back out onto a wet track on slick tyres).

EDIT: Yes, the reason everyone in front of you was penalised 2 minutes would be for not using both compounds, which would suggest they went RM-RM or RS- RS- RS. Also happened to a league mate of mine, so they weren't alone.

 

[Norbsthebald]

One extra factor to consider if Saturday's race goes according to the likely script and there's a choice in the final laps of whether to stick it out on IM or dash in for RS is that the pit time is really short for this race, it's almost straight in and out. I'd estimate pit time loss at only 15 seconds or so (when we had a similar situation at RBR last series, the pit time loss was much greater).

 

[Pakiti]

One extra factor to consider if Saturday's race goes according to the likely script and there's a choice in the final laps of whether to stick it out on IM or dash in for RS is that the pit time is really short for this race, it's almost straight in and out. I'd estimate pit time loss at only 15 seconds or so (when we had a similar situation at RBR last series, the pit time loss was much greater).

Yes, but it's also worth remembering that switching to RS tires on a drying track poses significant risks for overtaking. That's why I stayed on intermediate tires in the last race at RB. The video below shows simple math: how much faster will you be on RS tires? 2-3 seconds per lap? If your pit stop is 15 seconds, and there are 5 laps left in the race, you won't gain anything, you'll only increase the risk of going off the track. (These numbers are just off the top of my head; I haven't done any practice yet.)

 

[Blade_Rudder]

Yes, but it's also worth remembering that switching to RS tires on a drying track poses significant risks for overtaking. That's why I stayed on intermediate tires in the last race at RB. The video below shows simple math: how much faster will you be on RS tires? 2-3 seconds per lap? If your pit stop is 15 seconds, and there are 5 laps left in the race, you won't gain anything, you'll only increase the risk of going off the track. (These numbers are just off the top of my head; I haven't done any practice yet.)

With an x5 tyre wear multiplier IM tyres won’t last long on a drying track so you’ll probably end up pitting anyway. The RBR race you are comparing was only x3 multiplier

 

[Zorz]

Yes, but it's also worth remembering that switching to RS tires on a drying track poses significant risks for overtaking. That's why I stayed on intermediate tires in the last race at RB. The video below shows simple math: how much faster will you be on RS tires? 2-3 seconds per lap? If your pit stop is 15 seconds, and there are 5 laps left in the race, you won't gain anything, you'll only increase the risk of going off the track. (These numbers are just off the top of my head; I haven't done any practice yet.)

The Intermediates will not last. They really, really won't. It will be longer than 5 laps in dry conditions and the slicks wear quickly here at 5x - see my previous post. The Intermediates are going to burn out within a lap or two if you try staying out when the dry line appears.

The tyre wear has been set high to force a pit stop and get everyone funneling down the dry line. This used to be something they only really did to GT1 when they had different race lengths. GT1 frequently had extended races when weather was involved and it was rare for GT2/GT3 to be given the wet-to-dry transition. Now they're giving everyone the same treatment.

Think of this round as a survival test first and a race second. It will be difficult to make overtakes in the drying phase but you might not need to. Practice driving the dry line and try to get comfortable with it, then use that confidence to apply pressure in the race. Getting other people to make mistakes whilst you don't still gains you positions.

 

[VTEC Driver]

The Intermediates will not last. They really, really won't. It will be longer than 5 laps in dry conditions and the slicks wear quickly here at 5x - see my previous post. The Intermediates are going to burn out within a lap or two if you try staying out when the dry line appears.

The tyre wear has been set high to force a pit stop and get everyone funneling down the dry line. This used to be something they only really did to GT1 when they had different race lengths. GT1 frequently had extended races when weather was involved and it was rare for GT2/GT3 to be given the wet-to-dry transition. Now they're giving everyone the same treatment.

Think of this round as a survival test first and a race second. It will be difficult to make overtakes in the drying phase but you might not need to. Practice driving the dry line and try to get comfortable with it, then use that confidence to apply pressure in the race. Getting other people to make mistakes whilst you don't still gains you positions.

When the track start to be dry, be on Wet or on Inter make any difference in lasting time?
I mean, the Wet have more compound, deeper material, are those to be destroyed faster or slower compared to Inters?

 

[Zorz]

When the track start to be dry, be on Wet or on Inter make any difference in lasting time?
I mean, the Wet have more compound, deeper material, are those to be destroyed faster or slower compared to Inters?

I think the Wets will burn up even faster when it starts drying out. Pretty sure Wets experience additional wear if the moisture gauge isn't close to the second bar.

I reckon there's a trade-off.

1) Pick Inters for a (potentially) more difficult first half as the rain occasionally spikes into Wets territory, but get slightly more leeway on when to switch to slicks later.

2) Pick Wets for a safer first half but be pressured into switching to slicks sooner for the second half.

 

[Talon16]

Looks like the only question is which lap to pit and what tires to take. Per Zors's post above, the RS may not last... so if you're not good on tires RMs may be the way to go. Or, do you just tough it out one more lap with the IMs and grab the RS?

I have a league race tonight and a busy Saturday morning and afternoon so likely won't be able to test this at all. I do want to give it a shot though as we rarely (ever?) see this combo.

 

[Moose78]

I did some tire wear testing earlier in the week for this round at Dragon Trail, before I knew that we'd get scripted rain. I only tested the slicks in dry conditions (afternoon, S03), so it doesn't match the conditions for the drying track at all, but it might still be of use.

I tested the Aston Martin Vantage and Renault R.S.01, since those are the cars I'm competing in. On both, I could only get the RS tires to last 7 full laps before the front right completely died. On RMs, the Vantage lost the front right on lap 15 while the Renault made it to 15 with just a hair of tread left.

I didn't fully complete the tests. I managed to get two rounds of tests in for the Renault, but only one for Vantage, so you might notice that the lap times for the Vantage are a little noisier than the Renault.

Summary:

Manufacturer	Model	Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	RS	8​	1:34.060​	1:34.060​	1:35.505​	12:44.041​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	RM	15​	1:33.965​	1:33.965​	1:35.794​	23:56.916​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	RS	8​	1:33.474​	1:33.869​	1:35.419​	12:43.351​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	RM	15​	1:34.162​	1:34.400​	1:35.549​	23:53.240​

Lap times:

Tire tread levels at finish:

Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	RS	8​	35%​	0%​	35%​	20%​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	RM	15​	30%​	0%​	35%​	20%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	RS	8​	25%​	0%​	50%​	40%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	RM	15​	30%​	5%​	50%​	40%​

Cumulative lap times:

Laps	Vantage RS	Vantage RM	Renault RS	Renault RM
1​	1:35.452​	1:36.642​	1:36.691​	1:36.671​
2​	3:09.857​	3:11.665​	3:11.065​	3:11.166​
3​	4:44.020​	4:46.489​	4:45.125​	4:46.020​
4​	6:17.889​	6:21.919​	6:20.087​	6:19.985​
5​	7:53.123​	7:56.319​	7:55.341​	7:55.236​
6​	9:28.597​	9:31.120​	9:30.902​	9:29.903​
7​	11:04.523​	11:06.215​	11:07.066​	11:04.868​
8​	12:43.351​	12:41.551​	12:44.041​	12:39.670​

According to these results, the RSs are the better choice for 7 laps or less in the Vantage and 3 laps or less in the Renault. I'm not sure how much I would trust these numbers for tomorrow's race, though, especially for the Vantage, since it only had the single round of testing. If the IMs die with more than 5 laps left to go, I think I'll just go with RMs to be safe.

 

[Pakiti]

I have to agree with @Blade_Rudder and @Zorz , I didn't take into account the fivefold wear. Even with the search for wetter lines, it will be extremely difficult to maintain the intermediate tires.
Due to the track's specifics, with the first high-speed corner and a sequence of turns 9-12, I'll still choose the safer wet tires at the start, switching to intermediates and finishing on the RS (although I'll have to see how long they last; I might have to go with RM).

 

[Uday9479]

As we all must've seen in the lobby, there are many hosts creating similar styled Dragon Trail races where it's practice - qualify - race.

I took part in one such race. What makes the entire experience & oncoming event so much fun is having to race in changing weather conditions. To be able to read or gamble the conditions just right can be a big factor in getting a good result.

Tomorrow will take part in a few such races for getting more practice & getting familiar with weather change in Gr.3 machinery.

 

[Uday9479]

This is a very handy lap guide + race guide for tomorrow's Manu event at Dragon Trail by Calster. He has given suggestions & references for both dry & wet weather runs for tomorrow's race. He's driving the BRZ but the references will be somewhat similar depending on our personal car choices. Take a look.

P.S. - I've informed him already about sharing his video here. It's not that he told me to share but I wanted to. I love his detailed view in giving references & his feedback is crucial as he's a top rated driver amongst us. I saw the entire video before deciding it to share with You guys as at the end, we are part of the same racing community.

 

[BGreenFace]

Did a test run in free practice and here are my thoughts
Laps 1-2 rain high for inters
Laps 3-5 pause drying a little
Laps 6-9 rain resumed
Laps 10-20 rain stopped and drying conditions
Laps 16-20 only then for slicks

Now of course being 16 cars on the grid the track will dry faster so I don’t think the inters no stop will be viable. Also since there is a dry patch at the start the wets will have a hard time getting to the slick unless you are some kind of wizard/tire whisperer. If you do start on wets to have the edge during the heavier rain you will likely need to change for RM to get to the end.
The best strategy I think will be to start on Inters and try to hold on and then change to soft when the track is very much dry. Just make sure you can get to the end on this compound…

 

[KAlex122]

Hope I'll hear more tomorrow from the earlybirds. I don't have time to test, the Jag isn't great on tires and I'll try to go the safe route. Problem: i don't yet know what a safe route could be.

This time I'll at least go default ABS as the Jag shreds tires on weak ABS even more.

 

[FlapJackFlash]

Has anyone managed to duplicate the weather from free practice in a custom race / lobby? I've tried R05 on 2x speed and it starts off with a bit of rain, then dries incredibly quickly with no further rain. Or do I just need to keep restarting until the patterns match?